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Post by noddy on Nov 18, 2021 20:10:43 GMT
Maybe he should practice what he preaches, highly embarrassing the latest releases regarding him and anti semitic messages he sent back in 2011. Thought he was very brave initially in coming forward but no pun intended you have to be whiter than white yourself. Find it difficult to sympathise with him now.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 18, 2021 22:28:06 GMT
Maybe he should practice what he preaches, highly embarrassing the latest releases regarding him and anti semitic messages he sent back in 2011. Thought he was very brave initially in coming forward but no pun intended you have to be whiter than white yourself. Find it difficult to sympathise with him now. Haven't followed the case closely, but why do you have to be "whiter than white" to make an allegation of racism? They're two separate incidents, neither of them acceptable, but they don't cancel each other out. It's not OK to racially abuse a racist. Not the best use of a pun either. It's not like you said it out loud and then realised you'd done it. You could have rephrased that but chose to keep it in.
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Post by noddy on Nov 18, 2021 22:51:04 GMT
I did quote no pun intended, and of course neither are acceptable. I still stand by my point of I find it hard to sympathise with him now though regardless. Be interested to hear other posters opinions, and what they think regarding Rafiq's comments.
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Post by thestanchion on Nov 18, 2021 23:42:01 GMT
I was very moved by his statement, particularly the part when he mentioned the death of his son and none of his team mates offering any condolences. His bravery in highlighting bullying compromised his career. I doubt if anyone at Yorkshire CC was offended by these alleged anti semitic comments, of which I have heard no reference to in the news reports. Where did you read this?
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Post by Lobster on Nov 19, 2021 6:42:57 GMT
I did quote no pun intended, and of course neither are acceptable. I still stand by my point of I find it hard to sympathise with him now though regardless. Be interested to hear other posters opinions, and what they think regarding Rafiq's comments. It just comes across to me as though you're shrugging his allegations off now, almost implying it serves him right. You don't have to like him but it's about more than him anyway. If you racially abuse someone because they're Indian, black, Jewish or whatever, you insult everyone of that background.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 19, 2021 7:52:24 GMT
Definitely some disturbing undercurrent to the original poster’s thread here - one which he has also demonstrated elsewhere such as bemoaning our “woke” (used in the wrong context) club for punishing fans for their vile abuse of Jonno at a recent home game.
Rafiq made a silly, yes anti-Semitic comment on Twitter years ago calling a mate Jewish because he’s tight with buying a round, but the guy - and other cricketers of South Asian heritage - have suffered prolonged systemic racist abuse carried out by the club hierarchy and his case has pushed the door open for such players to speak out about their experiences in the wider game. It’s a good thing.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 19, 2021 9:15:59 GMT
Definitely some disturbing undercurrent to the original poster’s thread here - one which he has also demonstrated elsewhere such as bemoaning our “woke” (used in the wrong context) club for punishing fans for their vile abuse of Jonno at a recent home game. Rafiq made a silly, yes anti-Semitic comment on Twitter years ago calling a mate Jewish because he’s tight with buying a round, but the guy - and other cricketers of South Asian heritage - have suffered prolonged systemic racist abuse carried out by the club hierarchy and his case has pushed the door open for such players to speak out about their experiences in the wider game. It’s a good thing. He didn't, to be fair. He just made a bit of a strange point about how he hoped the punishments wouldn't extend to casual swearing at matches.
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Post by noddy on Nov 19, 2021 9:26:19 GMT
Definitely some disturbing undercurrent to the original poster’s thread here - one which he has also demonstrated elsewhere such as bemoaning our “woke” (used in the wrong context) club for punishing fans for their vile abuse of Jonno at a recent home game. Rafiq made a silly, yes anti-Semitic comment on Twitter years ago calling a mate Jewish because he’s tight with buying a round, but the guy - and other cricketers of South Asian heritage - have suffered prolonged systemic racist abuse carried out by the club hierarchy and his case has pushed the door open for such players to speak out about their experiences in the wider game. It’s a good thing. Your delving far too deeply into my original post and point Frank, though I would like you to explain on the disturbing undercurrent part of your reply. I also did not bemoan our club for punishing the fan regarding Jonno's abuse, my point was regarding Cleggy's announcement pre match and how it potentially could be interpreted, as in fans objecting to things said near them. Michael Vaughan made a silly throw a way line apparently back in 2009, he denies it but whether he said it or not it's likely to have a damaging impact on his career in the media, some might say rightly, some will disagree.
