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Post by dragonslayer on May 10, 2017 6:32:21 GMT
Made a financial loss of £300,000 last season.
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May 10, 2017 6:45:56 GMT
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Post by soulseal on May 10, 2017 6:45:56 GMT
Puts our terrible season into perspective.
Whatever happens we need to keep this club on an even keel. 1 season like York's would set us back a decade.
We may struggle for a few seasons, but we will still be in with the opportunity to progress if the Managers and players click.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 7:16:56 GMT
Unsustainable, and unfortunately they have now to saddle that debt in the Conf North. Will not be easy in there with Salford, Stockport, Kiddy et al making a run at promotion.
We should never risk the long term sustainability of our club.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on May 10, 2017 8:22:57 GMT
It just goes to show, that you can throw a 'shedload' of money at it and still end up with nothing to show for it.
With the right set of players, a decent manager and some funds to bring players, in January. (Even on loan))) The playoffs may be in reach, even for a club with limited resources. Macclesfield seem to make a decent fist of it every season.
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May 10, 2017 8:34:13 GMT
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Post by Frustrated on May 10, 2017 8:34:13 GMT
It just goes to show, that you can throw a 'shedload' of money at it and still end up with nothing to show for it. With the right set of players, a decent manager and some funds to bring players, in January. (Even on loan))) The playoffs may be in reach, even for a club with limited resources. Macclesfield seem to make a decent fist of it every season. The key phrase you use is "decent manager ". |
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Post by eyeswideopen on May 10, 2017 8:35:51 GMT
It just goes to show, that you can throw a 'shedload' of money at it and still end up with nothing to show for it. With the right set of players, a decent manager and some funds to bring players, in January. (Even on loan))) The playoffs may be in reach, even for a club with limited resources. Macclesfield seem to make a decent fist of it every season. That's just it though, Macc don't, there's a bit of a misleading perception that they do.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-25614078
Not sure if they ever did get new owners, but the infamous Bob Gray cup run they had certainly helped them that season.
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Post by border collie on May 10, 2017 8:53:17 GMT
Whatever the ins and outs are ,that story is 3 years old and they are still in business somehow .
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Post by Lobster on May 10, 2017 10:39:46 GMT
You do wonder quite how they've managed that. Already one of the best supported teams in the Conference, and I presume they'd have got a parachute payment from dropping out of League Two last year, plus a bit of money from their FA Trophy run. All that, and they've still needed to run up a £300K loss just to get relegated.
I sometimes think Macca's got a point that staying up is an achievement in itself for Chester, it's just that the way we collapsed after Christmas is so disappointing and we need to recognise that unless things change we're a wooden-spoon team at the moment.
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Post by Browser on May 10, 2017 10:45:22 GMT
You do wonder quite how they've managed that. Already one of the best supported teams in the Conference, and I presume they'd have got a parachute payment from dropping out of League Two last year, plus a bit of money from their FA Trophy run. All that, and they've still needed to run up a £300K loss just to get relegated. I sometimes think Macca's got a point that staying up is an achievement in itself for Chester, it's just that the way we collapsed after Christmas is so disappointing and we need to recognise that unless things change we're a wooden-spoon team at the moment. From googling it the loss being reported now is for 2015-16 when they were relegated out of the Football League, not for this season. I'll be interested to see how their figures stack up this season given the wages spent on Parkin etc. |
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May 10, 2017 10:46:28 GMT
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Post by whopper1 on May 10, 2017 10:46:28 GMT
We should be staying up comfortably in this league on average gates of 2000,sponsored stands and ground etc,it was embarrassing that Torquay and Woking finished above us,but that's where we are with this manager.
