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Post by Krankie's Ghost on Apr 24, 2017 12:16:02 GMT
Ian Sharps left on the 15th November 2017 just after the 2-2 draw with Tranmere.
before he left we had:
been done 3-0 by Gateshead
beaten 3-1 at home by Maidstone
lost 3-2 to Barrow
lost 3-1 to woking.
beaten 2-1 at home by FGR who took the p*ss
So, this amazing defence that sharps built was conceding quite alot actually.
or was that McCarthy's fault?
we then went on a 7 game run without conceding
This was Sharps' brilliance.
Or was the above conceding spree MCcarthy's Fault and then Sharps took over? i forget.
It did coincide with Hughes and Astles getting a partnership going, which was OBVIOUSLY sharps' idea.
We lost away at lowly Southport in the FA cup to a scruffy goal. Ian Sharps was still assistant but it had nothing to do with him.
We then got hit for 5 (yes FIVE) by Lincoln. Sharps was still here but again, it had nothing to do with him.
But wait Macca picked the team so it is HIS FAULT
but Macca picked the teams that went 7 games without conceding THIS IS SHARPS' doing.
[then sharps left]
we went 8 games without defeat after sharps left.
Included in that we beat Eastleigh 3-0 AWAY and high-flying Aldershot at home.
This was clearly the Sharps' effect still lingering.
We lost the double header to Solihull.
This was Macca's fault.
we did bounce back with an AWAY win at Braintree who were mid table at the time (a fluke)
we lost as per to FGR before losing by the odd goal vs Gateshead before winning AWAY again at southport (a fluke)
we losty all games in March by the odd goal including a great display vs Tranmere.
We won a huge away game at Torquay (fluke - 10 men etc)
Just looking at perspective. Yes this has been a bad run, but you cannot claim Sharps as some messiah.
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Post by Jeff on Apr 24, 2017 12:22:13 GMT
I do think the players have let him down after the play-offs were out of reach as said elsewhere. I think the part-time assistant choice is more to do with it, rather than it being Sharps in particular (despite him being the messiah). McCarthy has looked lost at time on the touchline with no-one to bounce off - and this was HIS choice don't forget.
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Post by blues on Apr 24, 2017 12:33:33 GMT
Stop talking sense Krankie's Ghost, you know this forum is only for mass hysteria, total overreacting and nasty sniping.
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Post by Krankie's Ghost on Apr 24, 2017 12:37:09 GMT
Only if we allow it to be, blues.
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Post by sqzl on Apr 24, 2017 15:30:42 GMT
My farts smelt better before Sharps left.
In fairness, i agree it wasn't all Sharps, but i'm still concerned with JM's lack of ability to turn it around. Reminds me of the Keith Curle era, only we were far better in the first half of the season that year! KC was eventually sacked on that poor run..
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Post by richard on Apr 24, 2017 15:36:36 GMT
Ian Sharps left on the 15th November 2017 just after the 2-2 draw with Tranmere. before he left we had: been done 3-0 by Gateshead beaten 3-1 at home by Maidstone lost 3-2 to Barrow lost 3-1 to woking. beaten 2-1 at home by FGR who took the p*ss So, this amazing defence that sharps built was conceding quite alot actually. or was that McCarthy's fault? we then went on a 7 game run without conceding This was Sharps' brilliance. Or was the above conceding spree MCcarthy's Fault and then Sharps took over? i forget. It did coincide with Hughes and Astles getting a partnership going, which was OBVIOUSLY sharps' idea. We lost away at lowly Southport in the FA cup to a scruffy goal. Ian Sharps was still assistant but it had nothing to do with him. We then got hit for 5 (yes FIVE) by Lincoln. Sharps was still here but again, it had nothing to do with him. But wait Macca picked the team so it is HIS FAULT but Macca picked the teams that went 7 games without conceding THIS IS SHARPS' doing. [then sharps left] we went 8 games without defeat after sharps left. Included in that we beat Eastleigh 3-0 AWAY and high-flying Aldershot at home. This was clearly the Sharps' effect still lingering. We lost the double header to Solihull. This was Macca's fault. we did bounce back with an AWAY win at Braintree who were mid table at the time (a fluke) we lost as per to FGR before losing by the odd goal vs Gateshead before winning AWAY again at southport (a fluke) we losty all games in March by the odd goal including a great display vs Tranmere. We won a huge away game at Torquay (fluke - 10 men etc) Just looking at perspective. Yes this has been a bad run, but you cannot claim Sharps as some messiah. Totally agree with this post. Makes complete sense. |
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Post by Superman on Apr 24, 2017 15:54:44 GMT
How many games after Sharps left was big Chris brought in? Yet another factor in this intrigue! My gut instinct is that Jon trusted Ian Sharps implicitly, and they forged a good management team that was trusted by the players. I might be wrong but there does not seem to be the same level of trust between JM and CI with others being delegated to carry out both coaching and match day functions, occasionally leading to farcical situations on the touch line.
