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Post by bb93 on May 3, 2017 20:54:29 GMT
I've been accused of being a happy clapper on here so it's no secret that I'm fully behind McCarthy. However, seeing players come out and say that they were offered contracts in January for them to be removed now doesn't sit well with me as a community club. Obviously football isn't like any normal career but I think this would be seen as a pretty poor way to treat an employee in any other sector and as a community club shouldn't we be setting the right example. Don't get me wrong there's players who I'm happy to see the back of I'd just rather it wasn't done like this. Am I being soft or does this sit uncomfortably with anyone else?
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Post by dmcnally on May 3, 2017 21:01:46 GMT
You've got to make tough decisions in football and this is what Jon, MM and the board have done. Players move on every summer, it's just how it is. In January Jon wanted to keep them; now he doesn't. We move on.
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Post by bb93 on May 3, 2017 21:09:27 GMT
You've got to make tough decisions in football and this is what Jon, MM and the board have done. Players move on every summer, it's just how it is. In January Jon wanted to keep them; now he doesn't. We move on. To me that's an argument to not offer contracts till the end of the season, not an argument to offer them and then take them away at a later date |
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Post by Arrogant Blue on May 3, 2017 21:11:51 GMT
Let's say if Durrell had got a better offer from another club in January do you think he'd have signed the alleged contract with Chester in any event? Not a chance! Very rare you get loyalty from a footballer.
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Post by chesterken on May 3, 2017 21:21:35 GMT
I've been accused of being a happy clapper on here so it's no secret that I'm fully behind McCarthy. However, seeing players come out and say that they were offered contracts in January for them to be removed now doesn't sit well with me as a community club. Obviously football isn't like any normal career but I think this would be seen as a pretty poor way to treat an employee in any other sector and as a community club shouldn't we be setting the right example. Don't get me wrong there's players who I'm happy to see the back of I'd just rather it wasn't done like this. Am I being soft or does this sit uncomfortably with anyone else? You have to remember we had a web site that was in meltdown at the thought of all the players being offered new contracts, lots of fans have been baying for blood so it's hardly surprising that he had a change of heart to try and appease some of the fan base. |
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Post by Jon on May 3, 2017 21:29:21 GMT
They should have put a bit more effort in since January. No-one automatically deserves a contract after that dreadful run of form. In January, most of them deserved a contact offer, in May, they most certainly did not. We needed a sweeping change, thankfully that looks like its happening. At least a new batch of players gives us all a bit of hope. I've been accused of being a happy clapper on here so it's no secret that I'm fully behind McCarthy. However, seeing players come out and say that they were offered contracts in January for them to be removed now doesn't sit well with me as a community club. Obviously football isn't like any normal career but I think this would be seen as a pretty poor way to treat an employee in any other sector and as a community club shouldn't we be setting the right example. Don't get me wrong there's players who I'm happy to see the back of I'd just rather it wasn't done like this. Am I being soft or does this sit uncomfortably with anyone else? |
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 3, 2017 21:57:40 GMT
Quite simply we can longer afford those contracts, probably due to the plummeting attendances since January. McCarthy has "released" four of his favoured starting X1 including his best ever signing (his words). He has also kept hold of the cheap back-ups, elevated three youth team players whose wages are being paid by a sponsor and has streamlined the coaching staff with the Tom Shaw role. Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this to be the case?
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Post by agl on May 3, 2017 22:17:40 GMT
You keep labouring this point. OK! We get it.
Prefer to wait and see how the squad shapes up before passing judgement. Early days yet and no doubt it needed freshening up. I'm sure McCarthy regrets the Hudson comment, which even he must admit was ridiculous. On the positive side he' s just handed out a two year deal to Mahon and White is a better like for like replacement for Richards. Hopefully he will also be given some of the money from Hughes sale. No one pretends next season will be easy but as far as I'm concerned it's a clean slate (unless we lose the first game). There seems to be an element on the fringes of the club that want it to fail. Maybe a few agendas floating around out there, or simply bitterness?
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Post by bb93 on May 4, 2017 6:01:46 GMT
Let's say if Durrell had got a better offer from another club in January do you think he'd have signed the alleged contract with Chester in any event? Not a chance! Very rare you get loyalty from a footballer. Rooney did what the club did and we gave him dogs abuse for it. Just seems like double standards to me. Maybe I'm biased because I'm actually gutted Durrell has gone as I thought he was brilliant and not many people seem to share my opinion. |
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Post by TheTheremin on May 4, 2017 6:24:24 GMT
Going to be controversial and say that it was right to withdraw the offers.