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Post by Arrogant Blue on May 10, 2017 10:54:01 GMT
We should be staying up comfortably in this league on average gates of 2000,sponsored stands and ground etc,it was embarrassing that Torquay and Woking finished above us,but that's where we are with this manager. Sadly attendances are becoming less and less related to performance. If Forest Green had 50 fans for each game it would make very little difference to their budget and results. Being fan owned we need average gates of 2000 just to compete in this league, and sadly not enough of our fans are prepared to put their hand in their pocket and contribute to fundraising initiatives. League position is not decided on average gates. |
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Post by sqzl on May 10, 2017 11:25:01 GMT
We should be staying up comfortably in this league on average gates of 2000,sponsored stands and ground etc,it was embarrassing that Torquay and Woking finished above us,but that's where we are with this manager. Sadly attendances are becoming less and less related to performance. If Forest Green had 50 fans for each game it would make very little difference to their budget and results. Being fan owned we need average gates of 2000 just to compete in this league, and sadly not enough of our fans are prepared to put their hand in their pocket and contribute to fundraising initiatives. League position is not decided on average gates. Absolutely agree, although that said the best two supported sides have been the best in the league this year, in Lincoln and Tranmere. |
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Post by Lobster on May 10, 2017 11:32:21 GMT
Sadly attendances are becoming less and less related to performance. If Forest Green had 50 fans for each game it would make very little difference to their budget and results. Being fan owned we need average gates of 2000 just to compete in this league, and sadly not enough of our fans are prepared to put their hand in their pocket and contribute to fundraising initiatives. League position is not decided on average gates. Absolutely agree, although that said the best two supported sides have been the best in the league this year, in Lincoln and Tranmere. In Lincoln's case, I think their good performance was the reason for their high attendances rather than the other way round. The season before, they averaged 2,600, which was only a few hundred more than us. |
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Post by sqzl on May 10, 2017 11:46:03 GMT
Absolutely agree, although that said the best two supported sides have been the best in the league this year, in Lincoln and Tranmere. In Lincoln's case, I think their good performance was the reason for their high attendances rather than the other way round. The season before, they averaged 2,600, which was only a few hundred more than us. Yes, sadly lots of those fans will soon flee when they aren't doing as well in the football league. It was fantastic to see their fans at our away game, really brilliant night despite the result, and we should have had a point if not for the Joyce error. Great atmosphere and a deserved promotion. |
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Post by Lobster on May 10, 2017 12:03:26 GMT
In Lincoln's case, I think their good performance was the reason for their high attendances rather than the other way round. The season before, they averaged 2,600, which was only a few hundred more than us. Yes, sadly lots of those fans will soon flee when they aren't doing as well in the football league. It was fantastic to see their fans at our away game, really brilliant night despite the result, and we should have had a point if not for the Joyce error. Great atmosphere and a deserved promotion. I've a feeling they might do alright in the FL though. They've been easily the best side in this division I think, and if it weren't for the Cup run they'd have wrapped it up a lot sooner. |
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Post by lachelane on May 10, 2017 20:31:41 GMT
We should be staying up comfortably in this league on average gates of 2000,sponsored stands and ground etc,it was embarrassing that Torquay and Woking finished above us,but that's where we are with this manager. Sadly attendances are becoming less and less related to performance. If Forest Green had 50 fans for each game it would make very little difference to their budget and results. Being fan owned we need average gates of 2000 just to compete in this league, and sadly not enough of our fans are prepared to put their hand in their pocket and contribute to fundraising initiatives. League position is not decided on average gates. I am worried to say that for once I agree with you! The business plan for a fan owned club is totally different to one "owned" by one or two ambitious individuals. So please don't compare apples with oranges, we have to work within our very limited income and so far so good, with a number of narrow squeaks! |
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May 10, 2017 21:45:07 GMT
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Post by Frustrated on May 10, 2017 21:45:07 GMT
Sadly attendances are becoming less and less related to performance. If Forest Green had 50 fans for each game it would make very little difference to their budget and results. Being fan owned we need average gates of 2000 just to compete in this league, and sadly not enough of our fans are prepared to put their hand in their pocket and contribute to fundraising initiatives. League position is not decided on average gates. I am worried to say that for once I agree with you! The business plan for a fan owned club is totally different to one "owned" by one or two ambitious individuals. So please don't compare apples with oranges, we have to work within our very limited income and so far so good, with a number of narrow squeaks![/quoteThe][The key to the success of the "football model " we have is a competent and street wise manager, unfortunately our Gordon Hill/ Derek Mann impressionist, who is the current incumbent, will never be able to succeed within the constraints of the model you eulogise . |
