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Post by Lobster on Apr 24, 2017 8:10:09 GMT
Although Garforth still gives me goal difference nightmares, I'm going to stick my neck out and say we're safe, so who do you think will be the two going down with Southport and North Ferriby? 17 Chester 52 -6 18 Woking 52 -14 19 Torquay United 50 -9 20 Guiseley 50 -17 ------------------------------------- 21 York City 49 -15 22 Braintree Town 48 -23 R North Ferriby United 39 -48 R Southport 38 -45 Braintree are gone I think. They'll need to win at Aldershot to have any chance at all, and even that may not be enough. If Dover lose to Macc tomorrow night, Aldershot may relax a bit at the weekend as their playoff place will be assured, but I still think they'll have too much for Braintree. A shame as I think Braintree are one of the more likeable clubs in this division. I can definitely see York beating Forest Green. FGR are a complete pain of a club who have a recent history of not doing relegation battlers any favours by losing games they should win. Not a lot for them to play for so I think York will win, leaving them looking at the clubs above them to slip up. Guiseley are at home to Solihull, who have nothing to play for but have responded well to that 9-0 hammering at Tranmere and can be a tough side to play against. Can see them frustrating Guiseley to a draw. Torquay should beat NFU at home. Couldn't have seen them staying up a few weeks ago, but they're on the home straight now and just need to hold their nerve. Woking go to Dagenham, who might be taking it easy but have the slight incentive of finishing 3rd instead of 4th and being at home for their playoff second league. Woking are a pretty poor side and I think Dagenham will win. And lastly, I expect us to lose to Boreham Wood. Wood are themselves in poor form but we've got to be the worst side in the division at the moment and can't seem to help losing at home. That would send Braintree and Guiseley down, York move ahead of Woking on GD but both safe on 52 points, us also on 52 but with a better GD than both, and Torquay finish a point ahead of us. Sorry for the long post. Stuck on a bus in morning traffic with nothing else to do  |
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Post by Pseudoscally on Apr 24, 2017 8:59:04 GMT
Don't apologise. Good analysis and I don't think you're too far wrong.
Has to be said that this is the most disappointing finish to a season.
A thought for you, say we had this terrible run at the start of the season and finished strongly, just about surviving on the last day on goal difference. Think about the buzz that would be around the club, attendances would be up and we'd be thinking about making decent progress next season.
Look where the likes of Lincoln and aldershot were last year. We battered both of them. It really doesn't take much tinkering to change our fortunes. It's just having the right manager to do it.
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Post by agl on Apr 24, 2017 10:29:16 GMT
Wouldn't argue with that bottom 4. Hope Torquay stay up as it's a good trip. Wouldn't be sorry to see Woking go, purely because of their chippy fans who were giving us stick earlier in the season. "How did you beat Sa-un (Sutton)?" Also hope FGR go up, purely to get rid of them and keep the Tranmere fixture.
For us Exiles looks like it will be Maidenhead and Ebbsfleet (another money club) up from National league South and of course Orient coming down (if they survive at all) which is a good away day. Halifax, Darlington, Kiddy, Salford, Stockport all still in the mix in National League N with Fylde already up. Our old friends Chorley also up there.
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Post by Arrogant Blue on Apr 24, 2017 12:02:50 GMT
York and Guiseley as there are just too many northern teams in this league.
In reality Braintree and us probably knowing our luck.
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Post by bethnalblue on Apr 24, 2017 12:07:44 GMT
Cant argue with that with myself also being an exile. Leyton Orient 3 stops away on Central Line so hope they do survive!!
Would like to see Braintree stay up as also easy to get to.
Hoping for someone other than Ebbsfleet Utd though as they are just another bankrolled club.
Wouldnt miss Guisley if they went either.
Stockport would be ok as another derby game to bring in decent crowd.
And you just know Hartlepool away would be midweek in November ⛆🌨❄
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Post by MOC on Apr 24, 2017 12:20:08 GMT
An interesting subplot to the final day is Garry Hill taking his Woking side back to his old club Dag & Red and potentially needing to pick up a point to avoid relegation. The sides are relatively local to each other so I do wonder if the Daggers would rather see Woking stay up so they'd play them again (if D&R don't win the play-offs).
Think who goes down may hinge on how motivated the sides they play are, particularly those definitely in the play-offs, and I believe there should be a longer turnaround than four days between the final day of the season and the start of the play-offs. There's usually two weeks between the second-leg and final so it can certainly be scheduled differently. If they did that you might at least see sides that have already qualified not spend their last league game worrying about picking up even the slightest injury.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Apr 24, 2017 12:54:18 GMT
Good analysis lobster. I thought Guiseley would've been safe a few weeks ago but now I think they will go down along with Braintree. I wouldn't miss Braintree too much but Guiseley are another Northern team. (Not being nasty at all) but I would like it if Hartlepool come down. A team who would replace Guiseley and a fairly big team with a nice ground.
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Post by Fed up on Apr 24, 2017 13:30:45 GMT
If we lose by 5 or more on Saturday, (which, given everything that has happened in 2017, especially at home, is perfectly feasible,) and York City win by 5 or more, (and that's happened before, too,) then sadly it will be us that goes down. How can a chairman let us get into this position? How can a manager really believe that the majority of supporters still back him after what he's done to us?