If you get offered a contract at work, decide not to sign it and then spend the next several months putting less effort in then why would you expect to still have the same offer on the table.
In any walk of life in any job what would you expect?
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Post by Lobster on May 4, 2017 6:24:28 GMT
Let's say if Durrell had got a better offer from another club in January do you think he'd have signed the alleged contract with Chester in any event? Not a chance! Very rare you get loyalty from a footballer. Rooney did what the club did and we gave him dogs abuse for it. Just seems like double standards to me. Maybe I'm biased because I'm actually gutted Durrell has gone as I thought he was brilliant and not many people seem to share my opinion. I certainly didn't think he was brilliant, but he was the one player in the squad capable of conjuring up a goal out of nothing. Even in that dire game last weekend he hit a decent free kick in the first half, which was about as good as it got for us. |
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Post by TheTheremin on May 4, 2017 6:24:54 GMT
Let's say if Durrell had got a better offer from another club in January do you think he'd have signed the alleged contract with Chester in any event? Not a chance! Very rare you get loyalty from a footballer. Rooney did what the club did and we gave him dogs abuse for it. Just seems like double standards to me. Maybe I'm biased because I'm actually gutted Durrell has gone as I thought he was brilliant and not many people seem to share my opinion. |
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Post by Harry Lime on May 4, 2017 7:02:01 GMT
Going to be controversial and say that it was right to withdraw the offers. If you get offered a contract at work, decide not to sign it and then spend the next several months putting less effort in then why would you expect to still have the same offer on the table. In any walk of life in any job what would you expect? Why didn't they sign the contracts when they were offered, if they're that upset? You would assume that Hudson and Hunt would be among the highest earners, because of where they came from. If you were a manager on a limited budget and want to make changes, wouldn't you look at your highest earners first? Especially in view of the results since New Year. Not sure it's coincidence that all the ex Wrexham players have been moved on. Hudson was rumoured to be part of the drinking culture that's been endemic at that club. Maybe JM spotted sonething, or heard something. If we'd offered a contract last week and withdrawn it, then that would be unfair. Four months later it isn't. JM is looking after the club, and himself, in trying to strengthen the team. We're not a charity. Those players may have done a Rooney anyway. |
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Post by sirfred on May 4, 2017 7:03:10 GMT
In my opinion Macca may have redeemed himself by possibly eventually listening to fans concerns about signing on a failing squad for anotherrors year - hats off to him for that but remember these players released although offered contracts in January didn't sign possible expecting more money at season end so I've no qualms there- I thinknow Durrell might have been a bit choppsy and possibly expected a big increase but that's a guess- any way we move on from this and look forward to the next signing
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Post by TheTheremin on May 4, 2017 7:16:54 GMT
Going to be controversial and say that it was right to withdraw the offers. If you get offered a contract at work, decide not to sign it and then spend the next several months putting less effort in then why would you expect to still have the same offer on the table. In any walk of life in any job what would you expect? Why didn't they sign the contracts when they were offered, if they're that upset? You would assume that Hudson and Hunt would be among the highest earners, because of where they came from. If you were a manager on a limited budget and want to make changes, wouldn't you look at your highest earners first? Especially in view of the results since New Year. Not sure it's coincidence that all the ex Wrexham players have been moved on. Hudson was rumoured to be part of the drinking culture that's been endemic at that club. Maybe JM spotted sonething, or heard something. If we'd offered a contract last week and withdrawn it, then that would be unfair. Four months later it isn't. JM is looking after the club, and himself, in trying to strengthen the team. We're not a charity. Those players may have done a Rooney anyway. Indeed. This is avoiding the kind of mistakes Burr would have made. McCarthy has always said he's trying to build for the future. Players who don't commit, don't put in the effort consistently are no good for us. sounds like they were given a chance to make a commitment to the club in January and declined in more ways than one. This is strong from the club and what we need IMO. |
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Post by agl on May 4, 2017 7:30:23 GMT
Why didn't they sign the contracts when they were offered, if they're that upset? You would assume that Hudson and Hunt would be among the highest earners, because of where they came from. If you were a manager on a limited budget and want to make changes, wouldn't you look at your highest earners first? Especially in view of the results since New Year. Not sure it's coincidence that all the ex Wrexham players have been moved on. Hudson was rumoured to be part of the drinking culture that's been endemic at that club. Maybe JM spotted sonething, or heard something. If we'd offered a contract last week and withdrawn it, then that would be unfair. Four months later it isn't. JM is looking after the club, and himself, in trying to strengthen the team. We're not a charity. Those players may have done a Rooney anyway. Indeed. This is avoiding the kind of mistakes Burr would have made. McCarthy has always said he's trying to build for the future. Players who don't commit, don't put in the effort consistently are no good for us. sounds like they were given a chance to make a commitment to the club in January and declined in more ways than one. This is strong from the club and what we need IMO. This. The slump in the second half of the season wasn't all down to the manager. Looked like a few players were coasting, or being more charitable ran out of gas. Anyway, we've dodged a bullet with Hudson. If contracts were offered and not signed then what did these players expect? |
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Post by smokedacheese on May 4, 2017 9:31:05 GMT
Durrells had a right ding dong on twitter with a fan last night. Can't see it now must have been deleted.