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Post by Newted on May 10, 2017 21:55:11 GMT
We should be staying up comfortably in this league on average gates of 2000,sponsored stands and ground etc,it was embarrassing that Torquay and Woking finished above us,but that's where we are with this manager. Sadly attendances are becoming less and less related to performance. If Forest Green had 50 fans for each game it would make very little difference to their budget and results. Being fan owned we need average gates of 2000 just to compete in this league, and sadly not enough of our fans are prepared to put their hand in their pocket and contribute to fundraising initiatives. League position is not decided on average gates. If our CEO done his job properly the fans wouldn't have to put their hands in their pockets so often |
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Post by sqzl on May 11, 2017 10:21:19 GMT
Sadly attendances are becoming less and less related to performance. If Forest Green had 50 fans for each game it would make very little difference to their budget and results. Being fan owned we need average gates of 2000 just to compete in this league, and sadly not enough of our fans are prepared to put their hand in their pocket and contribute to fundraising initiatives. League position is not decided on average gates. If our CEO done his job properly the fans wouldn't have to put their hands in their pockets so often Having done some proper research and found out more in recent weeks about what the CEO has been doing i'd say it's not his role that needs criticising, it's Allen's. Not really sure that he is needed here at all for me. |
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Post by Disgruntled on May 11, 2017 11:39:26 GMT
If our CEO done his job properly the fans wouldn't have to put their hands in their pockets so often Having done some proper research and found out more in recent weeks about what the CEO has been doing i'd say it's not his role that needs criticising, it's Allen's. Not really sure that he is needed here at all for me. Agreed . dont recall any registration or admin errors when we had a volunteer in the role |
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Post by sqzl on May 11, 2017 12:18:34 GMT
Having done some proper research and found out more in recent weeks about what the CEO has been doing i'd say it's not his role that needs criticising, it's Allen's. Not really sure that he is needed here at all for me. Agreed . dont recall any registration or admin errors when we had a volunteer in the role Even if we did have, we have a CEO to approve these sorts of things if needs be. Admittedly it's not the role of a CEO to do so, but if it was to save a wage it would be worth it. |
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May 11, 2017 14:07:28 GMT
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Post by We8devonblue on May 11, 2017 14:07:28 GMT
We should be staying up comfortably in this league on average gates of 2000,sponsored stands and ground etc,it was embarrassing that Torquay and Woking finished above us,but that's where we are with this manager. Sadly attendances are becoming less and less related to performance. If Forest Green had 50 fans for each game it would make very little difference to their budget and results. Being fan owned we need average gates of 2000 just to compete in this league, and sadly not enough of our fans are prepared to put their hand in their pocket and contribute to fundraising initiatives. League position is not decided on average gates. Ridiculous to think the issue is because people won't donate. Worse than Bob Grays decent cup run comment actually. By the time you've parked, had a pint and a shit pie and tergid coffee you've spent £30 to watch a match at the Deva. Regardless of the performance on the pitch that is very expensive and it's no wonder more and more people are turning away. I actually think in this current economy where companies are racing each other to freeze wages until the minimum wage catches up with them, refusing to offer full time contracts and refusing to honour existing full time contracts, it's hardly fair to expect people to have a spare £30 a week to throw at the shocking match day experience on offer at the ground, with the tannoy cranked up to the painful point of distortion and very little in the way of comfort or facilities, let alone to then blame those who are left for not chucking enough extra in the pot just because the club needs it. The whole of football is fucked because of this, not just our club, but when the club's stated aim is to be a pillar of the community whilst playing at the highest level possible, we've already failed that aim at the point when you price the majority of the community out on the basis that it's what you have to charge to be competitive at the level we're at. |
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Post by Disgruntled on May 11, 2017 14:16:12 GMT
Sadly attendances are becoming less and less related to performance. If Forest Green had 50 fans for each game it would make very little difference to their budget and results. Being fan owned we need average gates of 2000 just to compete in this league, and sadly not enough of our fans are prepared to put their hand in their pocket and contribute to fundraising initiatives. League position is not decided on average gates. Ridiculous to think the issue is because people won't donate. Worse than Bob Grays decent cup run comment actually. By the time you've parked, had a pint and a shit pie and tergid coffee you've spent £30 to watch a match at the Deva. Regardless of the performance on the pitch that is very expensive and it's no wonder more and more people are turning away. I actually think in this current economy where companies are racing each other to freeze wages until the minimum wage catches up with them, refusing to offer