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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 16:36:07 GMT
Has resigned as Hartlepool President with club facing relegation in an attempt to force the manager's removal
He stated on air:
"We have lost at home, we're in the relegation places, and it's not personal Dave (Jones), but for God's sake, for the good of the club, walk now.
Go now. You've got 13 points from 51, this is not your level of football.
(Finance Director) Pam Duxbury, the Chairman Gary Coxall, if he won't walk, then sack him.
If it means me resigning as President then I do so happily - do it now, do it today."
THEN HE DID RESIGN! - Stelling not Jones!
One helluva statement from a man obviously passionate about his Club
Does that similar level of passion exist with certain members of our hierarchy - I'm seriously wondering
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 23, 2017 16:43:28 GMT
That's took something for Jeff to resign.
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Post by Browser on Apr 23, 2017 17:03:58 GMT
If our current struggles show the dangers of hiring a rookie manager, then Dave Jones is a good example of why going for 'experience' is not always the answer either. He's had a good managerial career but has really struggled at Hartlepool, probably not helped by having not worked at that level of football for a long time. It was the same when Oxford brought back Jim Smith and they ended up getting relegated from League 2.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 17:20:09 GMT
If our current struggles show the dangers of hiring a rookie manager, then Dave Jones is a good example of why going for 'experience' is not always the answer either. He's had a good managerial career but has really struggled at Hartlepool, probably not helped by having not worked at that level of football for a long time. It was the same when Oxford brought back Jim Smith and they ended up getting relegated from League 2. I agree with you - after all, you never know if you've got the RIGHT manager until that person is in place. My point was more along the lines of here's a high profile public figure prepared to question that the club i.e the board AND himself, I suspect, got it wrong and was prepared to stand by his principles even to the point of resigning whilst imploring the club to act. For that I admire him and I suspect most Pool fans would as well |
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 23, 2017 17:28:25 GMT
The challenge when recruiting a manager to suit our football club is finding someone who is able to succeed on a low budget. The Cowley's did it at Braintree, Bignot did it at Solihull and Askey has been doing it at Macclesfield. Burr always needs ££££ to succeed as does Ronnie Moore - even then there's no guarantee of success. To a degree Neil Young needed it as we came through the leagues and he was found out once we got to the Conference because we were no longer able to recruit the best players at the level we were playing at. It's about having the ability to find the right players, often from lower divisions, give them an opportunity and then work with them/develop them into the type of players that we are unable to afford to sign. Unfortunately neither Burr or McCarthy are able to do that, hence the blundering attempts to bring in kids from academies that just aren't up to it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2017 17:42:22 GMT
our board will most probably say well done jon heres a 12 month extension your doing a cracking job!!!
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Post by Dodge on Apr 25, 2017 7:10:32 GMT
The challenge when recruiting a manager to suit our football club is finding someone who is able to succeed on a low budget. The Cowley's did it at Braintree, Bignot did it at Solihull and Askey has been doing it at Macclesfield. Burr always needs ££££ to succeed as does Ronnie Moore - even then there's no guarantee of success. To a degree Neil Young needed it as we came through the leagues and he was found out once we got to the Conference because we were no longer able to recruit the best players at the level we were playing at. It's about having the ability to find the right players, often from lower divisions, give them an opportunity and then work with them/develop them into the type of players that we are unable to afford to sign. Unfortunately neither Burr or McCarthy are able to do that, hence the blundering attempts to bring in kids from academies that just aren't up to it. You're in a privileged position of being able to post anonymously on a fans forum saying that you would sack the manager and get someone else in who could do a better job, whereas the board aren't. When Burr was sacked the known candidates other than McCarthy were Shaun Goater, Paul Carden, Shaun Reid Dave Challinor from AFC Fylde, Craig Harrison from TNS, Richard Hill from Eastleigh and Ronnie Moore (who didn't apply). They all fall under the category of unproven (just like Macca was) or requiring significant money to succeed like Burr did. Unfortunately there wasn't a queue of applicants who had proven that they could work wonders on a shoestring budget, and I'm sure the board are conscious of this. The Cowley brothers are destined for better things and John Askey's not going to give up Macc for us. Marcus Bignot is really the only potential candidate, but it's a myth that he won the Conference North with Solihull on a low budget, they get significant funding from local businesses for the use of their facilities and their chairman was quoted in the local press as saying "if we had to rely on our gate receipts to form a basis for our playing budget at this level, we wouldn’t be here, we’d be two or three levels below". I'm really not sure what manager we could appoint that would see such an increase in season ticket sales that it would offset the cost of paying McCarthy off. |
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 25, 2017 8:16:30 GMT
our board will most probably say well done jon heres a 12 month extension your doing a cracking job!!! Keep up ~ they've already given him a 2-year extension. |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 25, 2017 8:55:14 GMT
What do people think about what Jeff Stelling did here?
