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Post by sir henry on Apr 18, 2017 9:58:46 GMT
I often wonder how the manager fills his day, when the players are only at the stadium for a couple of mornings a week. Perhaps like a Vicar he is preparing his sermon for the post match press meeting or maybe he is devising a new cunning plan to defeat the next opposition ( which clearly isn't working)
I have seen many of our managers in action - some good, some bad.
Ken Roberts for instance spent a huge amount of time watching other teams play, if there was a game on somewhere- he was there and he was able to express his own opinion on most players.
It is easy to feel busy whilst achieving nothing
Could this be the case at Chester?
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Post by chesterken on Apr 18, 2017 10:35:36 GMT
I often wonder how the manager fills his day, when the players are only at the stadium for a couple of mornings a week. Perhaps like a Vicar he is preparing his sermon for the post match press meeting or maybe he is devising a new cunning plan to defeat the next opposition ( which clearly isn't working) I have seen many of our managers in action - some good, some bad. Ken Roberts for instance spent a huge amount of time watching other teams play, if there was a game on somewhere- he was there and he was able to express his own opinion on most players. It is easy to feel busy whilst achieving nothing Could this be the case at Chester? The problem is he over analysis the teams I think it would be hard for a top level full time pro team to chop and change formation and personal for every game never mind a part time outfit, I think if we drew Vickers Cross u13 in the fa cup he would make changes because they have a very quick 12 year old up front😀, pick your best team and play them in there best positions in a formations they understand. |
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Post by only me on Apr 18, 2017 10:58:08 GMT
Spot on. Football is a simple game (especially at our level), and I do agree that coaches over think things and make more problems for themselves than they solve. Simple rule should be... Start with a decent keeper, be well organized and solid at the back and then let your best (most creative players) have the ball as often as possible. Given that most teams in our league have players of a similar standard, it's the teams that manage to get their best players on the ball the most, that usually win!
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 18, 2017 11:53:15 GMT
I assume that he watches hours upon hours of DVD's, analysing our performance and that of other teams. His trouble is that this doesn't then translate into anything tangible on the pitch.
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Post by Al on Apr 18, 2017 12:16:05 GMT
Bit unfair lads, a lot of it will be picking through the performance against Woking, looking at the opposition for the next game, planning the training sessions for the forthcoming week, working with the coaching staff etc.
Then there's the other side of it that he gets involved in with as well. I believe he takes a great interest in the youth teams, attending the coaching sessions and games, getting actively involved through that. And he should be applauded for that by the way.
Things are shit on the field yes, but don't start throwing shit at the bloke for what he does off the field away from the games. Ok tactically he's not getting it right on the field, but as I've said on other threads, he's hardly being assisted by the most committed of people is he?
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Post by border collie on Apr 18, 2017 12:21:39 GMT
I get the impression that Iwelumo is just waiting for him to get the sack
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Post by Lobster on Apr 18, 2017 12:33:38 GMT
I'm not going to slag McCarthy off for the amount of preparation he puts into games. I admire his earnesty and commitment to the role and all the best managers treat it as a 24/7 role. Remember when Ian Rush seemed to be spending more time attending functions at Anfield than he did managing us? One of several reasons why he was never likely to make it as a manager.
From what I've seen, I don't really think we've been badly set up in games, although his team selections and reluctance to play the back four that statistically works continues to frustrate and confuse. It's more a mentality thing that's holding us back at the moment I think. He needs to demand a little more from himself, his staff and his players.
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Post by Al on Apr 18, 2017 12:41:45 GMT
He needs an assistant that is available to work with him at the ground, on the training pitch, and on match days consistently, and who communicates with him during those games. Not being stood 10/15 yards away from his manager when the going gets tough and not saying 2 words to him. If things are going wrong he should be saying to the gaffer and making suggestions on how to change it. It's called communication, collaborating ideas and finding a solution to the fucking obvious problems we've got on the field.
