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Post by Johnnybling on Apr 29, 2017 17:19:23 GMT
We have taken 16 points p 23 w 5 d 1 l 17 UNBELIEVABLE
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Post by billyw on Apr 29, 2017 17:31:09 GMT
We have taken 16 points p 23 w 5 d 1 l 17 UNBELIEVABLE Very lucky to get those 16. where are the 'Jon' supporters tonight - have they finally seen the light  |
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Post by tarvinblue on Apr 29, 2017 17:36:51 GMT
Richard will be attending the Awards Party, shaking Jon's hand and wishing him the best for next season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 17:38:11 GMT
We have taken 16 points p 23 w 5 d 1 l 17 UNBELIEVABLE Very lucky to get those 16. where are the 'Jon' supporters tonight - have they finally seen the light All getting ready to celebrate a successful campaign at the Crowne Plaza tonight |
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Post by Blue Trev on Apr 29, 2017 17:41:38 GMT
Being a little more light-hearted, what should the "fans" award to Jon be tonight ? As it would a shame for him to miss out on the success of such an "outstanding" season.
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Post by billyw on Apr 29, 2017 17:42:31 GMT
Very lucky to get those 16. where are the 'Jon' supporters tonight - have they finally seen the light All getting ready to celebrate a successful campaign at the Crowne Plaza tonight Of course - cosying up to him because he's such ' a nice man'  |
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Post by muchwenlock on Apr 29, 2017 17:47:45 GMT
Being a little more light-hearted, what should the "fans" award to Jon be tonight ? As it would a shame for him to miss out on the success of such an "outstanding" season. Its got to be the shunter blue trophy for worst impression of a football manager !!! |
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Post by billyw on Apr 29, 2017 17:50:43 GMT
Being a little more light-hearted, what should the "fans" award to Jon be tonight ? As it would a shame for him to miss out on the success of such an "outstanding" season. A signed photo of Ian Sharps - the ONLY reason McCarthy is in a job. |
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Post by Singing the Blues on Apr 29, 2017 17:52:45 GMT
All getting ready to celebrate a successful campaign at the Crowne Plaza tonight Of course - cosying up to him because he's such ' a nice man' Free lessons for a year on how to manage a football team. |
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Post by richard on Apr 29, 2017 19:41:35 GMT
Richard will be attending the Awards Party, shaking Jon's hand and wishing him the best for next season. Sorry to disappoint you Tarvin, but I'm not there. I take no satisfaction in our form, it hurts me as much as anyone. Ill be there next season supporting my team in as positive way I can, preferably not wallowing in misery. |
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Post by Pseudoscally on Apr 29, 2017 19:46:51 GMT
Richard will be attending the Awards Party, shaking Jon's hand and wishing him the best for next season. Sorry to disappoint you Tarvin, but I'm not there. I take no satisfaction in our form, it hurts me as much as anyone. Ill be there next season supporting my team in as positive way I can, preferably not wallowing in misery. I shall be there too but probably not quite as often. Do you think it's time for McCarthy to go now? |
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Post by boughtonblue on Apr 29, 2017 19:47:19 GMT
We have taken 16 points p 23 w 5 d 1 l 17 UNBELIEVABLE Very lucky to get those 16. where are the 'Jon' supporters tonight - have they finally seen the light I like Jon and think he is the right person to lead us to our natural level. |
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Post by Blue Trev on Apr 29, 2017 19:58:25 GMT
Very lucky to get those 16. where are the 'Jon' supporters tonight - have they finally seen the light I like Jon and think he is the right person to lead us to our natural level. I think you may well be right, and in a downward direction. But, I also smell the whiff of goat here ! |
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Post by richard on Apr 29, 2017 20:06:59 GMT
