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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 12, 2020 10:45:07 GMT
Simple question.
Medicinal benefits from CBD oil and arguably less dangerous to the body than alcohol abuse but equally open to abuse in a similar way to alcohol.
Legalising could rid the world of weed dealers (mostly young, school kids) but alternatively could move them on to higher class substances, potentially creating a worse problem.
Tricky one.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 12, 2020 11:04:52 GMT
I've always believed all drugs should be legal. They should be discouraged and the dangers of taking them should be made clear, but how, really, can the state ban anyone from growing a plant and ingesting it?
Plus the underground nature of drugs spawns all sorts of other crime and human rights violations around the world. Curtis Warren was once in the UK Rich List top 100. Everybody knows exactly how he's made that money, so clearly criminalising drugs is not working.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 12, 2020 11:17:34 GMT
CBD oil is legal as it does not contain the narcotic element of cannabis my missus takes it and its very good. As for legalising cannabis that is an extremely tricky one there is no doubting it has good medical values in helping people with illnesses such as MS. I'm not sure legalising would end the illegal weed farms as it would be strictly controlled and not available "over the counter". I think making it readily available would make it more likely for people to move on to the harder drugs having tried "the soft drug" its very much a fine line between the benefits and the downside.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 11:20:32 GMT
Curtis Warren his life story is a really good read. Cocky watchman. I think it's called. Went to school with Mr vaughn snr. Also claimed to be owner of barrow and Chester. Apparently never used drugs himself.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jul 12, 2020 14:13:13 GMT
The criminalisation of cannabis at this point is almost totally pointless. All it really serves to do is ruin the life chances of largely poor and black kids. It has effectively always been legal if you are white or middle-class. I suspect most of the people on this site have done cannabis during their lifetime. I suspect hardly any of them have been arrested or charged for doing so.
The whole debate is embarrassingly paternalistic, especially for a government that is apparently in favour of small government and individual liberties. Just a few years ago they tried to put poppers into the Psychoactive Substances Act alongside other, at the time 'legal highs', such as nitrous oxide (often referred to as balloons).
Nitrous oxide for example is almost totally harmless as long as you don't inhale so much that you forget to breathe actual oxygen. Its given in hospitals to pregnant women. You can buy the canisters on eBay because they're used for catering purposes. I've got some in my cupboard (I'll let you guess whether that's for catering or not). Criminalising stuff like this just allows heavy handed police forces to weaponize their use against certain sections of the public in order to destroy their life chances. And of course funnels the revenue from such dealings often into the hands of hardened criminals. Its a lose-lose spiral.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 23, 2020 13:02:25 GMT
A week or so ago there was an incident on my road that saw police cars turn up at about 3am, loud phone conversations between officers, and all kinds of arguing and protesting in the streets. It turned out that it was all because a few teenagers had been smoking pot in their home and a neighbour thought it necessary to call the police.
It's nonsense really. People smoking cannabis in the privacy of their own home has no impact on me whatsoever, but that sort of police commotion in the middle of the night certainly does, and meant I got no sleep!
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 23, 2020 16:21:06 GMT
Reminds me of the Family Guy skit -
Peter, Brian, Cleveland and Joe become annoyed when Quagmire starts spending more time with his new cat James than with them. While Quagmire is out, the guys plan to shave James as a prank, but it backfires when Peter accidentally kills the cat with a razor. Peter and Brian go to hide its body with the intent of telling Quagmire it ran away. They are pulled over by the police and it goes...
“So what have we got here partner?”
“Empty alcohol containers, the driver is inebriated and covered in blood, he’s got scratches on his face and arms, there’s a blood-soaked corpse on the backseat and a map entitled ‘This is where we’ll hide the body’”
“Well that all seems fine, sorry to bother you sir.”
*Small bag of weed falls out of Brian’s pocket*
“POT! SMALL AMOUNT OF POT! YOU’RE UNDER ARREST DIRTBAG!” and he’s dragged out the car at gun point etc etc etc.
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Post by mabinogion on Sept 22, 2020 16:34:23 GMT
THC contains many of the medicicinal compounds & should be legalised, CBD doesn’t, it’s a very poor substitute. CBD oil is a cop out. This way the Daily Mail readers wont spill their morning sherry in disgust! Oh, the Irony of Alchol!
We’re making a plant illegal. I don’t know, but you know what, it’s sounds well............ a bit unnatural. You know what I mean?
