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Post by iandychesterfc on Jun 22, 2022 11:01:19 GMT
What are people's thoughts in relation to the strike actions being taken by RMT and The Criminal Bar?
Have to say regards the RMT its very hard to drill down into what they are essentially about, as i think most defending the strikes are saying its about conditions and the move away from having on-board conductors. Then the Union chief comes on Newsnight stating they want inflation busting pay rises, which obviously brings in all the talk about median pay etc and must be a real turn-off for public opinion given the numbers banded about in terms of salaries being above what many members of the public receive.
The issue about moving away from conductors and the safety of passengers kind of makes sense to me, clearly thats an issue the unions will be standing up for as its a cut to jobs. The issue about pay seems to be that the executives have made money during pandemic and so RMT want wages to increase to reflect this? It seems messy to me to conflate both as the figures being mentioned seem very high and when you need public support i think its a turn-off.
Moving to the CBA strike clearly know a little bit more about this. Its a really strange situation this Government has got itself into. As part of cost-cutting measures they closed courts and sliced fees to an extent that plenty of Barristers and Solicitors basically said 'f**k that' to legal aid work. So there has been a problem brewing with lack of retention across both sectors meaning a lack of courts, lack of judges and lack of advocates. All this combined meant there was quite the backlog of cases before the pandemic which of course made matters far worse.
The problem in this sector is that essentially theres only a small number of people willing to do it, then even if they do, they get offers elsewhere and leave quickly. High turnover can work in certain sectors but of course you need people to stay in the job and go on to become QCs, Judges etc.
So the government commissioned a report by Sir Christopher Bellamy who basically confirmed that the justice system is about to fall apart and needed a funding increase of 15% immediately to just sustain itself and would need more funding thereafter. That was in January. The government said 9%.
Again, like the RMT the numbers are such that public support is never really going to be gained for this strike, but it affects less people, as those affected are merely those caught up in the CJS as defendants awaiting trial or sentence or victims awaiting justice.
I dont know what people think about the Criminal Justice System as most have no idea how bad it is until they have the misfortune to be involved one way or another. its a funny one as RMT strike probably divides more opinion as more people have an opinion on it.
It's an interesting one as coming out of a pandemic you thought there would be some slack for the Government and i have some sympathy given theres been record spending over 2 years (yes yes some good some very dodgy) and then a war smashing the economy, but i'm wondering whether this is still austerity coming home to roost (particularly in the CJS) or if Sunak really has the ability to control this beast of an economy without just saying fuck it lets just keep borrowing forever.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 22, 2022 17:52:42 GMT
If it pisses the government off, I'm cool with it basically. The very fact that the Transport Secretary hasn't even met the RMT over the issue instantly makes me side with the strikes.
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Jun 22, 2022 19:11:22 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 22, 2022 19:11:22 GMT
Royal Mail next.
Teaching and nursing unions planning similar in the autumn too.
Really need a general strike to be honest.
Plenty of money there to meet the needs of those workers in all of those unions and the industries they represent.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 30, 2022 10:06:39 GMT
I've quite enjoyed catching up with clips of Mick Lynch. Knows his stuff inside out, answers stupid questions with the stupid answers they deserve, and not afraid to call out politicians for lying. It's interesting that when he does, they rarely deny it.
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Jun 30, 2022 16:52:48 GMT
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Post by Al on Jun 30, 2022 16:52:48 GMT
BT workers have also unnaminously voted to strike. if it goes ahead it'll be the first strike since the company was privatised in 1980..
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Jul 1, 2022 7:05:34 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 1, 2022 7:05:34 GMT
GP’s next.
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Post by noddy on Jul 1, 2022 7:24:01 GMT
Bloody cheek. Been on strike the last 2 years with the pandemic. Ever tried to get a face to face consultation with a GP these days? Near impossible.
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Jul 1, 2022 10:37:48 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jul 1, 2022 10:37:48 GMT
I think one of the most devastating groups to go on strike would be binmen. They must be the most underappreciated workers around.
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Jul 1, 2022 15:38:15 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 1, 2022 15:38:15 GMT
It’s as close to a general strike as we’re going to get. Great to see the power of unions in action - proper opposition to the government, unlike that wetwipe.
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Jul 1, 2022 20:30:24 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 1, 2022 20:30:24 GMT
Reach Media (Dave Powell etc) journalists are considering industrial action too.
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Jul 26, 2022 6:10:36 GMT
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Post by Al on Jul 26, 2022 6:10:36 GMT
BT workers have also unnaminously voted to strike. if it goes ahead it'll be the first strike since the company was privatised in 1980.. Follow up to this. They strike this Friday and Monday. Seems the company are still refusing to go back to the negotiation table despite the strike quoting that there's no money left for payrises despite making over 1bn in profit this year and group CEO Philip Jansen scooping a 30% payrise himself...
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Jul 26, 2022 13:08:56 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 26, 2022 13:08:56 GMT
BT workers have also unnaminously voted to strike. if it goes ahead it'll be the first strike since the company was privatised in 1980.. Follow up to this. They strike this Friday and Monday. Seems the company are still refusing to go back to the negotiation table despite the strike quoting that there's no money left for payrises despite making over 1bn in profit this year and group CEO Philip Jansen scooping a 30% payrise himself... What an absolute disaster the Thatcherite privatisation con of the 80s and 90s was. Can anyone name any of them that benefitted the consumer? We are all paying the price now, with high bills and rubbish service.