I feel for Jon, like I say I like the bloke, he's a nice guy, but he needs to wake up and smell the coffee that certain players and certain people who should be working with him and offering him support and advice are badly letting him down - as well as Jon's own obvious mistakes (which he admitted in the Post-Woking interview). it will eventually cost the man his job, and us a shit load of money that would be better spent elsewhere.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 18, 2017 15:42:59 GMT
This is what I think he does. On a Monday he and the players analyse the previous game then put into practise improvements. Also I believe they do bonding with the Youth team on a Monday. Monday night/Tuesday he starts watching videos of the upcoming opposition then starts to give players minor details along with the coaching team. If the opposition play on a Tuesday night he might want to go down and watch them (last season he travelled all the way down to Woking to watch Grimsby and we guaranteed survival by beating Grimsby away on the Saturday.) Wednesday we don't train so it's a good chance to take in more detail to deliver to the players on Thursday. Thursday the players might watch clips and practise in training. Friday Macca will start thinking about what team and formation he will put out and watch MORE matches of the opposition whilst doing a press conference. We also don't train on a Friday.
Phew!
I actually feel sorry for JM because I know how much he puts in but it hasn't payed off much this year. He may put in silly excuses when talking to Neil Turner but he certainly doesn't lack effort and preparation.
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Post by ted the count on Apr 18, 2017 16:26:35 GMT
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Post by btb on Apr 18, 2017 16:39:39 GMT
He's a grafter, there's no doubt about that. He's often first in last out, as it should be. If we'd got to 52 points with consistent results through the season I think the majority of us would have been ok with that. It's the nature of the season though. Great, by our standards first half of the season and absolutely disgraceful second half of the season. And more worrying is that Jon seemingly doesn't see it that way!
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Post by reality check on Apr 18, 2017 18:07:24 GMT
He's a grafter, there's no doubt about that. He's often first in last out, as it should be. If we'd got to 52 points with consistent results through the season I think the majority of us would have been ok with that. It's the nature of the season though. Great, by our standards first half of the season and absolutely disgraceful second half of the season. And more worrying is that Jon seemingly doesn't see it that way! Say what you like about JM. But stats don't lie. Before Sharpes left this season P 15...W7..D3..L5.......8 Home games gaining 15 pts. =24pts in 15 games (1.6pts per game) After Sharpes left P27..W8...D7...L12 At home W2...D3...L10 Away W5...D5...L6 =32pts in 27 games (1.1 pts per game) And people still argue that Sharpes was the one who got them playing. JM was 50% of the problem under Burr. If there were 5 games to play instead of 2 we would deffo be going down, thank god we those points early on in the season. If JM is here next season we are well and truely fooked |
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Post by sirfred on Apr 18, 2017 18:15:01 GMT
Jon Mccarthy is poisoning his own challiss by refusing to be critical of his squad of players but like Caesar the knives are out and he is still in denial - I'm not sure what he can do to stop the blood bath - To save himself he needs to be honest about the teams performances apologise for it and withdraw contract offers to the majority of the squad - Apolgise to Neil Turner and the fans-actively recruit fresh players - get shut of his non existent assistant and get a proper hands on No2- and even then it might not be enough Hail Caesar
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Post by whopper3 on Apr 18, 2017 19:35:35 GMT
Most afternoons Mccarthy can be seen in Ladbrokes in town. I often see him in there.
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Post by dmcnally on Apr 18, 2017 20:23:32 GMT
Most afternoons Mccarthy can be seen in Ladbrokes in town. I often see him in there. Haha okay. Funny lad you. |
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Post by Anders on Apr 18, 2017 22:27:42 GMT
I think he undoubtedly works extremely hard, I hope this comes across as I intend but Macca needs to work more smarter than harder at the moment. I can well imagine him staying up all night sellotaping his eyelids open to watch a binbag full of DVD’s. I think it’s resulting in him over complicating everything and making poor decisions on and off the pitch. He’s worrying about containing the opposition’s threats more than creating any for them to worry about. We’re changing the way we play every week, change who plays where every week and it feels pretty much just like a lucky dip as to how we’re going to set up in games. I think if anything he’s trying to be too clever.
That goes for his handling of the media as well, just be honest and straight. No need to get all defensive and twist any question Neil Turner asks back on him to try and make him feel guilty.