Sorry to disappoint you Tarvin, but I'm not there. I take no satisfaction in our form, it hurts me as much as anyone. Ill be there next season supporting my team in as positive way I can, preferably not wallowing in misery. I shall be there too but probably not quite as often. Do you think it's time for McCarthy to go now? Had the manager been able to strengthen in the New Year, I believe we could have faired much better in the second half of the season. It's not his fault that he couldn't when injuries and suspensions hit the squad I've said before that some of us didn't get too excited when we reached the heady heights of 7th place as it was clear that we didn't have the strength in depth to keep the run going. That said, it has been very poor at times and frustrating for everyone. Dealing with disappointment is tough, especially the home from. Realistically, I expected a struggle this season and we got one . The balancing act of staying in the league and remaining solvent is a delicate process. Anyway, to answer your question, no I would prefer to keep him. |
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Post by Blue Trev on Apr 29, 2017 20:39:26 GMT
I shall be there too but probably not quite as often. Do you think it's time for McCarthy to go now? Had the manager been able to strengthen in the New Year, I believe we could have faired much better in the second half of the season. It's not his fault that he couldn't when injuries and suspensions hit the squad I've said before that some of us didn't get too excited when we reached the heady heights of 7th place as it was clear that we didn't have the strength in depth to keep the run going. That said, it has been very poor at times and frustrating for everyone. Dealing with disappointment is tough, especially the home from. Realistically, I expected a struggle this season and we got one . The balancing act of staying in the league and remaining solvent is a delicate process. Anyway, to answer your question, no I would prefer to keep him. Hi Richard, i'm interested to hear another perspective on the position. So, what gives you the confidence that McCarthy has the ability to turn things round, and not repeat such an appalling run of form and such unacceptable performances next season ? I'm not going to repeat them, but the stats over the last 5 months have been utterly damning. I hear what you say about the lack of strength in depth, but this is his squad afterall, and some of his recruitment was suspect to say the least. Do you really trust him to use the Hughes money wisely? |
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Post by Pseudoscally on Apr 29, 2017 20:40:49 GMT
I shall be there too but probably not quite as often. Do you think it's time for McCarthy to go now? Had the manager been able to strengthen in the New Year, I believe we could have faired much better in the second half of the season. It's not his fault that he couldn't when injuries and suspensions hit the squad I've said before that some of us didn't get too excited when we reached the heady heights of 7th place as it was clear that we didn't have the strength in depth to keep the run going. That said, it has been very poor at times and frustrating for everyone. Dealing with disappointment is tough, especially the home from. Realistically, I expected a struggle this season and we got one . The balancing act of staying in the league and remaining solvent is a delicate process. Anyway, to answer your question, no I would prefer to keep him. The injuries and suspensions thing doesn't wash with me. Apart from Mahon (who did look to be getting back to his best) who else have we missed long term? Akintude? The spine of our team has been available for selection. The tinkering has been mostly McCarthy's doing. Hughes from center back to right back to center back again. Hudson, Tom shaw, Lloyd, Astles, Alabi, Durrell, Hunt, Richards have all be ever present but all played in numerous positions. We've done 4-4-2, 3-5-2, 5-3-2, 4-3-3, 4-3-2-1. I think the players really dont know what McCarthy wants from them from one game to the next and unfortunately it's apparent they have lost respect for the managers decisions. 10 games ago I was you and thought we should give him chance to turn things around especially as financially he has us over a barrel. Now, I think it would be financial suicide to keep him. |
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Post by billyw on Apr 30, 2017 7:52:44 GMT
I shall be there too but probably not quite as often. Do you think it's time for McCarthy to go now? Had the manager been able to strengthen in the New Year, I believe we could have faired much better in the second half of the season. It's not his fault that he couldn't when injuries and suspensions hit the squad I've said before that some of us didn't get too excited when we reached the heady heights of 7th place as it was clear that we didn't have the strength in depth to keep the run going. That said, it has been very poor at times and frustrating for everyone. Dealing with disappointment is tough, especially the home from. Realistically, I expected a struggle this season and we got one . The balancing act of staying in the league and remaining solvent is a delicate process. Anyway, to answer your question, no I would prefer to keep him. Richard, I know you like 'Jon' but I fail to see how as a keen fan, you want to keep him. This man will destroy our club if he is manager next season. |
