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Post by blue4life on Apr 22, 2017 19:00:08 GMT
I would say yes....but two years left on his contract @ £50 k (?) Per year.....£100k payoff that we can I'll afford. It would put is back to zero financially. If he's on anything close to that then whoever gave him the contract seriously needs sacking. |
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Post by bonecrusher on Apr 22, 2017 19:01:01 GMT
I would pinpoint the start of the demise to the home game against Lincoln. After conceding 1 goal in 10 games with Hughes and Astles looking like a rock, suddenly Hughes is moved to right back to accommodate Hudson, we then ship 22 goals in the next 10 league games and the rot has started to set in. At about this point Sharps leaves. Meanwhile baffling loan signings come in and don't get a game, we don't loan another striker to support Alabi as Akintunde is injured and Richards blatantly out of his depth, we then start mucking about with the formation as McCarthy tries anything, anything to change the results.
The buck stops with the manager because these payers have shown, that, if properly organised and motivated, they can grind out results. At the moment they look totally incapable of winning a game.
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Post by billyw on Apr 22, 2017 19:02:33 GMT
Keep McCarthy, sack Iwelumo. Appoint a hard nosed assistant who would be happy to knock heads together in the dressing room and on the touchline and could also step up as caretaker if McCarthy fails in the summer markets. Shaun Reid fits that bill. This makes financial sense after the contract mistake earlier this year. I think that is the only viable option I'm afraid. |
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Post by bonecrusher on Apr 22, 2017 19:03:22 GMT
Was Iwelumo even there today?
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 22, 2017 19:09:11 GMT
No, he posted his traditional Saturday morning Tweet saying he was on the train to London, but he wasn't Sutton-bound.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 22, 2017 19:43:48 GMT
I'm erring towards keeping him... only by a hair on a gnat's bollock though. Ditch the embarrassment of an assistant manager and replace him with Shaun Reid as somebody has mentioned above.
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Post by sirfred on Apr 22, 2017 19:45:09 GMT
The Circus Clown has performed his last act
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Post by Singing the Blues on Apr 22, 2017 20:44:08 GMT
JM has to go his position has become untenable and for some strange reason only known to himself he just can't see it, he can also take the waste of space CI with him for me. Our decline since Christmas has been shocking to say the least and JM has shown he has no idea how to deal with it or correct it  In the summer when some of our better players leave I have no confidence in JM to replace them and would rather a new manager is given a clean sheet and that's before JM can resign some of the dross we do have. |
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Post by Arrogant Blue on Apr 22, 2017 20:54:10 GMT
I hate to say it but a severance package should be agreed. Never ever nice to see someone lose their job who works hard (his predecessor was lazy and uncommitted and didn't buy into the club ethos) and wants success. I'm sure he'd be a good first team coach but as manager it's looking like Jon is out of his depth.
Thanks for the hard work and pulling us out of the muck last season left by that chancer in his blag Prada loafers but it's in the best interests of this club that a change is made.
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Post by Singing the Blues on Apr 22, 2017 21:03:50 GMT
Oh and the board need to take a really hard look at this because whoever came up with a two and a half year contract needs a kick up the ass and if we do get some money for young SH what a waste it will be |
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Post by Frustrated on Apr 22, 2017 21:33:16 GMT
Oh and the board need to take a really hard look at this because whoever came up with a two and a half year contract needs a kick up the ass and if we do get some money for young SH what a waste it will be If the board have an ounce of business acumen between them, which currently is hidden, please don't reiterate the volunteer mantra, then they will move smartly to remove this major issue which is blighting the club . Changes at management level must be made, the current sideshow can't continue, plus the CEO position must be closely monitored and targets met, on the clubs terms, not on the current incumbents schedule. |
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Post by MPW on Apr 22, 2017 21:52:04 GMT
I would pinpoint the start of the demise to the home game against Lincoln. After conceding 1 goal in 10 games with Hughes and Astles looking like a rock, suddenly Hughes is moved to right back to accommodate Hudson, we then ship 22 goals in the next 10 league games and the rot has started to set in. At about this point Sharps leaves. Meanwhile baffling loan signings come in and don't get a game, we don't loan another striker to support Alabi as Akintunde is injured and Richards blatantly out of his depth, we then start mucking about with the formation as McCarthy tries anything, anything to change the results. The buck stops with the manager because these payers have shown, that, if properly organised and motivated, they can grind out results. At the moment they look totally incapable of winning a game. You've hit the nail on the head there. Maguire also has much to answer for as I'm sure he was the one that wanted to give Jon the long contract. I can only see seasons of struggle from now unless we make some big changes. |
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Post by Positive Ean on Apr 22, 2017 21:54:38 GMT
We won't drop 500 season tickets. The cost of removing macca is prohibitive I'm afraid. No-one will manage us with the lowest budget in the league. We're 4th lowest this season, it's going to be lower already, then if you sack a manager you're taking out another 70k easily for 2 years contract.
