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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 21, 2021 15:26:02 GMT
Here we go, we’ve been infiltrated by the tin hat-wearing Flat Earth lizard people Bill Gates microchip 5G Covid hoax wackos.
Yes I will continue to be vaccinated against this virus, as someone who works full-time in the NHS and who was redeployed to a Covid testing centre at the height of the pandemic, I am all too well aware of what measures we need to take to protect people 👍🏻
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Post by vandycandy on Dec 21, 2021 15:30:04 GMT
Here we go, we’ve been infiltrated by the tin hat-wearing Flat Earth lizard people Bill Gates microchip 5G Covid hoax wackos. Yes I will continue to be vaccinated against this virus, as someone who works full-time in the NHS and who was redeployed to a Covid testing centre at the height of the pandemic, I am all too well aware of what measures we need to take to protect people 👍🏻 Just because we don't have the same view as yourself. Incredibly presumptuous bloke. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 21, 2021 15:31:29 GMT
Phrases like “don’t comply” are straight out of their playbook.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 21, 2021 15:32:38 GMT
I think the point of lockdowns is to flatten the curve of infection, thereby preventing the NHS being overwhelmed. Of course cases will rise again when restrictions are relaxed but in the meantime if you or me falls off our bike we might just get a hospital bed without having to lie in a corridor for half a day, or wait for hours for an ambulance. Now that really would be bloody ridiculous. The NHS works for us as we all pay for it. It isn't the other way round although it's unfit for purpose anyway. Just stop complying with all this useless embarrassing nonsense or it'll never end. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Even if it's not fit for purpose, it's not like many of us can sack it off and use someone else, so it's better to try and ease the pressure on it, and not listening to health advice won't do that. I'd agree some sort of long-term vision is needed as this can't go on forever. A nurse I know reckons 80-90% of people in hospital with Covid are unvaccinated so it seems to me that somehow getting through to these people is the main problem. Anyway this has ceased to have anything to do with football so I'm moving it to off-topic. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 21, 2021 15:37:27 GMT
A nurse I know reckons 80-90% of people in hospital with Covid are unvaccinated so it seems to me that somehow getting through to these people is the main problem. Its the same response across the country from those on the frontline - the high numbers of hospitalisations arising from the same group of people who are telling us all to just “get on with it” and “don’t comply”. The amount of “I wish I had got vaccinated” stories is ridiculous, sadly too late for some of them and their grieving families. These people are the ones to blame, nobody else. Starting to agree with lockdowns for the non-vaccinated to be honest. |
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Dec 21, 2021 15:37:28 GMT
Spot on AGL. People wetting their beds over the idea of ensuring our health service can cope as best as possible. That’s what’s embarrassing. Keep up with your boosters like a good boy Frank. This is it. I have had my booster and will continue to get the inevitable annual one. But people were told that they were the way out of this, and there are enough idiots out there who will say they don’t work etc. because of any new restrictions. They will use it as an argument that they don’t work because we still need to stop crowds. Enough has been done in terms of restrictions, and if that means mandating the vaccine or having lockdowns for solely unvaccinated then so be it. Because I’m fed up of being plunged back into restrictions every few months because of the selfish few who won’t bother, and people will stop complying with them. I am pro science, pro vaccine etc. Have been pro lockdowns in the past but enough is enough. |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 21, 2021 16:36:47 GMT
Having chatted to an anti-vaxxer recently, there are definitely some that are resolved on their stance and will not be persuaded.
However, I also think there are some who are just a bit impressionable. They've seen something on Facebook and just need someone in a lab coat to tell them the opposite.
When you get your jabs, they chat with you about the possible side effects, ask if you have any questions and ask you to confirm you want the jab. That part of it isn't being publicised much. Encourage people to make an appointment even if they're not sure they want it, and allow them to discuss their concerns with a medic. If doing that persuades even a small number of them it's worthwhile.