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Post by border collie on Apr 18, 2017 22:54:27 GMT
I'm not going to slag McCarthy off for the amount of preparation he puts into games. I admire his earnesty and commitment to the role and all the best managers treat it as a 24/7 role. Remember when Ian Rush seemed to be spending more time attending functions at Anfield than he did managing us? One of several reasons why he was never likely to make it as a manager. From what I've seen, I don't really think we've been badly set up in games, although his team selections and reluctance to play the back four that statistically works continues to frustrate and confuse. It's more a mentality thing that's holding us back at the moment I think. He needs to demand a little more from himself, his staff and his players. We will never know if Rush would have made a decent manager cos his team werent being paid . Just like Curles team werent being paid .or anyones team when they are not getting paid .Theres no point questioning the ability of any manager or player whilst V-----n was running the club |
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Post by Pauline M on Apr 19, 2017 0:27:21 GMT
I think he undoubtedly works extremely hard, I hope this comes across as I intend but Macca needs to work more smarter than harder at the moment. I can well imagine him staying up all night sellotaping his eyelids open to watch a binbag full of DVD’s. I think it’s resulting in him over complicating everything and making poor decisions on and off the pitch. He’s worrying about containing the opposition’s threats more than creating any for them to worry about. We’re changing the way we play every week, change who plays where every week and it feels pretty much just like a lucky dip as to how we’re going to set up in games. I think if anything he’s trying to be too clever. That goes for his handling of the media as well, just be honest and straight. No need to get all defensive and twist any question Neil Turner asks back on him to try and make him feel guilty. This is something the Board and our Media team need to get a grip of in the best interests of Jon himself. When things were going well then his time being interviewed was constructive and very interesting. However as things on the pitch have nosedived then I think there needed to be a bit more thought put in as to how much exposure Jon should be subjected to as after every home defeat he faces the same questions from Neil Turner who I know is only doing his job but he is a Chester fan too so is it really in the the best interests to pin someone up against a wall when he knows what constraints (budget, small squad, injuries and a part-time assistant) Jon is trying to manage, almost it seems singlehandedly. I know the media team are hot on filming and getting interviews on social media but this is the first Chester manager I can recall who has faced the press so much and then for it to be widely circulated on social media - the poor guy doesn't stand a chance if he says one word that the fans don't like. |
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Post by sirfred on Apr 19, 2017 5:32:44 GMT
It's not a case of saying what we like Pauline it's a case of being honest about performance as it's plainly to see we are under performing
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Post by Lobster on Apr 19, 2017 5:41:53 GMT
I'm not going to slag McCarthy off for the amount of preparation he puts into games. I admire his earnesty and commitment to the role and all the best managers treat it as a 24/7 role. Remember when Ian Rush seemed to be spending more time attending functions at Anfield than he did managing us? One of several reasons why he was never likely to make it as a manager. From what I've seen, I don't really think we've been badly set up in games, although his team selections and reluctance to play the back four that statistically works continues to frustrate and confuse. It's more a mentality thing that's holding us back at the moment I think. He needs to demand a little more from himself, his staff and his players. We will never know if Rush would have made a decent manager cos his team werent being paid . Just like Curles team werent being paid .or anyones team when they are not getting paid .Theres no point questioning the ability of any manager or player whilst V-----n was running the club True, and I've argued before on here that we probably judge Rush a bit harshly knowing what we know how. There were certain things he did that didn't help him though. |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 19, 2017 6:18:55 GMT