full time contracts and refusing to honour existing full time contracts, it's hardly fair to expect people to have a spare £30 a week to throw at the shocking match day experience on offer at the ground, with the tannoy cranked up to the painful point of distortion and very little in the way of comfort or facilities, let alone to then blame those who are left for not chucking enough extra in the pot just because the club needs it. The whole of football is fucked because of this, not just our club, but when the club's stated aim is to be a pillar of the community whilst playing at the highest level possible, we've already failed that aim at the point when you price the majority of the community out on the basis that it's what you have to charge to be competitive at the level we're at. Agree with all of this except that the pies arent S''t .They are too expensive though . P.S. not wanting to start another piegate ha ha |
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Post by sqzl on May 11, 2017 14:28:24 GMT
Ridiculous to think the issue is because people won't donate. Worse than Bob Grays decent cup run comment actually. By the time you've parked, had a pint and a shit pie and tergid coffee you've spent £30 to watch a match at the Deva. Regardless of the performance on the pitch that is very expensive and it's no wonder more and more people are turning away. I actually think in this current economy where companies are racing each other to freeze wages until the minimum wage catches up with them, refusing to offer full time contracts and refusing to honour existing full time contracts, it's hardly fair to expect people to have a spare £30 a week to throw at the shocking match day experience on offer at the ground, with the tannoy cranked up to the painful point of distortion and very little in the way of comfort or facilities, let alone to then blame those who are left for not chucking enough extra in the pot just because the club needs it. The whole of football is fucked because of this, not just our club, but when the club's stated aim is to be a pillar of the community whilst playing at the highest level possible, we've already failed that aim at the point when you price the majority of the community out on the basis that it's what you have to charge to be competitive at the level we're at. Agree with all of this except that the pies arent S''t .They are too expensive though . P.S. not wanting to start another piegate ha ha Would echo that it is the price of modern day football, it isn't just Chester overcharging. If you want to see any conference game you're looking at the same, or very similar pricing. You think are pies are bad? A burger and chips from a van in Lincolns ground was £6.50 and it was like a rustlers micro burger. I think the price of football is steep, but its a luxury not an essential and getting the casual fans in with these prices will always be difficult for any club. I think that's what makes it so frustrating to see us spending money on staff that arguably aren't needed as said above. We push for revenue and more fans all we like, but when the basics are set up wrong, it really does put people off going. I think many people feel that our club has lost it's ''our club'' feeling this last 12 month or so and it shows with the attendances, not helped by the shambolic football from Christmas. |
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Post by jonjo2 on May 11, 2017 17:22:01 GMT
Made a financial loss of £300,000 last season. And that was with the parachute payment! |
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Post by Surprised on May 11, 2017 17:56:28 GMT
Sadly attendances are becoming less and less related to performance. If Forest Green had 50 fans for each game it would make very little difference to their budget and results. Being fan owned we need average gates of 2000 just to compete in this league, and sadly not enough of our fans are prepared to put their hand in their pocket and contribute to fundraising initiatives. League position is not decided on average gates. Ridiculous to think the issue is because people won't donate. Worse than Bob Grays decent cup run comment actually. By the time you've parked, had a pint and a shit pie and tergid coffee you've spent £30 to watch a match at the Deva. Regardless of the performance on the pitch that is very expensive and it's no wonder more and more people are turning away. I actually think in this current economy where companies are racing each other to freeze wages until the minimum wage catches up with them, refusing to offer full time contracts and refusing to honour existing full time contracts, it's hardly fair to expect people to have a spare £30 a week to throw at the shocking match day experience on offer at the ground, with the tannoy cranked up to the painful point of distortion and very little in the way of comfort or facilities, let alone to then blame those who are left for not chucking enough extra in the pot just because the club needs it. The whole of football is fucked because of this, not just our club, but when the club's stated aim is to be a pillar of the community whilst playing at the highest level possible, we've already failed that aim at the point when you price the majority of the community out on the basis that it's what you have to charge to be competitive at the level we're at. Another guest who is spoiling this site for both mods and other guests!! What's the point in the foul language? Also, by tergid, did you mean to say turgid? If you did, it's still nonsense! Definition of turgid: ADJECTIVE 1 Swollen and distended or congested. ‘a turgid and fast-moving river’ 2 (of language or style) tediously pompous or bombastic. ‘some turgid verses on the death of Prince Albert.’ Perhaps it is you who is turgid?! |
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May 12, 2017 7:32:32 GMT
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Post by We8devonblue on May 12, 2017 7:32:32 GMT