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Post by chesterken on Apr 24, 2017 16:26:54 GMT
My farts smelt better before Sharps left. In fairness, i agree it wasn't all Sharps, but i'm still concerned with JM's lack of ability to turn it around. Reminds me of the Keith Curle era, only we were far better in the first half of the season that year! KC was eventually sacked on that poor run.. Lots of top managers have been unable to turn around slumps in form , the special one at Chelsea being one |
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Post by sqzl on Apr 24, 2017 16:50:52 GMT
My farts smelt better before Sharps left. In fairness, i agree it wasn't all Sharps, but i'm still concerned with JM's lack of ability to turn it around. Reminds me of the Keith Curle era, only we were far better in the first half of the season that year! KC was eventually sacked on that poor run.. Lots of top managers have been unable to turn around slumps in form , the special one at Chelsea being one Yes but he's had a proven track record at more than one club. JM hasn't got that privilege. This is his first real test as a manager and the way he's handled it so far has been poor. Turning on fans, calling out deva chat posters, all signs of weakness for me. He should be saying he understands the fans frustration and he's going to work twice as hard to fix that. |
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Post by MPW on Apr 24, 2017 17:12:17 GMT
It's the fact that Macca refuses to acknowledge the poor run of form that is annoying a lot of people.
If he just came out and said that it wasn't good enough and things must improve then it wouldn't be so bad, but he doesn't see our concerns and wants to keep the squad together which is worrying.
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Post by soulseal on Apr 24, 2017 18:18:30 GMT
Bobby Williamson, Keith Curle, Jon McCarthy all had significant poor runs after very good starts.
Interestingly they all have a significant football related failing......
They managed Chester 😬
I think the answer is here...
No budget left to bolster the squad when injuries bite, a club in a City with little football history so a fickle crowd and too many players at the twilight or start of their careers to either care or have the nouse to change it.
Oh OK and they are crap man managers
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Post by peterkaysock on Apr 24, 2017 18:41:15 GMT
Some mentioned Curles demise all related to players wages not being paid. This was a regular occurrence when Vaughan was in control. This was when he had a VAT return.
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Post by Jeff on Apr 25, 2017 6:20:59 GMT
It's funny that the usual suspects who have been banging on about it all being sharps haven't touched this thread.
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Post by sirfred on Apr 25, 2017 6:35:24 GMT
OK will concede that Mccarthy has been crap all season
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Post by true on Apr 25, 2017 7:02:20 GMT
OK will concede that Mccarthy has been crap all season 100% correct, he relied on Sharps. Within 3 or 4 weeks of him leaving the collapse was down to Macarthy alone, he has to go, especially as he still thinks he has done well, bloody frightening !! |
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Post by Dodge on Apr 25, 2017 8:17:58 GMT
We were never going to be able to sustain a play off push with the smallest squad in the league riddled with injuries. That run of not conceding probably took a lot out of the team and not only have they ran out of steam, they've collapsed. You only have to look at Ryan Lloyd and James Alabi to see how fatigued the squad are.