I think he undoubtedly works extremely hard, I hope this comes across as I intend but Macca needs to work more smarter than harder at the moment. I can well imagine him staying up all night sellotaping his eyelids open to watch a binbag full of DVD’s. I think it’s resulting in him over complicating everything and making poor decisions on and off the pitch. He’s worrying about containing the opposition’s threats more than creating any for them to worry about. We’re changing the way we play every week, change who plays where every week and it feels pretty much just like a lucky dip as to how we’re going to set up in games. I think if anything he’s trying to be too clever. That goes for his handling of the media as well, just be honest and straight. No need to get all defensive and twist any question Neil Turner asks back on him to try and make him feel guilty. This is something the Board and our Media team need to get a grip of in the best interests of Jon himself. When things were going well then his time being interviewed was constructive and very interesting. However as things on the pitch have nosedived then I think there needed to be a bit more thought put in as to how much exposure Jon should be subjected to as after every home defeat he faces the same questions from Neil Turner who I know is only doing his job but he is a Chester fan too so is it really in the the best interests to pin someone up against a wall when he knows what constraints (budget, small squad, injuries and a part-time assistant) Jon is trying to manage, almost it seems singlehandedly. I know the media team are hot on filming and getting interviews on social media but this is the first Chester manager I can recall who has faced the press so much and then for it to be widely circulated on social media - the poor guy doesn't stand a chance if he says one word that the fans don't like. I'm not sure about this Pauline, you almost seem to be suggesting that interviews and questions need to be screened by the club, and that's a bit reminiscent of darker times. Neil Turner and other journalists were farcically banned from the Deva under Terry Smith, and Vaughan was a bully in the way he used the media as well. It's in the interests of the club to be open and transparent to the media whether we win or lose. It is tough for managers these days, and the internet and social media mean more exposure than ever before, but the Media Team needs to stay up to the pace of that and not change the level of coverage given because what's being said is less palatable. Turner is not a hostile journalist, his tone is friendly and he's only asking the questions many fans are wondering. You're right that McCarthy can sound very astute in interviews at times, but in the last one I saw, he seemed to be dodging Turner's questions and answering different ones he wasn't asked. It's hard to give good interviews if you keep losing games, but sometimes you wonder if what he's saying, and the mentality behind it, is part of the reason why we're struggling |
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Post by border collie on Apr 19, 2017 9:09:45 GMT
This is something the Board and our Media team need to get a grip of in the best interests of Jon himself. When things were going well then his time being interviewed was constructive and very interesting. However as things on the pitch have nosedived then I think there needed to be a bit more thought put in as to how much exposure Jon should be subjected to as after every home defeat he faces the same questions from Neil Turner who I know is only doing his job but he is a Chester fan too so is it really in the the best interests to pin someone up against a wall when he knows what constraints (budget, small squad, injuries and a part-time assistant) Jon is trying to manage, almost it seems singlehandedly. I know the media team are hot on filming and getting interviews on social media but this is the first Chester manager I can recall who has faced the press so much and then for it to be widely circulated on social media - the poor guy doesn't stand a chance if he says one word that the fans don't like. I'm not sure about this Pauline, you almost seem to be suggesting that interviews and questions need to be screened by the club, and that's a bit reminiscent of darker times. Neil Turner and other journalists were farcically banned from the Deva under Terry Smith, and Vaughan was a bully in the way he used the media as well. It's in the interests of the club to be open and transparent to the media whether we win or lose. It is tough for managers these days, and the internet and social media mean more exposure than ever before, but the Media Team needs to stay up to the pace of that and not change the level of coverage given because what's being said is less palatable. Turner is not a hostile journalist, his tone is friendly and he's only asking the questions many fans are wondering. You're right that McCarthy can sound very astute in interviews at times, but in the last one I saw, he seemed to be dodging Turner's questions and answering different ones he wasn't asked. It's hard to give good interviews if you keep losing games, but sometimes you wonder if what he's saying, and the mentality behind it, is part of the reason why we're struggling His attitude appears to be crisis,what crisis ? when there clearly is one . Either most of the players have to go or he does .Probably both . But it starts at the top . The directors give the manager an easy ride ,the manager picks up on this and gives the players an easy ride . A lack of discipline leads to malaise on the pitch . Several of our players didnt look match fit in August and still dont . Its nowhere near professional enough . Jon McCarthy and his assistant have failed miserably as have most of the players and have to go . If things stay as they are i wont be present at the first game of next season and i suspect a lot of others wont be either . |
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 19, 2017 9:38:21 GMT
