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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 15, 2023 7:44:10 GMT
Premier League clubs had to submit their final 25-man first team squad for the season earlier this week and Maguire has been included in Sheffield United’s.
Word from a Blades fan I know (could be wrong but assume to be right, given he supports them) is their manager isn’t happy with how he’s being used by us with bit-part substitute appearances (two starts and four sub appearances so far) - as with Tyrer, you’d expect a PL loan to be one of your star players and in the team every week in the NLN six tiers below.
Problem is he’s looked average so far, he’s basically Murray’s backup for that attacking central position but Murray is easily one of our best X1. He’s shown quick feet to get at tiring defences late on in games but when he’s started he’s underwhelmed.
Good option to have on the bench to get on the ball and get at defenders but can understand where Heckingbottom is coming from. Unsure if there was a formal arrangement around game time - sure there would’ve been with Tyrer being a keeper.
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Post by Si on Sept 15, 2023 7:47:06 GMT
I'm all for using loan players if they are adding value to what we already have. Maguire hasn't looked anything better than what we have, which is why he's not getting regular minutes. He's tried a few Hollywood balls thinking he's Premier League, but most of them just fly out of play. He's pacey and dynamic, that's about as much of a compliment as I can give him based on what I've seen.
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Post by Moltisanti on Sept 15, 2023 7:53:44 GMT
He’s been good when he’s come on at times, especially Saturday. Be a regular starter now I reckon.
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Post by superhans on Sept 15, 2023 9:17:43 GMT
If paying towards his loan is stopping us signing a striker / winger then i wouldn’t be sad to see him go. We can’t really afford to carry players that aren’t first or second choice picks in their positions
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Post by Moltisanti on Sept 15, 2023 9:26:17 GMT
I doubt we’re paying him a wage.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 15, 2023 9:28:32 GMT
Yes I wouldn't have thought we were paying him anything - the issue for us is Sheffield United would want him starting most games but not sure where he fits in a diamond 4-4-2 with Murray one of the first names on the team sheet plus Roberts, Weeks and Whitehouse.
We could go back to the 4-2-3-1 and have Maguire wide but that had problems of its own in isolating the forward.
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Post by league2 on Sept 15, 2023 10:32:13 GMT
Premier League clubs had to submit their final 25-man first team squad for the season earlier this week and Maguire has been included in Sheffield United’s. Word is their manager isn’t happy with how he’s being used by us with bit-part substitute appearances (two starts and four sub appearances so far) - as with Tyrer, you’d expect a PL loan to be one of your star players and in the team every week in the NLN six tiers below. Problem is he’s looked average so far, he’s basically Murray’s backup for that attacking central position but Murray is easily one of our best X1. He’s shown quick feet to get at tiring defences late on in games but when he’s started he’s underwhelmed. Good option to have on the bench to get on the ball and get at defenders but can understand where Heckingbottom is coming from. Unsure if there was a formal arrangement around game time - sure there would’ve been with Tyrer being a keeper. Not quite true he has been included in the u21 and academy premiership list wich all teams have to submit |
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Post by Al on Sept 15, 2023 10:37:27 GMT
Premier League clubs had to submit their final 25-man first team squad for the season earlier this week and Maguire has been included in Sheffield United’s. Word is their manager isn’t happy with how he’s being used by us with bit-part substitute appearances (two starts and four sub appearances so far) - as with Tyrer, you’d expect a PL loan to be one of your star players and in the team every week in the NLN six tiers below. Problem is he’s looked average so far, he’s basically Murray’s backup for that attacking central position but Murray is easily one of our best X1. He’s shown quick feet to get at tiring defences late on in games but when he’s started he’s underwhelmed. Good option to have on the bench to get on the ball and get at defenders but can understand where Heckingbottom is coming from. Unsure if there was a formal arrangement around game time - sure there would’ve been with Tyrer being a keeper. Heckingbottom hasn't said a word about it. Stop trying to stir up trouble for Cal and the player |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 15, 2023 10:42:31 GMT