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Post by billyw on Apr 25, 2017 9:10:52 GMT
It's funny that the usual suspects who have been banging on about it all being sharps haven't touched this thread. TLDR. I concede that we had a poor start to the season, losing half a dozen games but we then got oerganised got the players fitter and went on that terrific run. Following Sharps departure we did ok for a month, probably still living on Sharps legacy but thereafter it has been a complete shambles, no fitness, no tactics, no loan signings, players out of position etc. Absolutely clueless but if you think McCarthy is doing a good job, you are entitled to your opinion - let's see if you think the same come Christmas time. |
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Post by Blue4ever on Apr 25, 2017 9:42:08 GMT
It's funny that the usual suspects who have been banging on about it all being sharps haven't touched this thread. TLDR. I concede that we had a poor start to the season, losing half a dozen games but we then got oerganised got the players fitter and went on that terrific run. Following Sharps departure we did ok for a month, probably still living on Sharps legacy but thereafter it has been a complete shambles, no fitness, no tactics, no loan signings, players out of position etc. Absolutely clueless but if you think McCarthy is doing a good job, you are entitled to your opinion - let's see if you think the same come Christmas time. The only variable between pre xmas and post xmas is Sharps so it is a perfectly fair and reasonable conclusion to make that without Sharps we are not the same team. Look at the league table and it tells you that! JM is a coach end of story and Sharps was an assistant Manager, CI is simply a part time coach so we have 2 coaches at present with no management taking place hence the poor tactics, selections, continually changes to formation and team. If JM is to continue he needs a strong willed second in command who can pick up JMs slack. Personal preference is he goes and we have a new no.1 and no.2 to give us a fresh outlook. |
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Post by border collie on Apr 25, 2017 10:18:55 GMT
My farts smelt better before Sharps left. In fairness, i agree it wasn't all Sharps, but i'm still concerned with JM's lack of ability to turn it around. Reminds me of the Keith Curle era, only we were far better in the first half of the season that year! KC was eventually sacked on that poor run.. HOW MANY TIMES DO PEOPLE LIKE YOU NEED TELLING "KEITH CURLE WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR POOR RUN OF FORM BECAUSE HIS PLAYERS WERENT BEING PAID . Jon McCarthys players are being paid ,so he has no excuse |
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Post by sqzl on Apr 25, 2017 12:12:02 GMT
My farts smelt better before Sharps left. In fairness, i agree it wasn't all Sharps, but i'm still concerned with JM's lack of ability to turn it around. Reminds me of the Keith Curle era, only we were far better in the first half of the season that year! KC was eventually sacked on that poor run.. HOW MANY TIMES DO PEOPLE LIKE YOU NEED TELLING "KEITH CURLE WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR POOR RUN OF FORM BECAUSE HIS PLAYERS WERENT BEING PAID . Jon McCarthys players are being paid ,so he has no excuse You're missing the point. I said it reminds me of the Keith Curle era, the run of form ending in a sacking.... not comparing him to JM as a manager or the players we had then to now. How many times do people like you jump on someones back having misinterpreted what someone has said, proof read. |
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Post by Jeff on Apr 25, 2017 13:05:17 GMT
It's funny that the usual suspects who have been banging on about it all being sharps haven't touched this thread. TLDR. I concede that we had a poor start to the season, losing half a dozen games but we then got oerganised got the players fitter and went on that terrific run. Following Sharps departure we did ok for a month, probably still living on Sharps legacy but thereafter it has been a complete shambles, no fitness, no tactics, no loan signings, players out of position etc. Absolutely clueless but if you think McCarthy is doing a good job, you are entitled to your opinion - let's see if you think the same come Christmas time. Why is it Sharps' legacy? How can you attribute the good run to Sharps and not McCarthy? It's not the only variable at all - what results show is there was only one consistent throughout the good run - Macca. When sharps left that run continued showing that it was Macca - who is, after all, the manager who picks the team and the tactics. It was Macca's good run as much as this is Macca's bad run. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 25, 2017 13:33:20 GMT
TLDR. I concede that we had a poor start to the season, losing half a dozen games but we then got oerganised got the players fitter and went on that terrific run. Following Sharps departure we did ok for a month, probably still living on Sharps legacy but thereafter it has been a complete shambles, no fitness, no tactics, no loan signings, players out of position etc. Absolutely clueless but if you think McCarthy is doing a good job, you are entitled to your opinion - let's see if you think the same come Christmas time. Why is it Sharps' legacy? How can you attribute the good run to Sharps and not McCarthy? It's not the only variable at all - what results show is there was only one consistent throughout the good run - Macca. When sharps left that run continued showing that it was Macca - who is, after all, the manager who picks the team and the tactics. It was Macca's good run as much as this is Macca's bad run. Do you not just think it could be a simple case that it took a few games for 'Macca' to unravel the previous good work with his tinkering and changing. I would also imagine Sharps was very good at hammering and re-enforcing some of the key points regarding shape and organisation. I can't imagine 'Macca' enforcing anything. |
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Post by billyw on Apr 25, 2017 14:31:27 GMT
Why is it Sharps' legacy? How can you attribute the good run to Sharps and not McCarthy? It's not the only variable at all - what results show is there was only one consistent throughout the good run - Macca. When sharps left that run continued showing that it was Macca - who is, after all, the manager who picks the team and the tactics. It was Macca's good run as much as this is Macca's bad run. Do you not just think it could be a simple case that it took a few games for 'Macca' to unravel the previous good work with his tinkering and changing. I would also imagine Sharps was very good at hammering and re-enforcing some of the key points regarding shape and organisation. I can't imagine 'Macca' enforcing anything. Totally agree but I'm afraid the friends of 'Jon' and 'Macca' will not accept it until they see the trouble we will be in by Christmas. He's a nice man don't you know. |
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Post by Jeff on Apr 25, 2017 15:06:42 GMT
"Unravel the good work done by Sharps"
Really?