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Post by ivawhopper on Oct 20, 2020 21:30:56 GMT
The criminalisation of cannabis at this point is almost totally pointless. All it really serves to do is ruin the life chances of largely poor and black kids. It has effectively always been legal if you are white or middle-class. I suspect most of the people on this site have done cannabis during their lifetime. I suspect hardly any of them have been arrested or charged for doing so. The whole debate is embarrassingly paternalistic, especially for a government that is apparently in favour of small government and individual liberties. Just a few years ago they tried to put poppers into the Psychoactive Substances Act alongside other, at the time 'legal highs', such as nitrous oxide (often referred to as balloons). Nitrous oxide for example is almost totally harmless as long as you don't inhale so much that you forget to breathe actual oxygen. Its given in hospitals to pregnant women. You can buy the canisters on eBay because they're used for catering purposes. I've got some in my cupboard (I'll let you guess whether that's for catering or not). Criminalising stuff like this just allows heavy handed police forces to weaponize their use against certain sections of the public in order to destroy their life chances. And of course funnels the revenue from such dealings often into the hands of hardened criminals. Its a lose-lose spiral. I agree that criminalisation at this stage doesn’t work, but can’t support your argument about nitrous oxide being totally harmless except ... Using that rationale, heroin is almost totally safe if taken at the correct dose for pain relief, as is cocaine. I wouldn’t for a second condone legalising these for recreational use however! |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 21, 2020 10:00:33 GMT
The criminalisation of cannabis at this point is almost totally pointless. All it really serves to do is ruin the life chances of largely poor and black kids. It has effectively always been legal if you are white or middle-class. I suspect most of the people on this site have done cannabis during their lifetime. I suspect hardly any of them have been arrested or charged for doing so. The whole debate is embarrassingly paternalistic, especially for a government that is apparently in favour of small government and individual liberties. Just a few years ago they tried to put poppers into the Psychoactive Substances Act alongside other, at the time 'legal highs', such as nitrous oxide (often referred to as balloons). Nitrous oxide for example is almost totally harmless as long as you don't inhale so much that you forget to breathe actual oxygen. Its given in hospitals to pregnant women. You can buy the canisters on eBay because they're used for catering purposes. I've got some in my cupboard (I'll let you guess whether that's for catering or not). Criminalising stuff like this just allows heavy handed police forces to weaponize their use against certain sections of the public in order to destroy their life chances. And of course funnels the revenue from such dealings often into the hands of hardened criminals. Its a lose-lose spiral. I agree that criminalisation at this stage doesn’t work, but can’t support your argument about nitrous oxide being totally harmless except ... Using that rationale, heroin is almost totally safe if taken at the correct dose for pain relief, as is cocaine. I wouldn’t for a second condone legalising these for recreational use however! But it's a balancing act, is it not? Alcohol and cigarettes are far, far more harmful than nitrous oxide and kill multitudes more people every year, yet both are legal. Pretty much every death recorded in this country linked to nitrous oxide (around 40 in as many years) has been because the person involved has inhaled so much consistently that they've forgotten to breathe in actual oxygen. That is a problem of misuse and is only exacerbated by criminalisation because it means this stuff is sold with no instructions for safe inhalation or use. My view is that criminalisation doesn't work in most cases. Take cocaine for example - the middle-class in London are snorting this stuff every weekend by the bucket load, who and what is stopping them? The law certainly isn't. |
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Post by archwhopper on Oct 24, 2020 18:31:41 GMT
After watching that shite today, a big fat yes
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Post by Gandalf on Oct 27, 2020 18:55:43 GMT
No surprise someone who goes by the name of Gandalf thinks it should be legalised. Im honestly stumped at how its not be legalised and taxed, the states are doing very well from it
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Post by waggoner on Nov 9, 2020 15:12:53 GMT
Simple question. Medicinal benefits from CBD oil and arguably less dangerous to the body than alcohol abuse but equally open to abuse in a similar way to alcohol. Legalising could rid the world of weed dealers (mostly young, school kids) but alternatively could move them on to higher class substances, potentially creating a worse problem. Tricky one. For medical use yes of course the benefits are there for all to see. Should super strength Skunk be legalised for stupid little kids to smoke? no way!! I work with people who have ended up with paranoia, chest complaints and serious mental health issues from smoking it. And for a drug that has a 'calming effect' it causes plenty of people to turn to violence because of the mental health issues it causes. You just try sending someone home from a building site for smoking it for a drug that calms them down they go absolutely batshit, screaming in your face and making threats. The amount of times you walk past a car and someone is smoking it (it stinks you can smell it a mile away) It is acceptable in their mind for some reason to put people at risk, whatever your opinion Cannabis is a mind altering drug, lowers reaction times and blurs eyesight (just like drink does) I had a conversation with someone i know who got out of his car with a joint in his hand just last week. I pointed out that it is drug driving and just as bad as drink driving. The reply was...it's nowhere near as bad as drinking and driving because ''i am a better drive when i have a spliff''. I then asked ''what would you say if you ordered a Taxi and you and your kids were in the Taxi and the driver just Cracked a few kestrel super and drank them'' Reply ''that's different that's illegal' This is the point. These youngsters think that just because it would be legal you could use it anywhere. HOWEVER it would STILL be illegal to smoke it behind the wheel or smoke it at work (H&S risks) Skunk is getting stronger and stronger and no way should it be legalised. But if the govt legalised Cannabis (and prescribed) it for pain relief, Child epilepsy and other reasons GREAT do it But the stuff grown in peoples attics sheds and out buildings should always be illegal because it has all sorts of the shit in it to make it addictive and saleable. So legalise it for medicinal benefits but don't legalise the street stuff because it's dangerous stuff for young kids |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 9, 2020 15:36:11 GMT