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Post by bluejay on Dec 21, 2021 17:36:02 GMT
I'm one of those people. I spend 2-3 hours a day researching the topic because I desperately want a definitive answer one way or the other and I can't find one. I have 2 science degrees and a masters. I spent 20 years an Ops Manager and Director, so my job was sifting through and understanding data as well as spotting where someone was trying to sell me short (carefully selected axes on graphs and one-sided narratives always a favourite) and I became deeply uncomfortable with this whole thing some time ago. The narrative that the unvaccinated are causing the problem is simply not borne out by the data. I have a colleague in school who loves to check on the hospitalisations in the UK and all the data is available, albeit in spreadsheet form, so a little digging is needed. Around 30% of the ICU beds taken up by COVID patients are unvaccinated. Only 6% (or 7,000) of the total ICU beds are taken up by COVID patients. A couple of days ago around 15,000 out of the 110,000 available were empty. The leaps of logic required to say firstly that another lockdown is required (based this time solely on models, not NHS bosses this year) and then to blame it on unvaccinated people is too much for me. dailysceptic.org/2021/12/22/leaked-nhs-report-claims-hospitals-in-london-likely-to-be-overwhelmed-within-three-weeks-weve-heard-that-before/I had a nasty vaccine injury 20 years ago which I still take medication for. I had COVID in the summer so I have natural immunity that is superior to vaccine immunity. And it has become acceptable to 'other' me - to lock me in my house or force me to have a vaccine. I'm labelled an anti-vaxxer and a conspiracy theorist because my opinion differs from most others. Has no-one read a history book? We are so easily riled up like this to the 'enemy within' and we fall for it every time. And you can find these opinions very close to mainstream now. I have always considered myself a socialist but the only people speaking for me at the moment are libertarians and conservatives. So Spiked, Planet Normal, Triggernometry and London Calling have replaced Novara Media and the New Statesman for me. Sorry to have taken this much of your time, but I get upset by some of the more stringent views and want to put over a rational case for my position and ask you pause for thought before calling for me to be locked up. I promise you that the people you are setting up against want the best for you as well, they just have real doubts about the motives behind this whole situation. There are plenty of times in history where those holding minority viewpoints have been right and almost as many where they have been unfairly demonised. It's not the unvaccinated that are a threat to our civil liberties, it's a political position where our hospitals cannot cope with a winter spike in demand. You might as well blame the obese, the smokers, motorcyclists or heavy drinkers for putting pressure on the health service. Deep breath and let's all have a fantastic Christmas with those we love. Anyway, no-one will see this now that it's (rightly) Off Topic 🙄 |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 22, 2021 9:44:25 GMT
I'm one of those people. I spend 2-3 hours a day researching the topic because I desperately want a definitive answer one way or the other and I can't find one. I have 2 science degrees and a masters. I spent 20 years an Ops Manager and Director, so my job was sifting through and understanding data as well as spotting where someone was trying to sell me short (carefully selected axes on graphs and one-sided narratives always a favourite) and I became deeply uncomfortable with this whole thing some time ago. The narrative that the unvaccinated are causing the problem is simply not borne out by the data. I have a colleague in school who loves to check on the hospitalisations in the UK and all the data is available, albeit in spreadsheet form, so a little digging is needed. Around 30% of the ICU beds taken up by COVID patients are unvaccinated. Only 6% (or 7,000) of the total ICU beds are taken up by COVID patients. A couple of days ago around 15,000 out of the 110,000 available were empty. The leaps of logic required to say firstly that another lockdown is required (based this time solely on models, not NHS bosses this year) and then to blame it on unvaccinated people is too much for me. dailysceptic.org/2021/12/22/leaked-nhs-report-claims-hospitals-in-london-likely-to-be-overwhelmed-within-three-weeks-weve-heard-that-before/I had a nasty vaccine injury 20 years ago which I still take medication for. I had COVID in the summer so I have natural immunity that is superior to vaccine immunity. And it has become acceptable to 'other' me - to lock me in my house or force me to have a vaccine. I'm labelled an anti-vaxxer and a conspiracy theorist because my opinion differs from most others. Has no-one read a history book? We are so easily riled up like this to the 'enemy within' and we fall for it every time. And you can find these opinions very close to mainstream now. I have always considered myself a socialist but the only people speaking for me at the moment are libertarians and conservatives. So Spiked, Planet Normal, Triggernometry and London Calling have replaced Novara Media and the New Statesman for me. Sorry to have taken this much of your time, but I get upset by some of the more stringent views and want to put over a rational case for my position and ask you pause for thought before calling for me to be locked up. I promise you that the people you are setting up against want the best for you as well, they just have real doubts about the motives behind this whole situation. There are plenty of times in history where those holding minority viewpoints have been right and almost as many where they have been unfairly demonised. It's not the unvaccinated that are a threat to our civil liberties, it's a political position where our hospitals cannot cope with a winter spike in demand. You might as well blame the obese, the smokers, motorcyclists or heavy drinkers for putting pressure on the health service. Deep breath and let's all have a fantastic Christmas with those we love. Anyway, no-one will see this now that it's (rightly) Off Topic 🙄 Thanks for sharing this. It's an interesting and thought-provoking perspective. The figures you've given may well be correct, but you would have to break them down further to give an accurate reflection of the effectiveness of the vaccine. On the face of it, for 30% to be unvaccinated in hospital suggests little effect when about two thirds of the population is supposedly vaccinated, but what if, for example, the 30% of unvaccinated are all under 40 and in good health, while the vaccinated 70% are all over 75. I know it won't be that stark but that's just an example. As I said, I'd suggest you book an appointment, discuss what you're worried about and hear them out. If you still don't want the vaccine, fair enough. If my booster appointment yesterday is anything to go by, it really isn't that busy in these vaccination centres at the moment. |
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Post by archwhopper on Dec 22, 2021 10:14:58 GMT
How's about we just have a full scale lockdown where nobody can leave the house again only this time we have it for the rest of our lives. That ought to satisfy the scaremongers. All these variants will keep presenting themselves so just deal with it. A lockdown won't do a damn thing when they reopen up everything & wonder why the cases will rise once more. Bloody Ridiculous. How sweet of them though to let us all enjoy Christmas. I think the point of lockdowns is to flatten the curve of infection, thereby preventing the NHS being overwhelmed. Of course cases will rise again when restrictions are relaxed but in the meantime if you or me falls off our bike we might just get a hospital bed without having to lie in a corridor for half a day, or wait for hours for an ambulance. Now that really would be bloody ridiculous. if they shut the pubs down aswell less chance of falling off your bike on the way home, more chance of ending up in a padded cell if everything lockdown, seems to me the vaccination programme works but upto each person whether they take it up, drakeford would have everyone changing their undies everytime they drop their guts, so it's no surprise whats happening over the border |
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