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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 18, 2020 9:39:43 GMT
The so- called Government has announced a ban on the sale of Petrol and Diesel cars from 2030, to meet zero emmissions by 2050. Is it a worthwhile aim?, Yes. Is it remotely feasible? No Anyone would think that the Tories were intentionally trying to damage UK induatry The car industry faced with Covid, and Brexit It is already going to struggle with tariffs etc. It now faces a situatiion where people maybe highly reluctant to buy a new car ,if it is going to be worthless, in 8 yera time, at the drop of a Ministers pen In the midst of a globial pandemic, this could send the car industry, into a tailspin . Unless, there is a billion pound investment programme to install the necessary infrastructure a decent scrapage scheme, a massive reduction, in the cost of electric cars, which stands at over£20k and more efficient electric cars, then like so much more from this incompetent government, it will remain just ' pie in the sky'. I dont fancy fighting over the 2 electric charging points, in Morrisons lol
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Post by Lobster on Nov 18, 2020 9:59:52 GMT
I think it's basically a laudible aim at the wrong time, and amid the backdrop of the other catastrophes of the Tory party's own making going on, it does seem like just another obstacle.
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Post by delamereal on Nov 18, 2020 15:04:56 GMT
The so- called Government has announced a ban on the sale of Petrol and Diesel cars from 2030, to meet zero emmissions by 2050. Is it a worthwhile aim?, Yes. Is it remotely feasible? No Anyone would think that the Tories were intentionally trying to damage UK induatry The car industry faced with Covid, and Brexit It is already going to struggle with tariffs etc. It now faces a situatiion where people maybe highly reluctant to buy a new car ,if it is going to be worthless, in 8 yera time, at the drop of a Ministers pen In the midst of a globial pandemic, this could send the car industry, into a tailspin . Unless, there is a billion pound investment programme to install the necessary infrastructure a decent scrapage scheme, a massive reduction, in the cost of electric cars, which stands at over£20k and more efficient electric cars, then like so much more from this incompetent government, it will remain just ' pie in the sky'. I dont fancy fighting over the 2 electric charging points, in Morrisons lol Apologies if wrong but I thought it was a ban on new car sales. Cars already built will still be OK. |
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Post by lincolnexile on Nov 18, 2020 15:16:41 GMT
You also need to consider how they are going to produce all the electricity needed to power these electric cars? Wind turbines are not efficient enough and it would take approx. 600 turbines to replace one gas fired power station. solar farms take up massive areas of land and don't produce anything at night and very little during the Winter months and Bio plants just don't work, because the technology hasn't been developed sufficiently, although many firms are making a killing from government grant money for building these plants that either don't work or produce next to no power. In short the green options just don't produce enough energy. So your left with two options, you either produce the electricity using fossil fuelled power stations, which defeats the object, or you build additional nuclear plants, which everybody objects to.
It's okay the government saying they want everyone to be driving electric cars by 2030 but it's bollocks, it's just saying what the public want to here without actually thinking how it's going to be achieved or the consequences of it's implementation.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 18, 2020 19:16:58 GMT
You also need to consider how they are going to produce all the electricity needed to power these electric cars? Wind turbines are not efficient enough and it would take approx. 600 turbines to replace one gas fired power station. solar farms take up massive areas of land and don't produce anything at night and very little during the Winter months and Bio plants just don't work, because the technology hasn't been developed sufficiently, although many firms are making a killing from government grant money for building these plants that either don't work or produce next to no power. In short the green options just don't produce enough energy. So your left with two options, you either produce the electricity using fossil fuelled power stations, which defeats the object, or you build additional nuclear plants, which everybody objects to. It's okay the government saying they want everyone to be driving electric cars by 2030 but it's bollocks, it's just saying what the public want to here without actually thinking how it's going to be achieved or the consequences of it's implementation. Looks like its more nuclear and small scale nuclear (which hasnt been developed yet). |
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Post by Mean Machine on Nov 19, 2020 22:23:42 GMT
I think it's basically a laudible aim at the wrong time, and amid the backdrop of the other catastrophes of the Tory party's own making going on, it does seem like just another obstacle. With the welsh [labour] government declaring a climate emergency, and a growing concern over climate change, [see the thread on extinction rebellion elsewhere on this forum ] could you explain why you think this laudible aim is at the wrong time, and what would be the right time to take action, or indeed should no action be taken Also you say it seems like another obstacle Obstacle to what exactly ? I am not looking for an arguement i just dont understand the point you are trying to make |
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Post by Mean Machine on Nov 19, 2020 23:17:09 GMT
Just a few point from someone in the motor trade
Worthwhile aim, yes
Electric vehicles too expensive, yes, eye wateringly so, Renault zoe £27000 VW iD3 Launch price around £38000
Problems around how to generate and supply required voltage in an environmentaly friendly way, eg 2 mile long solar energy farm given planning approval on prime wildlife habitat of Graveny marshes causing more harm than good
On the plus side though, running costs will be much lower for electric vehicles, up to 70% less moving parts, oil and filter change every 12 months? err, that will be a no then
Current models offer a range of 200 to 250 miles on a full charge so unless you local Morrisons is over 100 miles away no need to charge the car at the local supermarket
As technology developes range will extend, take formula E for example, when it first appeared drivers needed to change cars mid race as the battery wouldnt last the full race
Not the case any more, batteries will power the car for the full race distance
As more cars hit the road and demand increases so more charging points will be installed to meet that demand
All major manufacturers have electric vehicles available and sitting on forecourts right now
But best of all, I have driven some, they are brilliant, the 208 and 2008 with the i cockpit and 8 colour mood lighting is simply stunning, and i bet the VW and Audis are just as good
If this is the future bring it on, I for one cant wait
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Post by thedarkorder on Nov 20, 2020 17:29:04 GMT
Not personally effected as I don't drive, but, can't see this being a good thing for future generations. As a poster pointed out, just probably the wrong time to announce it.
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