Listen, he cannot be defended on this poor run and his odd interviews but it seems completely far-fetched to say that Sharps ran the place in the good times and McCarthy ruined it all when he left. It's just nonsense
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Post by mistified on Apr 25, 2017 15:14:45 GMT
"Unravel the good work done by Sharps" Really? Listen, he cannot be defended on this poor run and his odd interviews but it seems completely far-fetched to say that Sharps ran the place in the good times and McCarthy ruined it all when he left. It's just nonsense Why is it nonsense, the stastiscs are ther for every one to see, within 4 weeks of Sharps leaving Mac tinkerman proceeded to undo all the work done before. To the extent that we have not won at home since December 17 the 2016 , and now have the worst form record since Christmas , he Mac, Jon ot whatever you prefer to call him, has to go ASAP |
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Post by mistified on Apr 25, 2017 15:16:06 GMT
Please excuse my typing errors , oops!
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Post by btb on Apr 25, 2017 15:18:12 GMT
One thing is a fact, and that is Chester FC with Sharpes as a coach were in far better shape than when he wasn't.
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Post by Jeff on Apr 25, 2017 15:24:29 GMT
Look at the original thread again. We had big defeats with Sharps as well as the good wins. Why are the good results not down to the actual manager? He continued to get good results AFTER sharps had left and yet it was somehow still the assistants doing? makes no sense to me.
Yes the recent run has been bad and some selections baffling but ultimately its the same manager who got the good results with AND WITHOUT sharps, just as our bad start was WITH SHARPS. We conceded loads at first but then tightened up - why would this be the assistant's doing? It was McCarthy picking the team and the tactics. After sharps left McCarthy continued doing what he was doing.
He has struggled through injury and certain players letting him down in 2017, i'm not saying Sharps did nothing, of course the pairing was better than Iwelumo but to put the good run down to sharps and say McCarthy unravelled everything Sharps did leading to the bad run is nonsense i'm afraid (in my opinion obviously)
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Post by chums on Apr 25, 2017 15:38:53 GMT
Look at the original thread again. We had big defeats with Sharps as well as the good wins. Why are the good results not down to the actual manager? He continued to get good results AFTER sharps had left and yet it was somehow still the assistants doing? makes no sense to me. Yes the recent run has been bad and some selections baffling but ultimately its the same manager who got the good results with AND WITHOUT sharps, just as our bad start was WITH SHARPS. We conceded loads at first but then tightened up - why would this be the assistant's doing? It was McCarthy picking the team and the tactics. After sharps left McCarthy continued doing what he was doing. He has struggled through injury and certain players letting him down in 2017, i'm not saying Sharps did nothing, of course the pairing was better than Iwelumo but to put the good run down to sharps and say McCarthy unravelled everything Sharps did leading to the bad run is nonsense i'm afraid (in my opinion obviously) Are you family or a friend of our manager, your comments point that way, or you are happy to pay to watch crap for the last 4 months or more !! |
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Post by richard on Apr 25, 2017 15:52:35 GMT
Look at the original thread again. We had big defeats with Sharps as well as the good wins. Why are the good results not down to the actual manager? He continued to get good results AFTER sharps had left and yet it was somehow still the assistants doing? makes no sense to me. Yes the recent run has been bad and some selections baffling but ultimately its the same manager who got the good results with AND WITHOUT sharps, just as our bad start was WITH SHARPS. We conceded loads at first but then tightened up - why would this be the assistant's doing? It was McCarthy picking the team and the tactics. After sharps left McCarthy continued doing what he was doing. He has struggled through injury and certain players letting him down in 2017, i'm not saying Sharps did nothing, of course the pairing was better than Iwelumo but to put the good run down to sharps and say McCarthy unravelled everything Sharps did leading to the bad run is nonsense i'm afraid (in my opinion obviously) Are you family or a friend of our manager, your comments point that way, or you are happy to pay to watch crap for the last 4 months or more !! Chums, Not agreeing with you does not mean that Jeff is a family member or a friend. I don't agree with you either and I can assure you that does not mean that I share any DNA with the manager, nor is he a personal friend. |
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