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Post by richard on Apr 30, 2017 10:09:50 GMT
Had the manager been able to strengthen in the New Year, I believe we could have faired much better in the second half of the season. It's not his fault that he couldn't when injuries and suspensions hit the squad I've said before that some of us didn't get too excited when we reached the heady heights of 7th place as it was clear that we didn't have the strength in depth to keep the run going. That said, it has been very poor at times and frustrating for everyone. Dealing with disappointment is tough, especially the home from. Realistically, I expected a struggle this season and we got one . The balancing act of staying in the league and remaining solvent is a delicate process. Anyway, to answer your question, no I would prefer to keep him. Richard, I know you like 'Jon' but I fail to see how as a keen fan, you want to keep him. This man will destroy our club if he is manager next season. Billy, it seems that we will fail to agree on this one as you seem intent on the Sharps factor being the reason for our pre Christmas successes and our post Christmas demise. I just don't agree. Yes, I do like Jon, but I like to think that has nothing to do with my support for him, indeed I prefer to look at the facts and make considered judgments from such data. This season we have won or drawn more games than we have lost, despite all the challenges along the way that have been discussed in detail many times on here, things like injuries, suspensions that have bitten hard in the second half of the season. Truth be told, I think The manager has been let down by a number of players and I would have understood, perhaps even preferred it if the management had been a little harder on the under performers. However, Jon is a very loyal person and he has tried really hard to motivate a young squad, who in my opinion never got their heads up properly after the near miss at Dagenham. That brings me to the often quoted matter of how "lucky" we were to win 3 away games that ultimately saw us survive. I can accept that some luck is intrinsically linked to every team, in every campaign. But to focus on those 3 away wins as lucky is only fair if the same people recognise in their arguments that we have been unlucky in some games, which we have. So what we see is a consistent number of posters offering multiple posts on the same subject, ignoring any sense of reasonable debate to further their own argument. I'm fine with anyone having a say, that's what a forum like this is all about. However, what is unfair is the apparent personal pops that people suffer if they days e to take a different view. I'm not including you in this Billy. I know we don't agree on some matters, but at least you don't have a gratuitous pop at someone who dares to differ. In summary, the manager will have to make some big decisions during the closed season. I'd like to see the results of that decision making before making any further comment. |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 30, 2017 12:24:28 GMT
16 points from exactly half a season, if sustained, is 32 points in a season. Southport and North Ferriby finished bottom with 39, so basically we've spent the second half of the season in comfortable wooden spoon form.
If we'd done the season the opposite way round, staying up would've seemed a phenomenal achievement. As it is, it feels phenomally disappointing.
Macca may have a point that keeping Chester up is an achievement in itself, but he has to see that the way we did it is not sustainable. We can't expect to pull a 17-game run of playoff form out of nowhere and fall back on that just to survive. I'm confused by his point about 'knowing' we were safe after the Torquay game. It's almost as if he's suggesting that losing the last six games doesn't matter and was part of the plan, even though there were home games against York and Woking among them. It was certainly a risky strategy if true, and one there was seemingly little to gain from!
Everyone went into yesterday's game with pretty low expectations, but I still think we were all a bit shocked by the whimper we went out with. It was possibly our worst performance of a disappointing season, and coupled with the Sutton hammering, it's left fans worried that we're going from a limited team of huffers and puffers, to one that's just an easy three points for the opposition, and there seems to be little in the way of even acknowledging the concern.
It's going to be at least August before we win a game at home in 2017. Have we ever got that far into a calendar year without winning at home?
