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Post by Churton Blue on Aug 22, 2020 11:23:38 GMT
After many years of no live coverage on free to view TV cricket in the UK is in a terrible state.
One to six of the England batting line up yesterday in the Third Test all went to public school.
Ordinary kids no longer have any exposure to the game and as a result you get the situation that arose yesterday.
In my opinion it also says something very sad about the state of the country as well.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 22, 2020 11:34:17 GMT
After many years of no live coverage on free to view TV cricket in the UK is in a terrible state.One to six of the England batting line up yesterday in the Third Test all went to public school. Ordinary kids no longer have any exposure to the game and as a result you get the situation that arose yesterday. In my opinion it also says something very sad about the state of the country as well. ICC current rankings Test team Ranked 4th ODI team Ranked 1 also current World Champions T20 team Ranked 2nd Hardly in a terrible state
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 22, 2020 11:42:54 GMT
After many years of no live coverage on free to view TV cricket in the UK is in a terrible state.One to six of the England batting line up yesterday in the Third Test all went to public school. Ordinary kids no longer have any exposure to the game and as a result you get the situation that arose yesterday. In my opinion it also says something very sad about the state of the country as well. ICC current rankings Test team Ranked 4th ODI team Ranked 1 also current World Champions T20 team Ranked 2nd Hardly in a terrible state Quite clearly the post wasn’t about the performance of the England and Wales national team, but the state of the game in this country as a whole.
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Post by Churton Blue on Aug 22, 2020 11:47:39 GMT
After many years of no live coverage on free to view TV cricket in the UK is in a terrible state.One to six of the England batting line up yesterday in the Third Test all went to public school. Ordinary kids no longer have any exposure to the game and as a result you get the situation that arose yesterday. In my opinion it also says something very sad about the state of the country as well. ICC current rankings Test team Ranked 4th ODI team Ranked 1 also current World Champions T20 team Ranked 2nd Hardly in a terrible state I am talking about the game as a whole hence English Cricket not the England team. At grassroots level in many parts of the country the game is dying on its feet with clubs and teams folding. Only in the public schools is the game thriving. If you do not attend one your chances of becoming a batsman for England are worse now than they were 80 years ago.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 22, 2020 11:52:53 GMT
This piece from The New Statesman last year covers the contributing factors of this issue in detail, and nothing has changed in the last 12 months.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 22, 2020 12:30:29 GMT
The problem is cricket is not popular in state schools I dont know why maybe its because the main season is during exam time and school holidays and the length of time it takes to play a game even a 20 over game. IIRC when I was at EPort Grammar we played cricket but school matches were mainly against Chester Schools as not many secondary modern schools in the Port at the time had cricket teams. The game has been synonymous with private education for many years and the old school tie has been a bone of contention over the years and is the main reason why the likes of Botham and Boycott have never been elected onto the ruling committees as they were very outspoken about the issue. As for grassroots cricket I dont think cricket is any different to a lot of sports with clubs folding as funding has been drying up for years. I always enjoyed my cricketing days not that I was any good but there were plenty of clubs around to play for, unfortunatley as you say this is on the decrease and a lot of cricket pitches have disappeared many under houses.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 22, 2020 12:32:24 GMT
This piece from The New Statesman last year covers the contributing factors of this issue in detail, and nothing has changed in the last 12 months. Cant argue with that article its one I fully agree with but as with football sky money talks
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Post by Lobster on Aug 23, 2020 10:28:16 GMT
I went to a grammar school (I'm not from a particularly affluent family, I just grew up somewhere where they still do the 11+). At my school, the emphasis was on cricket, rugby and hockey. Football was not part of the curriculum. I've always thought that should not be allowed, frankly, when it's the national sport. It seems like trying to teach English without doing Shakespeare. The beauty of football is anyone can play it, rich or poor, tall or short, fat or thin, boy or girl, young or old. You can play it on the lawn of a mansion or against a wall in a council estate.
Anyway, this insistance on nurturing more exclusive sports caters to, in my opinion, only a small number of pupils, and they're mostly the kind of kids I didn't like - loud, macho, popular, often bullies. It's not unlike the nerds vs. jocks thing you often see in American films, except I think the difference between Britain and America is that over here, the in-betweeners tend to side with the nerd. The result is that even within grammar and I imagine public schools, most kids are turned off these sports and will just play and talk about football in their own circles. It creates elitism within elitism, in a way.
I have basically grown up to dislike both cricket and rugby because of my secondary education. As a young child, I liked all sports, but as I got older I began to feel like my face didn't fit in certain sports and football, even though I've always been a hopeless player, was the only sport I could enjoy. It's a shame because there's nothing inherently dislikable about those sports, although I do find cricket very slow! I sense that historically there used to be more of a crossover with football and cricket, with one seen as the winter sport and the other the summer sport, and many players playing both, but over time they've branched apart and formed their own demographics. And I think the blame for that has to be put down to education and the class system.
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Post by ivawhopper on Aug 26, 2020 21:48:42 GMT
Bit of a game for wimps Cricket Isn’t it.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 26, 2020 22:27:19 GMT
Bit of a game for wimps Cricket Isn’t it. Facing a rock hard leather ball being thrown at you at 90mph from 22 yards?