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Post by Lobster on May 4, 2017 9:56:18 GMT
Indeed. This is avoiding the kind of mistakes Burr would have made. McCarthy has always said he's trying to build for the future. Players who don't commit, don't put in the effort consistently are no good for us. sounds like they were given a chance to make a commitment to the club in January and declined in more ways than one. This is strong from the club and what we need IMO. This. The slump in the second half of the season wasn't all down to the manager. Looked like a few players were coasting, or being more charitable ran out of gas. Anyway, we've dodged a bullet with Hudson. If contracts were offered and not signed then what did these players expect? You could argue that was a consequence of the manager's regular assertions that we've 'done enough' and pretty much everyone had earned a new contract. I'm all for supporting players and boosting their confidence, but he was hardly asking a lot of them - at least not in public anyway. |
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Post by Anders on May 4, 2017 10:46:17 GMT
Durrells had a right ding dong on twitter with a fan last night. Can't see it now must have been deleted. It’s still there as far as I can see, basically one fan telling him he wasn’t consistent enough and Durrell just defending himself as you would expect. I don’t think interacting with players on twitter and the likes is a bad thing but I wish some people would be a bit more sensible with how they go about it. |
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Post by sqzl on May 4, 2017 10:51:05 GMT
Durrells had a right ding dong on twitter with a fan last night. Can't see it now must have been deleted. It’s still there as far as I can see, basically one fan telling him he wasn’t consistent enough and Durrell just defending himself as you would expect. I don’t think interacting with players on twitter and the likes is a bad thing but I wish some people would be a bit more sensible with how they go about it. The guy arguing on twitter must have mistaken himself for someone who's opinion on footballers actually matter. He's talking about consistency, but can't even consistently support his own club. Clown. |
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Post by Bersham Blue on May 4, 2017 11:55:57 GMT
The fact all players were offered contracts in January is probably a contributing factor to the poor form.
Players who are battling for employment every year were basically told they'll have a club next season and they didn't seem to want to fight thereafter the season targets had been met.
I feel though this was done so Hughes & Alabi could go to tribunal, & prevent the rest of the squad becoming unhappy not being offered fresh terms.
If players wanted to be at the club however, they would of signed the contract straight away, not wait a further 4 months to see how things pan out.
So I agree with the released players, but wish them luck for the future.
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Post by Broughton Bob on May 4, 2017 12:12:20 GMT
The fact all players were offered contracts in January is probably a contributing factor to the poor form. Players who are battling for employment every year were basically told they'll have a club next season and they didn't seem to want to fight thereafter the season targets had been met. I feel though this was done so Hughes & Alabi could go to tribunal, & prevent the rest of the squad becoming unhappy not being offered fresh terms. If players wanted to be at the club however, they would of signed the contract straight away, not wait a further 4 months to see how things pan out. So I agree with the released players, but wish them luck for the future. Excellent interview with Jonny Hunt in today's Chester Leader, he makes a number of good points that the club and JM would do well to take on board. |
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Post by Jeff on May 4, 2017 12:16:57 GMT
the part you are on about
“Chester is a very good club, and it’s a got a lot of potential,” he added.