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Post by Memory Man on Apr 30, 2017 13:07:22 GMT
16 points from exactly half a season, if sustained, is 32 points in a season. Southport and North Ferriby finished bottom with 39, so basically we've spent the second half of the season in comfortable wooden spoon form. If we'd done the season the opposite way round, staying up would've seemed a phenomenal achievement. As it is, it feels phenomally disappointing. Macca may have a point that keeping Chester up is an achievement in itself, but he has to see that the way we did it is not sustainable. We can't expect to pull a 17-game run of playoff form out of nowhere and fall back on that just to survive. I'm confused by his point about 'knowing' we were safe after the Torquay game. It's almost as if he's suggesting that losing the last six games doesn't matter and was part of the plan, even though there were home games against York and Woking among them. It was certainly a risky strategy if true, and one there was seemingly little to gain from! Everyone went into yesterday's game with pretty low expectations, but I still think we were all a bit shocked by the whimper we went out with. It was possibly our worst performance of a disappointing season, and coupled with the Sutton hammering, it's left fans worried that we're going from a limited team of huffers and puffers, to one that's just an easy three points for the opposition, and there seems to be little in the way of even acknowledging the concern. It's going to be at least August before we win a game at home in 2017. Have we ever got that far into a calendar year without winning at home? In 2009 we didn't win at home until September. |
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Post by billyw on Apr 30, 2017 14:07:08 GMT
16 points from exactly half a season, if sustained, is 32 points in a season. Southport and North Ferriby finished bottom with 39, so basically we've spent the second half of the season in comfortable wooden spoon form. If we'd done the season the opposite way round, staying up would've seemed a phenomenal achievement. As it is, it feels phenomally disappointing. Macca may have a point that keeping Chester up is an achievement in itself, but he has to see that the way we did it is not sustainable. We can't expect to pull a 17-game run of playoff form out of nowhere and fall back on that just to survive. I'm confused by his point about 'knowing' we were safe after the Torquay game. It's almost as if he's suggesting that losing the last six games doesn't matter and was part of the plan, even though there were home games against York and Woking among them. It was certainly a risky strategy if true, and one there was seemingly little to gain from! Everyone went into yesterday's game with pretty low expectations, but I still think we were all a bit shocked by the whimper we went out with. It was possibly our worst performance of a disappointing season, and coupled with the Sutton hammering, it's left fans worried that we're going from a limited team of huffers and puffers, to one that's just an easy three points for the opposition, and there seems to be little in the way of even acknowledging the concern. It's going to be at least August before we win a game at home in 2017. Have we ever got that far into a calendar year without winning at home? In 2009 we didn't win at home until September. And look what happened to us then. |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 30, 2017 14:30:57 GMT
16 points from exactly half a season, if sustained, is 32 points in a season. Southport and North Ferriby finished bottom with 39, so basically we've spent the second half of the season in comfortable wooden spoon form. If we'd done the season the opposite way round, staying up would've seemed a phenomenal achievement. As it is, it feels phenomally disappointing. Macca may have a point that keeping Chester up is an achievement in itself, but he has to see that the way we did it is not sustainable. We can't expect to pull a 17-game run of playoff form out of nowhere and fall back on that just to survive. I'm confused by his point about 'knowing' we were safe after the Torquay game. It's almost as if he's suggesting that losing the last six games doesn't matter and was part of the plan, even though there were home games against York and Woking among them. It was certainly a risky strategy if true, and one there was seemingly little to gain from! Everyone went into yesterday's game with pretty low expectations, but I still think we were all a bit shocked by the whimper we went out with. It was possibly our worst performance of a disappointing season, and coupled with the Sutton hammering, it's left fans worried that we're going from a limited team of huffers and puffers, to one that's just an easy three points for the opposition, and there seems to be little in the way of even acknowledging the concern. It's going to be at least August before we win a game at home in 2017. Have we ever got that far into a calendar year without winning at home? In 2009 we didn't win at home until September. You're right, and the same is true in 2010 actually, although we didn't have a team for a fair bit of it. Forgot for a minute how many crap second halves of a season we've had! |
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Post by blue4life on Apr 30, 2017 16:36:41 GMT
Richard will be attending the Awards Party, shaking Jon's hand and wishing him the best for next season. Is this Richard, Richard Prince by any chance? |