So let's say it was 350k this year, 325k next and then minus 70 minimum - what manager in the world will come do a job on 255k budget? Even if use Sam money 300k it's still mission impossible and why would a manger come and do it for certain relegation unless its someone like Reid where it won't damage his career
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Post by Open your eyes on Apr 23, 2017 5:17:23 GMT
Macarthy learned his management " skills " with Burr.
They both have the same system :-
Obtain as long a contract as possible, allways , allways be seen as a "nice " guy ;
and then do everything possible to get the sack and have a big payoff !!
So simple when you have people who can only see the nicey nicey man , UGH !!
But we HAVE to get rid ASAP to give a new manager time to select his squad for next season .
Finally whoever was responsible for giving the extended contract should follow him out the door .
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Post by Jack on Apr 23, 2017 10:15:59 GMT
It's really clear that there is a malaise around the football club right now and there has been one all season. People argue that it's the reality of us being a mid-to-lower half conference team, but I think there's more to it than that.
Jon McCarthy was never a popular appointment. Yes, he probably earned his shot at it, but last season under SB was so draining that to appoint his assistant was a really uninspiring move. I remember being on holiday at the time and seeing our attendance for our first home game versus Dagenham and being shocked. To not break the 2000 barrier for our first home fixture, in the school holidays was a big warning sign of what was to come. Even during our great run of form, we played Torquay at home in front of 2200 and I can recall people talking about how it was a good gate. In reality, it was a laughable attendance for a team that had done so well. Tranmere away too, we took 1200 odd and made a great racket and JM waxed lyrical about what it showed about our potential but I thought it was a rubbish following. In years gone by, that was 2K + minimum making the short trek over.
What I'm saying is there seems to have been, over the course of this season, a gradual acceptance of what we are now. Whereas 1700 was a really poor gate, now we are all relieved to hear it's that many! I think a huge amount of that comes down to JM. Rightly or wrongly, his appointment was hugely deflating for a lot of people and made the decision to not bother this season an easy one.
Had we appointed Ronnie Moore, it'd have been different. There would absolutely have been 2500 at the first home game and we'd have experienced that bounce. We NEED that bounce this pre-season. We need something different, something to whet the appetite and bring people back. The club has a negative cloud over the top of it now and it's the sort of thing that only a good, clear change will get rid of. (I'm in no way suggesting Ronnie Moore was the answer, but a fresh impetus would have been huge for us)
We cannot afford to go into next season like this or it'll end in tears. The negativity if we lose our first game of the season will be enormous and we'll never recover. I don't think for one second we should appoint Shaun Reid because his credentials aren't good enough, but that KIND of appointment, coupled with a productive season off the field and we could get back to that team who averages 2000 and gets people feeling positive again.
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Post by paulie on Apr 23, 2017 10:38:22 GMT
I have the feeling McCarthy will be sacked after the boreham wood match. Win, lose or draw. The problem we have with sacking him now is that the assistant manager does not attend matches. So who on earth would take charge for that match.
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Post by gaz on Apr 23, 2017 11:10:20 GMT
can't the mods join all the Macarthy threads together........
where is the money going to come from to sack him? if his contact had a performance clause and he has achieved it by keeping the team in this league it is going to cost serious money to get rid.
I don't know the ins and outs of Sams transfer fee there is a lot of guess surrounding it. What ever comes to the club will likely be in installments in accordance to fa rules and possible linked to performance. The money may not be available straight away to pay Macarthy off.
money may be better spent getting a proper coach in...........