“At Christmas I can honestly say I was enjoying playing football more than I have ever done in my career. I loved playing in the derby matches and some of the atmospheres we played in were as good as I’ve been involved in.
“We possibly lacked that bit of experience needed once we got ourselves into a strong position in the table before Christmas.
“All I’ve ever tried to do is use my experience to help the team. Maybe that sometimes comes across a bit aggressive, but the club needs to have a bigger mentality in my opinion.
“If the club wants to be full of ‘yes men’ then fine, but you don’t want to become a club who accept the team is going to go on losing runs like we did.
“At Chester, the fans’ expectations are far greater than the club’s expectations. That’s not having a go at the board, but on the budget the club operates on, any fans who think that staying up last season was not a success probably need a re-think.
“It’s a great club and I wish them all the best in the future, and I hope that any new signings will enable the club to get where they want to be.”
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Post by Browser on May 4, 2017 12:39:52 GMT
Durrells had a right ding dong on twitter with a fan last night. Can't see it now must have been deleted. It’s still there as far as I can see, basically one fan telling him he wasn’t consistent enough and Durrell just defending himself as you would expect. I don’t think interacting with players on twitter and the likes is a bad thing but I wish some people would be a bit more sensible with how they go about it. Exactly, I think it was the same individual who was unnecessarily abusive to Kane Richards after the player posted a thank you tweet. It's disappointing how some people can't let bygones be bygones once a player leaves, bit like those who were still slagging Hobson off after he'd moved on. |
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Post by CestrianStatto on May 4, 2017 19:33:01 GMT
Going to be controversial and say that it was right to withdraw the offers. If you get offered a contract at work, decide not to sign it and then spend the next several months putting less effort in then why would you expect to still have the same offer on the table. In any walk of life in any job what would you expect? Why didn't they sign the contracts when they were offered, if they're that upset? You would assume that Hudson and Hunt would be among the highest earners, because of where they came from. If you were a manager on a limited budget and want to make changes, wouldn't you look at your highest earners first? Especially in view of the results since New Year. Not sure it's coincidence that all the ex Wrexham players have been moved on. Hudson was rumoured to be part of the drinking culture that's been endemic at that club. Maybe JM spotted sonething, or heard something. If we'd offered a contract last week and withdrawn it, then that would be unfair. Four months later it isn't. JM is looking after the club, and himself, in trying to strengthen the team. We're not a charity. Those players may have done a Rooney anyway. Whilst I understand your point your missing the consistency of what all of the players are saying. They had agreed new deals after been offered them and was then told by the club they were in the post! Any walk of life that's bang out of order! |
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Post by lachelane on May 4, 2017 19:53:41 GMT
Why didn't they sign the contracts when they were offered, if they're that upset? You would assume that Hudson and Hunt would be among the highest earners, because of where they came from. If you were a manager on a limited budget and want to make changes, wouldn't you look at your highest earners first? Especially in view of the results since New Year. Not sure it's coincidence that all the ex Wrexham players have been moved on. Hudson was rumoured to be part of the drinking culture that's been endemic at that club. Maybe JM spotted sonething, or heard something. If we'd offered a contract last week and withdrawn it, then that would be unfair. Four months later it isn't. JM is looking after the club, and himself, in trying to strengthen the team. We're not a charity. Those players may have done a Rooney anyway. Whilst I understand your point your missing the consistency of what all of the players are saying. They had agreed new deals after been offered them and was then told by the club they were in the post! Any walk of life that's bang out of order! Maybe we faxed them. |
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Post by quay boy on May 4, 2017 20:09:34 GMT
what gets me is horwood only offered a 6 months deal along with davies but then we got joyce who signs for a year joyce is a craig lindfield type of player both lazy
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 4, 2017 20:26:51 GMT
Joyce is on peanuts though. All of the above occurrences are down to (lack of) money.
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Post by Arrogant Blue on May 4, 2017 20:31:30 GMT
what gets me is horwood only offered a 6 months deal along with davies but then we got joyce who signs for a year joyce is a craig lindfield type of player both lazy Joyce isn't lazy just doesn't have the ability. I watched him trying to flick a ball up in the warm up a few weeks ago and he couldn't do it, sums his lack of ability up. He is miles off the pace when he plays. He's no doubt another player who's dad got him in the game like Aldridge, Dalgliesh, Curle and Hill did even though their kids have no football ability whatsoever! |
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