I'm torn between sympathising with him as a fan, and thinking he overstepped the mark a bit as a TV presenter and used his power to put the board in an impossible position.
Imagine he was a Chester fan/board member and he'd had a rant about McCarthy on Saturday, demanding he either leave or the board sack him. He'd be reflecting the views of many fans, but would it be helpful or responsible for someone with his authority to back the club into a corner like that, potentially forcing them to make a decision that might not be financially sensible?
Can't quite make my mind up. I can understand why he did it, but not sure it was wise, and can't help but feel for a good bloke like Dave Jones who has been sh*t on quite a lot during his managerial career.
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Post by billyw on Apr 25, 2017 10:35:14 GMT
What do people think about what Jeff Stelling did here? I'm torn between sympathising with him as a fan, and thinking he overstepped the mark a bit as a TV presenter and used his power to put the board in an impossible position. Imagine he was a Chester fan/board member and he'd had a rant about McCarthy on Saturday, demanding he either leave or the board sack him. He'd be reflecting the views of many fans, but would it be helpful or responsible for someone with his authority to back the club into a corner like that, potentially forcing them to make a decision that might not be financially sensible? Can't quite make my mind up. I can understand why he did it, but not sure it was wise, and can't help but feel for a good bloke like Dave Jones who has been sh*t on quite a lot during his managerial career. I'm like you, I cant blame Jeff for being passionate about his club and for his views, but I feel a bit uneasy that he used his high profile position on national TV to do so - overstepped the mark IMO. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Apr 25, 2017 11:18:05 GMT
Jeff Stelling is usually quite honorable when Hartlepool are playing, he cheers goals going in, without being disrespectful to the opposition, and is usually magnanimous in defeat.
For him to have this rant, and I watched it live and rewound it and watched it again as I couldn't believe what I was watching, I was astonished.
Was I thinking, he has used his position and overstepped the mark, no not at all, was I thinking that's exactly what I am thinking at this very moment after seeing another 5 get put past us, absolutely I was.
You have to remember, this is his beloved team going out of the league here, a position we have suffered twice, we know its not nice, its heartbreaking.
He also said that its not personal and I don't believe it was, as President of the club, he would have had many dealings with the manager this season. He didn't question the managers ability, he questioned his ability at that level, its completely different.