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 27, 2020 8:31:46 GMT
Bit of a game for wimps Cricket Isn’t it. Facing a rock hard leather ball being thrown at you at 90mph from 22 yards? I wouldnt call the likes of Ben Stokes Ian Botham etc wimps. Compared to footballers who fall over and squeal in agony at the slightest thing cricketers can get hit in the crown jewels in the ribs or anywhere else and hardly flinch and carry on
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Post by Alexander Lukashenko on Aug 27, 2020 9:05:52 GMT
I went to a grammar school (I'm not from a particularly affluent family, I just grew up somewhere where they still do the 11+). At my school, the emphasis was on cricket, rugby and hockey. Football was not part of the curriculum. I've always thought that should not be allowed, frankly, when it's the national sport. It seems like trying to teach English without doing Shakespeare. The beauty of football is anyone can play it, rich or poor, tall or short, fat or thin, boy or girl, young or old. You can play it on the lawn of a mansion or against a wall in a council estate. Anyway, this insistance on nurturing more exclusive sports caters to, in my opinion, only a small number of pupils, and they're mostly the kind of kids I didn't like - loud, macho, popular, often bullies. It's not unlike the nerds vs. jocks thing you often see in American films, except I think the difference between Britain and America is that over here, the in-betweeners tend to side with the nerd. The result is that even within grammar and I imagine public schools, most kids are turned off these sports and will just play and talk about football in their own circles. It creates elitism within elitism, in a way. I have basically grown up to dislike both cricket and rugby because of my secondary education. As a young child, I liked all sports, but as I got older I began to feel like my face didn't fit in certain sports and football, even though I've always been a hopeless player, was the only sport I could enjoy. It's a shame because there's nothing inherently dislikable about those sports, although I do find cricket very slow! I sense that historically there used to be more of a crossover with football and cricket, with one seen as the winter sport and the other the summer sport, and many players playing both, but over time they've branched apart and formed their own demographics. And I think the blame for that has to be put down to education and the class system. Get some counseling.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 27, 2020 9:25:36 GMT
I went to a grammar school (I'm not from a particularly affluent family, I just grew up somewhere where they still do the 11+). At my school, the emphasis was on cricket, rugby and hockey. Football was not part of the curriculum. I've always thought that should not be allowed, frankly, when it's the national sport. It seems like trying to teach English without doing Shakespeare. The beauty of football is anyone can play it, rich or poor, tall or short, fat or thin, boy or girl, young or old. You can play it on the lawn of a mansion or against a wall in a council estate. Anyway, this insistance on nurturing more exclusive sports caters to, in my opinion, only a small number of pupils, and they're mostly the kind of kids I didn't like - loud, macho, popular, often bullies. It's not unlike the nerds vs. jocks thing you often see in American films, except I think the difference between Britain and America is that over here, the in-betweeners tend to side with the nerd. The result is that even within grammar and I imagine public schools, most kids are turned off these sports and will just play and talk about football in their own circles. It creates elitism within elitism, in a way. I have basically grown up to dislike both cricket and rugby because of my secondary education. As a young child, I liked all sports, but as I got older I began to feel like my face didn't fit in certain sports and football, even though I've always been a hopeless player, was the only sport I could enjoy. It's a shame because there's nothing inherently dislikable about those sports, although I do find cricket very slow! I sense that historically there used to be more of a crossover with football and cricket, with one seen as the winter sport and the other the summer sport, and many players playing both, but over time they've branched apart and formed their own demographics. And I think the blame for that has to be put down to education and the class system. Get some counseling. I'm just about coping, although the other day I saw an egg and it triggered rugby-related anxiety.
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Post by ivawhopper on Aug 28, 2020 18:26:56 GMT
Bit of a game for wimps Cricket Isn’t it. Facing a rock hard leather ball being thrown at you at 90mph from 22 yards? Better than a hairy sweaty fat bummed man coming at me to be honest.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 28, 2020 20:47:53 GMT
Facing a rock hard leather ball being thrown at you at 90mph from 22 yards? Better than a hairy sweaty fat bummed man coming at me to be honest. Sounds like you speak from experience.
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Post by ivawhopper on Aug 28, 2020 21:10:11 GMT
Better than a hairy sweaty fat bummed man coming at me to be honest. Sounds like you speak from experience. Played a small amount of rugby union in my time in the scrum, so sadly yes 😂😂
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Post by scotty on Sept 1, 2020 13:37:10 GMT
After many years of no live coverage on free to view TV cricket in the UK is in a terrible state. One to six of the England batting line up yesterday in the Third Test all went to public school. Ordinary kids no longer have any exposure to the game and as a result you get the situation that arose yesterday. In my opinion it also says something very sad about the state of the country as well. Not sure about this. Free to view TV football in the UK is rare - most kids won't be up for MOTD at 10:30 - yet there is no shortage of 'ordinary kids (and by this I think you mean 'attend non-fee-paying school) playing. Almost the entire England football team went to state schools, the only current exception being Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and before him we're all the way back to Frank Lampard. One could argue that privately-educated children are very much under-represented in English football! And also, who says that cricket is in a terrible state? Getting tickets to an international game is like pulling teeth. It's a lot easier to get tickets to an England football match. I think it boils down to the teachers and what they prefer. When I went to Mount Carmel we had a teacher there who put on cricket instead of football in the summer. I can't recall a single parent or pupil objecting. Let's encourage the PE teachers to put on cricket instead of football at state schools and then you'll see wider representation.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Sept 4, 2020 10:53:19 GMT
Bit of a game for wimps Cricket Isn’t it. Facing a rock hard leather ball being thrown at you at 90mph from 22 yards? Its actually less than that. 22 yards is wicket to wicket, if you consider the bowler releases on the popping crease and the batsman usually stands just on that or outside of it, its more like 18 yards!! With the quicker bowlers, batsman usually have just under half a second to react!!
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