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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 14, 2022 11:17:05 GMT
Are the Tories genuinely trying to tackle people trafficking or are they whipping up hate and division to appease their deeply unpleasant electoral base? Discuss.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 14, 2022 11:55:34 GMT
Your answer is provided by the skin colour of the refugees being illegally hauled onto these planes versus the skin colour of the refugees being welcomed by payments to British families for hosting them.
Horrific parallels with history here.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 14, 2022 12:05:45 GMT
There's no logic to it. It's a nasty and expensive way to deal with just a handful of people.
It's a strategy designed purely to attract a certain type of voter, and to court the right headlines from the Mail and the Express. There is no more thought behind it than that.
Also I've just read that judges will decide next month whether the policy is lawful. Call me a stickler for the rules but shouldn't that be done first before anyone is flown out? This government doesn't have a great record for not breaking the law.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 14, 2022 12:48:51 GMT
The Daily Mail has form with this. In 1938 they were complaining about “German Jews pouring into this country” through the “back door” and vigorously opposed the Kindertransport humanitarian exercise. Mind you, they were huge fans of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime, a tradition their modern day readership is keen to maintain.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 14, 2022 17:24:47 GMT
“Labour” top brass are embarrassing too - their opposition to this whole thing is solely that “it isn’t cost-effective.”
Thank God for the real people in the Labour movement speaking out.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 14, 2022 20:21:34 GMT
Anniversary of Grenfell too.
Fascist backwards island aren’t we.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 14, 2022 20:45:44 GMT
Worst England performance and result for years as well. Possibly since we lost to Iceland straight after the Brexit vote. Karma?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 14, 2022 21:18:32 GMT
Apparently although the 11 lost their appeal to the Home Office, the European Court of Human Rights has intervened and all 11 have been removed from the flight which will now not depart (even though Truss weirdly said it’d still depart even if empty).
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Post by Lobster on Jun 14, 2022 21:30:36 GMT
Apparently although the 11 lost their appeal to the Home Office, the European Court of Human Rights has intervened and all 11 have been removed from the flight which will now not depart (even though Truss weirdly said it’d still depart even if empty). Stick her on it. Don't waste the flight. Another embarrassment for this government. Why are they still here? |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 14, 2022 23:12:47 GMT
I could be wrong but hear me out on this one…
Rishi Sunak was caught smirking at the cabinet meeting this week when the Rwanda policy was being discussed. Do we now know why?
Boris Johnson knew this ECHR intervention to stop the deportations would happen - he would definitely have received legal advice. They have played this card to appeal to their base of bigots and the hard of thinking, the whole thing was a carefully prepared campaign.
Now he will play the victim and stir up anti-Europe sentiment in time for the by-elections and his support base will lap it up.
Don’t be surprised.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 15, 2022 4:53:34 GMT
Yeah, the Tories are desperate to create a culture war against ‘lefty lawyers’ and ECHR as it plays well with their bigoted voters. Sowing seeds of hate and division was always in the Tory playbook, now it’s all they have left.
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Post by Moltisanti on Jun 15, 2022 6:24:53 GMT
I could be wrong but hear me out on this one… Rishi Sunak was caught smirking at the cabinet meeting this week when the Rwanda policy was being discussed. Do we now know why? Boris Johnson knew this ECHR intervention to stop the deportations would happen - he would definitely have received legal advice. They have played this card to appeal to their base of bigots and the hard of thinking, the whole thing was a carefully prepared campaign. Now he will play the victim and stir up anti-Europe sentiment in time for the by-elections and his support base will lap it up. Don’t be surprised. 100% |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 15, 2022 8:52:26 GMT
Also I think I'm right in saying the UK government is not compelled to follow the rulings of the ECHR It usually does, but this is no "usual" government.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 15, 2022 9:47:02 GMT
When the only thing the Tories have left is deflecting all of its failures onto desperate people fleeing persecution in other countries, you know it’s pretty much plumbed the depths.
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Post by cityboy5705 on Jun 15, 2022 10:18:01 GMT
What a country we are thinking that this was gonna work go now johnson
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Post by Lobster on Jun 15, 2022 11:11:42 GMT
What a country we are thinking that this was gonna work go now johnson If the goal was just to provide a distraction from Partygate and the government's multiple other failings, while at the same time winning back Brexit voters by making a ridiculous spectacle of hardline immigration policies and "Europe" trying to stop them, then unfortunately it probably has worked. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jun 17, 2022 12:17:21 GMT
Yeah, the Tories are desperate to create a culture war against ‘lefty lawyers’ and ECHR as it plays well with their bigoted voters. Sowing seeds of hate and division was always in the Tory playbook, now it’s all they have left. Sadly, for the state of this bloody government, theres definitely some truth in this. The law allowing the Rwanda scheme doesnt actually come into force until 28 June. Therefore, it is currently illegal and easy to challenge. They could have brought the date forward, they didnt. They knew this flight would fail, as, quite simply, the law is not in force yet. Yet they continued on... knowing they would lose the argument. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jun 17, 2022 12:30:28 GMT
For me, once it was agreed that we would follow the referendum Brexit should have been far more focused on the island or Ireland than anything else. NI voted to remain and so the clear and obvious solution has always been the Irish sea border. I say that as someone clearly not immersed in the politics of NI but essentially once you go down this road you have 2 choices as to where you put the border. There was never an option to have it both ways.
Ultimately it comes down to the remain campaign and their failings which will always annoy me. I dont blame the public, everyone has their reasons and mostly centred on immigration, perhaps one of Blairs biggest legacies beyond the war is how he set us on this path. Theres a pride which comes with being an island nation which many mis-judge as 'little-englander' syndrome. You only had to see the rise of UKIP and the billboard focus to see these were the issues genuine ordinary people faced, schools, GPs, housing it was all so obvious. Yet Crosby-led campaign focused on pretending Armegeddon would occur, trying to outshout the leave campaign which completely failed.
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