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Post by bluesince72 on Apr 23, 2017 12:00:39 GMT
Jon MaCarthy is a nice guy, hard working and enthusiastic. He has a small, mostly young, squad of players most of whom are a work progress. I really wanted him to succeed, but this is getting embarrassing, football is a results led business, and we are a shambles, bottom of the form table, can't get a point, let alone a win, in home matches. He MUST be sacked immediately following Saturdays final league fixture against Boreham Wood.
Yes, he might with a bit more luck with injuries, reflection on what has gone wrong, and signing players with character and resilience, not to mention a balanced squad IE. four strikers and a proper right back, get it right next season BUT if he stays season ticket sales will drop massively, the club cannot afford it, and if a gamble to keep the manager results in relegation to regional football, it would, I fear. lead to a spiral of decline that we would never reverse. Chester FC cannot gamble on its future, the manager has to go.
For the sake of our club Macca please resign!
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Post by Pauline M on Apr 23, 2017 12:25:21 GMT
Keep McCarthy, sack Iwelumo. Appoint a hard nosed assistant who would be happy to knock heads together in the dressing room and on the touchline and could also step up as caretaker if McCarthy fails in the summer markets. Shaun Reid fits that bill. This makes financial sense after the contract mistake earlier this year. Is hard nosed really necessart=y? I wouldn't have said Ian Sharps was hardnosed but he obviously could get the players motivated and on his side by his own methods and obviously complemented the work that Jon M did. However, I definitely think we need a coach who can work with the defence and one that gets our fans owned model to nurture youth players - some hard nosed ones won't. I want success as most of the rest but I don't think we need to be too knee jerky at this point but just correct some of the things that have either gone wrong this season or worked against us. I also think that some of the conditions Jon has had to work with over the past three months have been difficult. But.................the Board need to involve the fans in the financial situation much more open and transparently in the future and give us some targets to work to so the club can kick on and not slip back. We have definitely got to up our game with the Fundraising. |
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Post by Si on Apr 23, 2017 13:01:02 GMT
Keep McCarthy, sack Iwelumo. Appoint a hard nosed assistant who would be happy to knock heads together in the dressing room and on the touchline and could also step up as caretaker if McCarthy fails in the summer markets. Shaun Reid fits that bill. This makes financial sense after the contract mistake earlier this year. Is hard nosed really necessart=y? I wouldn't have said Ian Sharps was hardnosed but he obviously could get the players motivated and on his side by his own methods and obviously complemented the work that Jon M did. However, I definitely think we need a coach who can work with the defence and one that gets our fans owned model to nurture youth players - some hard nosed ones won't. I want success as most of the rest but I don't think we need to be too knee jerky at this point but just correct some of the things that have either gone wrong this season or worked against us. I also think that some of the conditions Jon has had to work with over the past three months have been difficult. But.................the Board need to involve the fans in the financial situation much more open and transparently in the future and give us some targets to work to so the club can kick on and not slip back. We have definitely got to up our game with the Fundraising. I don't think it would be a knee jerk decision when we haven't won a home game in 2017 and almost sleepwalked into the Conference North. The tactical decisions have been baffling. His interviews getting stranger with each game. If he was to leave there would be nothing knee jerk about it. |
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Post by billyw on Apr 23, 2017 14:56:41 GMT
Keep McCarthy, sack Iwelumo. Appoint a hard nosed assistant who would be happy to knock heads together in the dressing room and on the touchline and could also step up as caretaker if McCarthy fails in the summer markets. Shaun Reid fits that bill. This makes financial sense after the contract mistake earlier this year. Is hard nosed really necessart=y? I wouldn't have said Ian Sharps was hardnosed but he obviously could get the players motivated and on his side by his own methods and obviously complemented the work that Jon M did. However, I definitely think we need a coach who can work with the defence and one that gets our fans owned model to nurture youth players - some hard nosed ones won't. I want success as most of the rest but I don't think we need to be too knee jerky at this point but just correct some of the things that have either gone wrong this season or worked against us. I also thyink that some of the conditions Jon has had to work with over the past three months have been difficult. But.................the Board need to involve the fans in the financial situation much more open and transparently in the future and give us some targets to work to so the club can kick on and not slip back. We have definitely got to up our game with the Fundraising. Knee jerk ? With his appalling record over the last 4 months do you think McCarthy would still be in employment at any other club? |