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Post by noddy on Nov 19, 2021 9:28:12 GMT
Definitely some disturbing undercurrent to the original poster’s thread here - one which he has also demonstrated elsewhere such as bemoaning our “woke” (used in the wrong context) club for punishing fans for their vile abuse of Jonno at a recent home game. Rafiq made a silly, yes anti-Semitic comment on Twitter years ago calling a mate Jewish because he’s tight with buying a round, but the guy - and other cricketers of South Asian heritage - have suffered prolonged systemic racist abuse carried out by the club hierarchy and his case has pushed the door open for such players to speak out about their experiences in the wider game. It’s a good thing. He didn't, to be fair. He just made a bit of a strange point about how he hoped the punishments wouldn't extend to casual swearing at matches. Thankyou Lobster, I'll let you off with the strange point 😄
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Post by Lobster on Nov 19, 2021 11:54:16 GMT
The sad thing is that somebody (probably a journalist) has taken the time to scour through his social media history to find something questionable he said as a teenager. I find that a strange reaction to somebody exposing racism, almost as though it's an attempt to discredit them. It would also make other people hesitant to speak up about abuse if they worry that everything they've ever put online is going to be run through with a fine tooth comb.
The point of speaking up about racism isn't just that you want to call someone a racist. The idea is that you want to change it and educate the perpetrators. We pretty much all harbour racial prejudice to some degree whether we're aware of it or not, so the solution is to be more aware of it and try to better ourselves. Rafiq has been made aware that said something racist 10 years ago and he accepts that and argues he has educated himself since. Similarly, I don't think he would want Yorkshire to be seen as a racist cricket club in 10 years' time, he would want them to change and learn from their past.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2021 14:16:29 GMT
The sad thing is that somebody (probably a journalist) has taken the time to scour through his social media history to find something questionable he said as a teenager. I find that a strange reaction to somebody exposing racism, almost as though it's an attempt to discredit them. It would also make other people hesitant to speak up about abuse if they worry that everything they've ever put online is going to be run through with a fine tooth comb. The point of speaking up about racism isn't just that you want to call someone a racist. The idea is that you want to change it and educate the perpetrators. We pretty much all harbour racial prejudice to some degree whether we're aware of it or not, so the solution is to be more aware of it and try to better ourselves. Rafiq has been made aware that said something racist 10 years ago and he accepts that and argues he has educated himself since. Similarly, I don't think he would want Yorkshire to be seen as a racist cricket club in 10 years' time, he would want them to change and learn from their past. Exactly this - he was a 19 year old when he made them remarks, which I’m sure weren’t born out of hatred. In contrast, for years he has suffered institutionalised racism from professional cricketers (adults), coaches, captains, tv presenters etc at every corner. Trying to liken the two, or even use his comments to nullify the racism he received for being Asian, is a simpleton, dangerous attitude. What was more damning for me was David Lloyd texting all his chums as a heads up to get their stories straight.
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Post by superman on Nov 21, 2021 10:09:29 GMT
It is to be hoped that much will now improve in cricket in terms of eliminating racism in all its forms. Much has been made of all the off the field issues, but no mention of on the field issues such as sledging which is frequently embellished with racial, sexual and gender references, dished out by players of all ethnicities.
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Post by ivawhopper on Nov 21, 2021 14:56:03 GMT
It is to be hoped that much will now improve in cricket in terms of eliminating racism in all its forms. Much has been made of all the off the field issues, but no mention of on the field issues such as sledging which is frequently embellished with racial, sexual and gender references, dished out by players of all ethnicities. A good sledge is priceless though. Doesn’t have to be an insult. Glenn McGrath - Eddo, why are you so f-ing fat? Eddo Brandes - Cos every time your wife F’s me she gives me a biscuit! legendary.
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