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Post by richard on Apr 30, 2017 16:51:11 GMT
Richard will be attending the Awards Party, shaking Jon's hand and wishing him the best for next season. Is this Richard, Richard Prince by any chance? We have the same Christian name for sure. |
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Post by billyw on Apr 30, 2017 17:01:56 GMT
16 points from exactly half a season, if sustained, is 32 points in a season. Southport and North Ferriby finished bottom with 39, so basically we've spent the second half of the season in comfortable wooden spoon form. If we'd done the season the opposite way round, staying up would've seemed a phenomenal achievement. As it is, it feels phenomally disappointing. Macca may have a point that keeping Chester up is an achievement in itself, but he has to see that the way we did it is not sustainable. We can't expect to pull a 17-game run of playoff form out of nowhere and fall back on that just to survive. I'm confused by his point about 'knowing' we were safe after the Torquay game. It's almost as if he's suggesting that losing the last six games doesn't matter and was part of the plan, even though there were home games against York and Woking among them. It was certainly a risky strategy if true, and one there was seemingly little to gain from! Everyone went into yesterday's game with pretty low expectations, but I still think we were all a bit shocked by the whimper we went out with. It was possibly our worst performance of a disappointing season, and coupled with the Sutton hammering, it's left fans worried that we're going from a limited team of huffers and puffers, to one that's just an easy three points for the opposition, and there seems to be little in the way of even acknowledging the concern. It's going to be at least August before we win a game at home in 2017. Have we ever got that far into a calendar year without winning at home? In 2009 we didn't win at home until September. I've just had a look at the squad in the 2008/9 season - we had Lawrence Wilson, Mozika, Kev Roberts, Barry, Lowe, Jay Harris, Ellison, Linwood, Mark Hughes, Rutherford, all players who went on to have decent careers and are still doing so in most cases. I don't think we should have gone out of the league with that squad but it shows if things aren't right behind the scenes, players don't perform. |
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Post by Hannibal on Apr 30, 2017 17:15:58 GMT
Most of those players played in the opening day 6-0 defeat at Dagenham. The manager was the guy who'd been promoted from youth team boss. He didn't last long.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 30, 2017 17:50:57 GMT
In 2009 we didn't win at home until September. I've just had a look at the squad in the 2008/9 season - we had Lawrence Wilson, Mozika, Kev Roberts, Barry, Lowe, Jay Harris, Ellison, Linwood, Mark Hughes, Rutherford, all players who went on to have decent careers and are still doing so in most cases. I don't think we should have gone out of the league with that squad but it shows if things aren't right behind the scenes, players don't perform. No defence though. I seem to remember Linwood really struggled as captain and was usually partnered by Roberts, who wasn't a centre half, or a young Shaun Kelly. We had 'you know who' at right back and often an out of position Antony Barry at left back. Weird how many midfielders Simon Davies seemed to want to have, but I always think you can't really judge any managers who worked until SV accurately. |
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Post by Underwhelmed and very worried on May 2, 2017 20:01:59 GMT
Just wanted to bump this to the top so we don't forget JM's record. This guy is being allowed to spend next seasons budget.
Are we all happy with that? Even if he puts a decent squad together on paper it's questionable that he has the skills to motivate and get the best out of them.
Seems that a few shown the door and some average performers from this season resigning has appeased the fans somewhat?
I am still extremely worried that next season will be a complete car crash.
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Post by Stadium way on May 2, 2017 20:13:30 GMT
This is what concerns me.I just cant get over what i have witnessed since before Xmas.Is the solihull lad going to be up front on his own like Alabi,is the whole team going to be in our box defending corners,to clear it to the opposition.A non battleing midfield.No amount of player comings and goings will get me over what i have witnessed this year.
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Post by Reality Check Blue on May 2, 2017 20:20:23 GMT
Just wanted to bump this to the top so we don't forget JM's record. This guy is being allowed to spend next seasons budget. Are we all happy with that? Even if he puts a decent squad together on paper it's questionable that he has the skills to motivate and get the best out of them. Seems that a few shown the door and some average performers from this season resigning has appeased the fans somewhat? I am still extremely worried that next season will be a complete car crash. At my age I have realised that life is much too short to worry too much about football. Whatever we think Macca is staying and will be the manager in August so we might as well be as supportive as we can and hope he proves his many critics wrong. I have my own doubts but will try to stay positive and hope he has learnt from his errors this season. |
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