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Post by paulie on Apr 23, 2017 15:00:44 GMT
Keep McCarthy, sack Iwelumo. Appoint a hard nosed assistant who would be happy to knock heads together in the dressing room and on the touchline and could also step up as caretaker if McCarthy fails in the summer markets. Shaun Reid fits that bill. This makes financial sense after the contract mistake earlier this year. Is hard nosed really necessart=y? I wouldn't have said Ian Sharps was hardnosed but he obviously could get the players motivated and on his side by his own methods and obviously complemented the work that Jon M did. However, I definitely think we need a coach who can work with the defence and one that gets our fans owned model to nurture youth players - some hard nosed ones won't. I want success as most of the rest but I don't think we need to be too knee jerky at this point but just correct some of the things that have either gone wrong this season or worked against us. I also think that some of the conditions Jon has had to work with over the past three months have been difficult. But.................the Board need to involve the fans in the financial situation much more open and transparently in the future and give us some targets to work to so the club can kick on and not slip back. We have definitely got to up our game with the Fundraising. Knee jerk = priceless |
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Post by Captain Bluebeard on Apr 23, 2017 15:26:28 GMT
My main issues 2017 and a reason to support the argument to get someone else in is that he hasn't realised still after all season that:
1. 4-4-2 is our best formation
2. Playing players out of position just doesn't work - especially when you have available players that can play in all the required positions (that they have been used to for years !)
3. Lack of ability to realise when down to two strikers, you need to sign another on laon to be used. Not sign multiple midfielders !
4. Targets can move/adjust. Yes, the board may well have said keep us safe etc. But that is and should always be a minimum requirement and after our great position pre christmas he should say to himself right my new target is to keep this position/push on even more.
5. Having a good position/points score pre christmas does not negate the woeful displays and lack of points since.
6. Having not won at home in 2017 means something is wrong and the manager hasn't been able to fix it. The answer by the way is points 1,2 and 3.
P.S. not winning at home over 4 months loses most managers their roles !
7. Would the manager be here next season if he hadn't signed a new contract - the answer is no. So in that case the answer should still be no as anything else wouldn't make any sense for the good of the club.
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Post by sqzl on Apr 23, 2017 15:56:14 GMT
I have the feeling McCarthy will be sacked after the boreham wood match. Win, lose or draw. The problem we have with sacking him now is that the assistant manager does not attend matches. So who on earth would take charge for that match. Is it a plausible option to ask JM to step down into a coaching role. So no pay off would be needed and he would stay under employment but in a more suitable role. He may be alright in that role if a quality manager comes in. Next season were joined by Orient, Hartlepool maybe, Fylde and a couple more, the division will be tougher to stay in. We should act before the summer and give a new manager time to bring his players in. |
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Post by Johnnybling on Apr 29, 2017 12:50:02 GMT
EIGHT LOSSES ON THE SPIN DONT WORRY ITS FINE JOHN ITS BLOODY NOT THOUGH!
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Post by backtottheleague on Apr 29, 2017 13:29:00 GMT
Well,there's on thing you can't take away from John McCarthy ____he is consistent.he must be even worse than Terry Smith in the losing stakes.I can't wait for his interview from cuckoo land.do us all a favour and leave our club without destroying the supporters as you have the team.rant over,,
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Post by paulie on Apr 29, 2017 13:32:57 GMT
Well,there's on thing you can't take away from John McCarthy ____he is consistent.he must be even worse than Terry Smith in the losing stakes.I can't wait for his interview from cuckoo land.do us all a favour and leave our club without destroying the supporters as you have the team.rant over,, He will pat himself on the back for a season well done, and say things are looking up for the future. |
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Post by Johnnybling on Apr 29, 2017 13:34:13 GMT
chesterfc Shocking disgraceful time for a change disgusting incompetent
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Post by sqzl on Apr 29, 2017 13:38:46 GMT
chesterfc Shocking disgraceful time for a change disgusting incompetent Rumours he has walked |
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Post by Johnnybling on Apr 29, 2017 13:39:54 GMT
Hope so
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