I'm not sure about this Pauline, you almost seem to be suggesting that interviews and questions need to be screened by the club, and that's a bit reminiscent of darker times. Neil Turner and other journalists were farcically banned from the Deva under Terry Smith, and Vaughan was a bully in the way he used the media as well. It's in the interests of the club to be open and transparent to the media whether we win or lose. It is tough for managers these days, and the internet and social media mean more exposure than ever before, but the Media Team needs to stay up to the pace of that and not change the level of coverage given because what's being said is less palatable. Turner is not a hostile journalist, his tone is friendly and he's only asking the questions many fans are wondering. You're right that McCarthy can sound very astute in interviews at times, but in the last one I saw, he seemed to be dodging Turner's questions and answering different ones he wasn't asked. It's hard to give good interviews if you keep losing games, but sometimes you wonder if what he's saying, and the mentality behind it, is part of the reason why we're struggling His attitude appears to be crisis,what crisis ? when there clearly is one . Either most of the players have to go or he does .Probably both . But it starts at the top . The directors give the manager an easy ride ,the manager picks up on this and gives the players an easy ride . A lack of discipline leads to malaise on the pitch . Several of our players didnt look match fit in August and still dont . Its nowhere near professional enough . Jon McCarthy and his assistant have failed miserably as have most of the players and have to go . If things stay as they are i wont be present at the first game of next season and i suspect a lot of others wont be either . Absolutely spot on! It's about exactly what you point out, not if he's a nice man and turns up at your exiles meetings. He sounds an utterly deluded fool, whether that is planned or not. The questions he is asked are absolutely correct. Do you think at any other club the media would be giving the manager an easy ride? |
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Post by YELLOW CARD on Apr 19, 2017 9:48:11 GMT
JM should be used to dealing the media, when results have not gone for us; I recall when Burr was Manager and we got beat, Burr wouldn't face the Press, he would send McCarthy out to answer questions and face them!
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Post by Si on Apr 19, 2017 12:10:06 GMT
Eddie Howe is a perfect example of someone who is relentlessly positive but handles the media perfectly. He never digs out individuals, but can openly admit when the team as a collective aren't good enough and vows to work harder and improve. I can understand Macca wanting to protect a young group of players with fragile confidence, but by constantly burying his head in the sand its making him look oblivious to what everyone else can see, and just a little bit of honestly would really work for him in this situation. I don't expect him to come out and say a mistake from George cost us the game, but come out and say that it wasn't good enough that we didn't see the game out and we showed our inexperience etc, rally the fans to stick with the team to get us over the line etc. Its one thing protecting the players, but at some point you have to understand that the majority of fans are seasoned observers of football and its borderline offensive to keep raving about what the lads did back in 2016 when us as fans are paying their wages week in week out and can recognise a failing team.
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Post by Si on Apr 19, 2017 12:14:30 GMT
Also if Macca has any ambitions of progressing up the managerial ladder (don't laugh!) then he'll face stiffer media challenges than Turner and Shane Pinnington waving a microphone at him in the stand after the game. You've gotta have thicker skin than that. As someone rightly pointed out, Turner is hardly a hound of a journalist, he might be repetitive but that's because any awkward questions are dodged or twisted and he wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't trying to get answers. It's currently topical about how reporters are treated following the Moyes comments, but its a worrying trend that managers feel that they can speak to reporters like dirt and dodge questions. Mourinho has done it for years, perhaps that's why its caught on with other managers.
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Post by Johnnybling on Apr 19, 2017 13:01:18 GMT
Jon Mccarthy is poisoning his own challiss by refusing to be critical of his squad of players but like Caesar the knives are out and he is still in denial - I'm not sure what he can do to stop the blood bath - To save himself he needs to be honest about the teams performances apologise for it and withdraw contract offers to the majority of the squad - Apolgise to Neil Turner and the fans-actively recruit fresh players - get shut of his non existent assistant and get a proper hands on No2- and even then it might not be enough Hail Caesar SPOT ON Sir Fred! |
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Post by Roland on Apr 19, 2017 14:59:34 GMT
I've been a supporter of our club for 87 years and I've never seen anyone as deluded as him, but we have to glue by him.
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