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Jul 26, 2022 18:31:49 GMT
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Post by Al on Jul 26, 2022 18:31:49 GMT
Follow up to this. They strike this Friday and Monday. Seems the company are still refusing to go back to the negotiation table despite the strike quoting that there's no money left for payrises despite making over 1bn in profit this year and group CEO Philip Jansen scooping a 30% payrise himself... What an absolute disaster the Thatcherite privatisation con of the 80s and 90s was. Can anyone name any of them that benefitted the consumer? We are all paying the price now, with high bills and rubbish service. It'll be interesting what happens next with the BT strikes. The union want to get back around the table but BT have already flat refused to do it with both the CWU and the managers union, Prospect. Prospect have yet to ballot members on any industrial action. Knowing what that lot are like they'll probably just bend over backwards for Jansen
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jul 27, 2022 11:00:54 GMT
Follow up to this. They strike this Friday and Monday. Seems the company are still refusing to go back to the negotiation table despite the strike quoting that there's no money left for payrises despite making over 1bn in profit this year and group CEO Philip Jansen scooping a 30% payrise himself... What an absolute disaster the Thatcherite privatisation con of the 80s and 90s was. Can anyone name any of them that benefitted the consumer? We are all paying the price now, with high bills and rubbish service. I think its generally accepted that Rail needed it. I'm fairly certain energy was only going to end badly.
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Jul 27, 2022 12:31:37 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 27, 2022 12:31:37 GMT
What an absolute disaster the Thatcherite privatisation con of the 80s and 90s was. Can anyone name any of them that benefitted the consumer? We are all paying the price now, with high bills and rubbish service. I think its generally accepted that Rail needed it. I'm fairly certain energy was only going to end badly. Generally accepted by whom? British Rail was a million times better than the present system.
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Jul 27, 2022 12:41:52 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 27, 2022 12:41:52 GMT
Generally accepted by the many national governments of other nations who, via privatisation, own our rail network and can subsidise their own citizens’ costs.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 27, 2022 21:02:03 GMT
Starmer has sacked a Labour MP who attended a rail workers' picket line.
No idea what Labour are meant to represent under him.
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Jul 27, 2022 21:11:45 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 27, 2022 21:11:45 GMT
Vague vacuous sound bites that don’t mean anything. Imagine a LABOUR leader being hounded out of Liverpool of all places.
Truss is polling better than him 😂😂😂😂😂
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Jan 3, 2023 23:07:37 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jan 3, 2023 23:07:37 GMT
I can't help but think the British media are showing a hostility towards the current industrial action that's simply not reflective of the feelings of the British public. There's a narrative being pushed that they're greedy and workshy for striking and I don't think anyone thinks that. Most people now feel a discontent and frustration at the state of the country.
Richard Madeley, for example, was ranting on at Mick Lynch today that he warned him before Christmas that the rail strikes would cause chaos and that what's happened since has proved him right. Does he even understand what the point of strikes is? Surely all that does is underline what an important service the railways provide and underline the need for improved pay and working conditions for the staff who keep it running?
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 4, 2023 7:39:20 GMT
The drip drip of anti-worker stories in the media will eventually have an impact, otherwise they wouldn’t bother. The Toris are playing a long game and are hoping that the idiot working class Tories will once again vote against their own economic self interests.
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Jan 4, 2023 10:54:15 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jan 4, 2023 10:54:15 GMT
That's my point basically. There are enough groups on strike at the moment that they can't all be in the wrong. A fair media would be putting more effort into asking what the government was doing about it and less into criticising unions for striking.
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 7, 2023 9:28:44 GMT
I can't help but think the British media are showing a hostility towards the current industrial action that's simply not reflective of the feelings of the British public. There's a narrative being pushed that they're greedy and workshy for striking and I don't think anyone thinks that. Most people now feel a discontent and frustration at the state of the country. Richard Madeley, for example, was ranting on at Mick Lynch today that he warned him before Christmas that the rail strikes would cause chaos and that what's happened since has proved him right. Does he even understand what the point of strikes is? Surely all that does is underline what an important service the railways provide and underline the need for improved pay and working conditions for the staff who keep it running? I'm not sure you're right about the feelings of the British public. We're a very fickle bunch in this country and it doesn't take much for people to change from clapping outside their front doors to complaining about money grabbing nurses being on strike. The Tory's are relying on this type of 'I'm not getting it so why should they' attitude from the public to see them through this wave of strikes. I really do think that Sunak and his band of merry men have adopted a siege mentality regarding public sector pay rises and we're in for a long hard Winter.
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Post by avfo on Jan 16, 2023 20:11:23 GMT
I can't help but think the British media are showing a hostility towards the current industrial action that's simply not reflective of the feelings of the British public. There's a narrative being pushed that they're greedy and workshy for striking and I don't think anyone thinks that. Most people now feel a discontent and frustration at the state of the country. Richard Madeley, for example, was ranting on at Mick Lynch today that he warned him before Christmas that the rail strikes would cause chaos and that what's happened since has proved him right. Does he even understand what the point of strikes is? Surely all that does is underline what an important service the railways provide and underline the need for improved pay and working conditions for the staff who keep it running? 'The richest 1 per cent of people in the UK are now wealthier than 70 per cent of the population combined, according to analysis by Oxfam.' www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/richest-1-of-people-in-uk-now-wealthier-than-70-of-population-combined-341998/
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