Simple question. Medicinal benefits from CBD oil and arguably less dangerous to the body than alcohol abuse but equally open to abuse in a similar way to alcohol. Legalising could rid the world of weed dealers (mostly young, school kids) but alternatively could move them on to higher class substances, potentially creating a worse problem. Tricky one. For medical use yes of course the benefits are there for all to see. Should super strength Skunk be legalised for stupid little kids to smoke? no way!! I work with people who have ended up with paranoia, chest complaints and serious mental health issues from smoking it. And for a drug that has a 'calming effect' it causes plenty of people to turn to violence because of the mental health issues it causes. You just try sending someone home from a building site for smoking it for a drug that calms them down they go absolutely batshit, screaming in your face and making threats. The amount of times you walk past a car and someone is smoking it (it stinks you can smell it a mile away) It is acceptable in their mind for some reason to put people at risk, whatever your opinion Cannabis is a mind altering drug, lowers reaction times and blurs eyesight (just like drink does) I had a conversation with someone i know who got out of his car with a joint in his hand just last week. I pointed out that it is drug driving and just as bad as drink driving. The reply was...it's nowhere near as bad as drinking and driving because ''i am a better drive when i have a spliff''. I then asked ''what would you say if you ordered a Taxi and you and your kids were in the Taxi and the driver just Cracked a few kestrel super and drank them'' Reply ''that's different that's illegal' This is the point. These youngsters think that just because it would be legal you could use it anywhere. HOWEVER it would STILL be illegal to smoke it behind the wheel or smoke it at work (H&S risks) Skunk is getting stronger and stronger and no way should it be legalised. But if the govt legalised Cannabis (and prescribed) it for pain relief, Child epilepsy and other reasons GREAT do it But the stuff grown in peoples attics sheds and out buildings should always be illegal because it has all sorts of the shit in it to make it addictive and saleable. So legalise it for medicinal benefits but don't legalise the street stuff because it's dangerous stuff for young kids Some reasonable points, but legalising it wouldn't mean anything goes. Alcohol and tobacco are legal but we still have laws about who can buy them, where they can use them and what they shouldn't do after using them.
You mention skunk, but I think that's only become common because of the illegality of the drug and no standards being applied. You could compare it to the 10% ABV special brews. They're legal, but most people don't buy them, they buy more moderate beers. You can bet that if alcohol was made illegal, "dealers" would start brewing their own stuff underground, putting god knows what in it and it would blow everyone's head off. It's safer that alcohol is sold by licenced vendors, with labels that tell you what's in it and how strong it is, and I think that's true of any drug personally.
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Post by waggoner on Nov 9, 2020 17:30:56 GMT
For medical use yes of course the benefits are there for all to see. Should super strength Skunk be legalised for stupid little kids to smoke? no way!! I work with people who have ended up with paranoia, chest complaints and serious mental health issues from smoking it. And for a drug that has a 'calming effect' it causes plenty of people to turn to violence because of the mental health issues it causes. You just try sending someone home from a building site for smoking it for a drug that calms them down they go absolutely batshit, screaming in your face and making threats. The amount of times you walk past a car and someone is smoking it (it stinks you can smell it a mile away) It is acceptable in their mind for some reason to put people at risk, whatever your opinion Cannabis is a mind altering drug, lowers reaction times and blurs eyesight (just like drink does) I had a conversation with someone i know who got out of his car with a joint in his hand just last week. I pointed out that it is drug driving and just as bad as drink driving. The reply was...it's nowhere near as bad as drinking and driving because ''i am a better drive when i have a spliff''. I then asked ''what would you say if you ordered a Taxi and you and your kids were in the Taxi and the driver just Cracked a few kestrel super and drank them'' Reply ''that's different that's illegal' This is the point. These youngsters think that just because it would be legal you could use it anywhere. HOWEVER it would STILL be illegal to smoke it behind the wheel or smoke it at work (H&S risks) Skunk is getting stronger and stronger and no way should it be legalised. But if the govt legalised Cannabis (and prescribed) it for pain relief, Child epilepsy and other reasons GREAT do it But the stuff grown in peoples attics sheds and out buildings should always be illegal because it has all sorts of the shit in it to make it addictive and saleable. So legalise it for medicinal benefits but don't legalise the street stuff because it's dangerous stuff for young kids Some reasonable points, but legalising it wouldn't mean anything goes. Alcohol and tobacco are legal but we still have laws about who can buy them, where they can use them and what they shouldn't do after using them.
You mention skunk, but I think that's only become common because of the illegality of the drug and no standards being applied. You could compare it to the 10% ABV special brews. They're legal, but most people don't buy them, they buy more moderate beers. You can bet that if alcohol was made illegal, "dealers" would start brewing their own stuff underground, putting god knows what in it and it would blow everyone's head off. It's safer that alcohol is sold by licenced vendors, with labels that tell you what's in it and how strong it is, and I think that's true of any drug personally.
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Post by waggoner on Nov 9, 2020 17:32:28 GMT
yes Lobster. What you said really but unlike me you got your point across in a concise way
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