Ridiculous to think the issue is because people won't donate. Worse than Bob Grays decent cup run comment actually. By the time you've parked, had a pint and a shit pie and tergid coffee you've spent £30 to watch a match at the Deva. Regardless of the performance on the pitch that is very expensive and it's no wonder more and more people are turning away. I actually think in this current economy where companies are racing each other to freeze wages until the minimum wage catches up with them, refusing to offer full time contracts and refusing to honour existing full time contracts, it's hardly fair to expect people to have a spare £30 a week to throw at the shocking match day experience on offer at the ground, with the tannoy cranked up to the painful point of distortion and very little in the way of comfort or facilities, let alone to then blame those who are left for not chucking enough extra in the pot just because the club needs it. The whole of football is fucked because of this, not just our club, but when the club's stated aim is to be a pillar of the community whilst playing at the highest level possible, we've already failed that aim at the point when you price the majority of the community out on the basis that it's what you have to charge to be competitive at the level we're at. Another guest who is spoiling this site for both mods and other guests!! What's the point in the foul language? Also, by tergid, did you mean to say turgid? If you did, it's still nonsense! Definition of turgid: ADJECTIVE 1 Swollen and distended or congested. ‘a turgid and fast-moving river’ 2 (of language or style) tediously pompous or bombastic. ‘some turgid verses on the death of Prince Albert.’ Perhaps it is you who is turgid?! Top class pettifogging, unfortunately you are arguing against my post without addressing any of the points raised within it. 'Tediously pompous'? The irony. |
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Post by sqzl on May 12, 2017 7:45:43 GMT
Another guest who is spoiling this site for both mods and other guests!! What's the point in the foul language? Also, by tergid, did you mean to say turgid? If you did, it's still nonsense! Definition of turgid: ADJECTIVE 1 Swollen and distended or congested. ‘a turgid and fast-moving river’ 2 (of language or style) tediously pompous or bombastic. ‘some turgid verses on the death of Prince Albert.’ Perhaps it is you who is turgid?! Top class pettifogging, unfortunately you are arguing against my post without addressing any of the points raised within it. 'Tediously pompous'? The irony. I think the key argument would be that it costs £18 to sit in the main stand. £30 is just how much you're saying it costs you as an individual. It's a persons choice whether he/she has a pie/coffee at the game. If you can't afford it, you don't buy it. I agree the price of football is expensive, but it's bound to happen. The price of everything has risen over the last 10 years, wouldn't even be surprised for the price to rise to £20 over the next few years. |
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May 12, 2017 7:58:02 GMT
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Post by Frustrated on May 12, 2017 7:58:02 GMT
Top class pettifogging, unfortunately you are arguing against my post without addressing any of the points raised within it. 'Tediously pompous'? The irony. I think the key argument would be that it costs £18 to sit in the main stand. £30 is just how much you're saying it costs you as an individual. It's a persons choice whether he/she has a pie/coffee at the game. If you can't afford it, you don't buy it. I agree the price of football is expensive, but it's bound to happen. The price of everything has risen over the last 10 years, wouldn't even be surprised for the price to rise to £20 over the next few years. It would be a financial own goal if Chester increased admission to £20 next season. |
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Post by We8devonblue on May 12, 2017 8:50:32 GMT
I think the key argument would be that it costs £18 to sit in the main stand. £30 is just how much you're saying it costs you as an individual. It's a persons choice whether he/she has a pie/coffee at the game. If you can't afford it, you don't buy it. I agree the price of football is expensive, but it's bound to happen. The price of everything has risen over the last 10 years, wouldn't even be surprised for the price to rise to £20 over the next few years. It would be a financial own goal if Chester increased admission to £20 next season. Indeed. As someone whose been made redundant twice in the last 5 years, having been forced to accept a flexi contract yet expected to work 6 of even 7 days a week at the click of a finger, I'm very much at the point where I can't afford the £18 any longer let alone the other costs. I will admit that I'm an exile for whom the parking and the cost of sustenance are more of a necessity than an optional extra. I think the key argument though is that the silent majority of stay aways are probably in the same position as me, priced out. Rental prices have risen, the ability to get on the ladder has fallen, as have wages and terms of employment. This affects people in their 20's-30's more so than older and younger fans for a variety of reasons, but there is a huge problem with the pricing of football. Not that I would, but there are prem and championship teams with similar admission prices. To state that the fault of the playing budget lies with the great fans who do turn up is a shocking statement to make, at the cost involved, most will surely be making big sacrifices elsewhere to afford to go. Then to see an argument about foul language on an adult football forum coupled with a weird attempt at grammar Nazism gain traction just goes to show that some have their heads buried in the sand as regards the real problems that the club and others are facing. I'm not even having a go at the club here, the majority of these issues arent ones the club have control over, some of course are, im merely highlighting the true issues affecting the attendance. |
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