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 25, 2017 12:21:00 GMT
The challenge when recruiting a manager to suit our football club is finding someone who is able to succeed on a low budget. The Cowley's did it at Braintree, Bignot did it at Solihull and Askey has been doing it at Macclesfield. Burr always needs ££££ to succeed as does Ronnie Moore - even then there's no guarantee of success. To a degree Neil Young needed it as we came through the leagues and he was found out once we got to the Conference because we were no longer able to recruit the best players at the level we were playing at. It's about having the ability to find the right players, often from lower divisions, give them an opportunity and then work with them/develop them into the type of players that we are unable to afford to sign. Unfortunately neither Burr or McCarthy are able to do that, hence the blundering attempts to bring in kids from academies that just aren't up to it. You're in a privileged position of being able to post anonymously on a fans forum saying that you would sack the manager and get someone else in who could do a better job, whereas the board aren't. When Burr was sacked the known candidates other than McCarthy were Shaun Goater, Paul Carden, Shaun Reid Dave Challinor from AFC Fylde, Craig Harrison from TNS, Richard Hill from Eastleigh and Ronnie Moore (who didn't apply). They all fall under the category of unproven (just like Macca was) or requiring significant money to succeed like Burr did. Unfortunately there wasn't a queue of applicants who had proven that they could work wonders on a shoestring budget, and I'm sure the board are conscious of this. The Cowley brothers are destined for better things and John Askey's not going to give up Macc for us. Marcus Bignot is really the only potential candidate, but it's a myth that he won the Conference North with Solihull on a low budget, they get significant funding from local businesses for the use of their facilities and their chairman was quoted in the local press as saying "if we had to rely on our gate receipts to form a basis for our playing budget at this level, we wouldn’t be here, we’d be two or three levels below". I'm really not sure what manager we could appoint that would see such an increase in season ticket sales that it would offset the cost of paying McCarthy off. All of those named above achieved success before becoming the name they now are. At no point did I suggest that Cowley or Askey would come to us. However, like McCarthy, they were given an opportunity as an unproven manager and unlike him have succeeded. Solihull got out of the the Conference North based on the 100k they made off the Omar Bogle sale. They developed a player and sold him on at significant profit - exactly what we should be doing. I see it as irrelevant that I post on here rather than sit on the board. At the end of the day, I'm not wrapped up in the 'he's a lovely guy' narrative that seems to dominate their thinking, judging by statements that come out. It's a results business and this management team has failed massively and can only live off the back of that purple patch for so long. Unfortunately, that purple patch has saved his skin, but will ultimately cost the club dearly in the long run, financially. Board members and their acquaintances can bury their heads in the sand for as long as possible, but that is the very clear reality as we move forwards, unless something changes. |
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Post by billyw on Apr 25, 2017 14:08:58 GMT
You're in a privileged position of being able to post anonymously on a fans forum saying that you would sack the manager and get someone else in who could do a better job, whereas the board aren't. When Burr was sacked the known candidates other than McCarthy were Shaun Goater, Paul Carden, Shaun Reid Dave Challinor from AFC Fylde, Craig Harrison from TNS, Richard Hill from Eastleigh and Ronnie Moore (who didn't apply). They all fall under the category of unproven (just like Macca was) or requiring significant money to succeed like Burr did. Unfortunately there wasn't a queue of applicants who had proven that they could work wonders on a shoestring budget, and I'm sure the board are conscious of this. The Cowley brothers are destined for better things and John Askey's not going to give up Macc for us. Marcus Bignot is really the only potential candidate, but it's a myth that he won the Conference North with Solihull on a low budget, they get significant funding from local businesses for the use of their facilities and their chairman was quoted in the local press as saying "if we had to rely on our gate receipts to form a basis for our playing budget at this level, we wouldn’t be here, we’d be two or three levels below". I'm really not sure what manager we could appoint that would see such an increase in season ticket sales that it would offset the cost of paying McCarthy off. All of those named above achieved success before becoming the name they now are. At no point did I suggest that Cowley or Askey would come to us. However, like McCarthy, they were given an opportunity as an unproven manager and unlike him have succeeded. Solihull got out of the the Conference North based on the 100k they made off the Omar Bogle sale. They developed a player and sold him on at significant profit - exactly what we should be doing. I see it as irrelevant that I post on here rather than sit on the board. At the end of the day, I'm not wrapped up in the 'he's a lovely guy' narrative that seems to dominate their thinking, judging by statements that come out. It's a results business and this management team has failed massively and can only live off the back of that purple patch for so long. Unfortunately, that purple patch has saved his skin, but will ultimately cost the club dearly in the long run, financially. Board members and their acquaintances can bury their heads in the sand for as long as possible, but that is the very clear reality as we move forwards, unless something changes. Spot on. |
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Post by loskasleftfoot on Apr 25, 2017 15:58:06 GMT
BillyW says that this is a results business and that the management team have massively failed. This is the problem as the management team believe that they have succeeded.
I would like to know if Jon was given a different target for next season when his contract was extended.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 21:56:15 GMT
our board will most probably say well done jon heres a 12 month extension your doing a cracking job!!! Keep up ~ they've already given him a 2-year extension. keep up it was meant in jest as for this board anything could happen |
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