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Post by border collie on Apr 24, 2017 13:35:55 GMT
If we lose by 5 or more on Saturday, (which, given everything that has happened in 2017, especially at home, is perfectly feasible,) and York City win by 5 or more, (and that's happened before, too,) then sadly it will be us that goes down. How can a chairman let us get into this position? How can a manager really believe that the majority of supporters still back him after what he's done to us? Cheer up, it's only a game. And we're not going down, don't be so silly. |
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Post by Fed up on Apr 24, 2017 13:45:38 GMT
If we lose by 5 or more on Saturday, (which, given everything that has happened in 2017, especially at home, is perfectly feasible,) and York City win by 5 or more, (and that's happened before, too,) then sadly it will be us that goes down. How can a chairman let us get into this position? How can a manager really believe that the majority of supporters still back him after what he's done to us? Cheer up, it's only a game. And we're not going down, don't be so silly. Where do I say that we will go down? I just pointed out that it is possible that we may and that the powers that be should not have let us get into that position. If that is being silly, then I bow to the better judgement of a dog! By the way, I think somebody with a bit more brain power than many did say that football IS more than "only a game." |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 24, 2017 15:01:21 GMT
If we lose by 5 or more on Saturday, (which, given everything that has happened in 2017, especially at home, is perfectly feasible,) and York City win by 5 or more, (and that's happened before, too,) then sadly it will be us that goes down. How can a chairman let us get into this position? How can a manager really believe that the majority of supporters still back him after what he's done to us? Betway will give you 500/1 for us to get relegated. Stick a couple of quid on it if you're really worried about this, and cheer yourself up with a grand! |
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Post by billyw on Apr 24, 2017 15:10:40 GMT
If we lose by 5 or more on Saturday, (which, given everything that has happened in 2017, especially at home, is perfectly feasible,) and York City win by 5 or more, (and that's happened before, too,) then sadly it will be us that goes down. How can a chairman let us get into this position? How can a manager really believe that the majority of supporters still back him after what he's done to us? That's not actually true. If the unthinkable happened and we lost by 5 goals and York won by 5, it doesn't necessarily mean we would go down as it all depends on the results for the other teams below us. Can't disagree with your other comments though. |
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Post by Frustrated on Apr 24, 2017 15:38:18 GMT
If we lose by 5 or more on Saturday, (which, given everything that has happened in 2017, especially at home, is perfectly feasible,) and York City win by 5 or more, (and that's happened before, too,) then sadly it will be us that goes down. How can a chairman let us get into this position? How can a manager really believe that the majority of supporters still back him after what he's done to us? That's not actually true. If the unthinkable happened and we lost by 5 goals and York won by 5, it doesn't necessarily mean we would go down as it all depends on the results for the other teams below us. Can't disagree with your other comments though. Dont panic, Jon has it all under control, after his magnificent achievement of staving off relegation , which in his opinion should win him the National Leagues Manager of the Season award next month , he has come up with a cunning plan. He is going to play Wade, bless him, and Will Marsh up front on Saturday, his plan is that the Boreham Wood defence will be pissing themselves so much with laughter, which in turn could spread throughout the team and as such will keep the scoreline down to only two or three . A 3-0 defeat would ensure safety, and more over get everyone into the party spirit for the clubs Awards Presentation evening which is to be held on Saturday. Naturally Jon is hoping to pick up the majority of the awards and plaudits for his terrific campaign, and with Mark being the main judge, all bets on who will be the winners are off. And we all thought Jon was shallow and on a different planet, how wrong you can be. In another development today, it was noted that Jon was annoyed that Kane and Wade, bless him, hadnt been nominated for last nights PFA awards, "Kante , Lukaku, they are not fit to play in Kanes bouncy castle or swap Wades Harry Potter cards," a furious McCarthy said. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 24, 2017 15:39:12 GMT
If we lose by 5 or more on Saturday, (which, given everything that has happened in 2017, especially at home, is perfectly feasible,) and York City win by 5 or more, (and that's happened before, too,) then sadly it will be us that goes down. How can a chairman let us get into this position? How can a manager really believe that the majority of supporters still back him after what he's done to us? That's not actually true. If the unthinkable happened and we lost by 5 goals and York won by 5, it doesn't necessarily mean we would go down as it all depends on the results for the other teams below us. Can't disagree with your other comments though. Exactly right. It's not just between us and York. IF the GD was somehow overturned, Woking would need to draw amd Torquay and Guiseley would both need to win. York won't be looking for a big win on Sat to catch us. They'll take any kind of win because chances are, at least one of the three above them will lose. |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 24, 2017 17:49:20 GMT
What it does make you realise is that we would really have been sweating had York got a late winner at Woking.
And how important has Kane Richards last minute equaliser at York turned out to be?
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Post by soulseal on Apr 24, 2017 18:10:21 GMT
I really didn't expect or want such excitement for the final match 😬
In my dreams I have seen Jeff Stelling saying that Hartlepool not looking forward to trips to York, Guiseley, Woking, Torquay following the astonishing final day results in the National League....
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Post by Blue Trev on Apr 24, 2017 18:13:26 GMT
What it does make you realise is that we would really have been sweating had York got a late winner at Woking. And how important has Kane Richards last minute equaliser at York turned out to be?But over Six months ago ! His and the teams performance was pretty good in that game. Since then Kane's level of performance has matched that of the team and our manager, being utterly, utterly desperate. Quite hard to believe when I think back to quite an enjoyable way day. Contrast that with the wholly unacceptable effort in the home game against York . |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 24, 2017 19:03:05 GMT
What it does make you realise is that we would really have been sweating had York got a late winner at Woking. And how important has Kane Richards last minute equaliser at York turned out to be?But over Six months ago ! His and the teams performance was pretty good in that game. Since then Kane's level of performance has matched that of the team and our manager, being utterly, utterly desperate. Quite hard to believe when I think back to quite an enjoyable way day. Contrast that with the wholly unacceptable effort in the home game against York . ...and the inexcusable collapse against Woking. Losing those two six pointers at home was so so poor and could have proven very costly. |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 6, 2018 20:13:19 GMT
BUMP.
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