Premier League clubs had to submit their final 25-man first team squad for the season earlier this week and Maguire has been included in Sheffield United’s. Word is their manager isn’t happy with how he’s being used by us with bit-part substitute appearances (two starts and four sub appearances so far) - as with Tyrer, you’d expect a PL loan to be one of your star players and in the team every week in the NLN six tiers below. Problem is he’s looked average so far, he’s basically Murray’s backup for that attacking central position but Murray is easily one of our best X1. He’s shown quick feet to get at tiring defences late on in games but when he’s started he’s underwhelmed. Good option to have on the bench to get on the ball and get at defenders but can understand where Heckingbottom is coming from. Unsure if there was a formal arrangement around game time - sure there would’ve been with Tyrer being a keeper. Heckingbottom hasn't said a word about it. Stop trying to stir up trouble for Cal and the player Just what I'd heard from a Sheffield United fan that's all, assumed they would know more of what's going on at their club than we do. No intention to stir up anything, as I said he hasn't overly impressed enough to force Murray out of the team. |
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Post by Blockhead on Sept 15, 2023 10:43:50 GMT
Premier League clubs had to submit their final 25-man first team squad for the season earlier this week and Maguire has been included in Sheffield United’s. Word is their manager isn’t happy with how he’s being used by us with bit-part substitute appearances (two starts and four sub appearances so far) - as with Tyrer, you’d expect a PL loan to be one of your star players and in the team every week in the NLN six tiers below. Problem is he’s looked average so far, he’s basically Murray’s backup for that attacking central position but Murray is easily one of our best X1. He’s shown quick feet to get at tiring defences late on in games but when he’s started he’s underwhelmed. Good option to have on the bench to get on the ball and get at defenders but can understand where Heckingbottom is coming from. Unsure if there was a formal arrangement around game time - sure there would’ve been with Tyrer being a keeper. Not quite true he has been included in the u21 and academy premiership list wich all teams have to submit Under-21s aren't even included in the 25-man Premier League squad |
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Post by cmbwa on Sept 15, 2023 10:51:24 GMT
Premier League clubs had to submit their final 25-man first team squad for the season earlier this week and Maguire has been included in Sheffield United’s. Word is their manager isn’t happy with how he’s being used by us with bit-part substitute appearances (two starts and four sub appearances so far) - as with Tyrer, you’d expect a PL loan to be one of your star players and in the team every week in the NLN six tiers below. Problem is he’s looked average so far, he’s basically Murray’s backup for that attacking central position but Murray is easily one of our best X1. He’s shown quick feet to get at tiring defences late on in games but when he’s started he’s underwhelmed. Good option to have on the bench to get on the ball and get at defenders but can understand where Heckingbottom is coming from. Unsure if there was a formal arrangement around game time - sure there would’ve been with Tyrer being a keeper. “Word is” You’ve just made it up you silly prick |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 15, 2023 10:52:51 GMT
Just what I'd heard from a Sheffield United fan that's all, assumed they would know more of what's going on at their club than we do so understandably I took his word for it.
The abusive retort is wholly unnecessary.
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Post by Curva Nord on Sept 15, 2023 11:01:07 GMT
I'd say the staff and management would know more about their own clubs than what fans do. Check your sources
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 15, 2023 11:04:39 GMT
I dunno, its fair to assume when a fan of a club you don't follow says something in conversation about their club that we shouldn't have to then go scouring their club's messageboards or contacting their club directly to verify it. Its normal to take what they've said at face value.
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Post by Curva Nord on Sept 15, 2023 11:06:45 GMT
I doubt we’re paying him a wage. We'll be making a contribution, in some cases parent clubs will pay the players wage if he is starting, if the player isn't the loaner club will pay. I imagine we will be paying a percentage towards his wage |
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Post by Curva Nord on Sept 15, 2023 11:09:05 GMT
I dunno, its fair to assume when a fan of a club you don't follow says something in conversation about their club that we shouldn't have to then go scouring their club's messageboards or contacting their club directly. Its normal to take what they've said at face value. Do you take everything you're told at face value, or do you go and research it? |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 15, 2023 11:12:20 GMT
I dunno, its fair to assume when a fan of a club you don't follow says something in conversation about their club that we shouldn't have to then go scouring their club's messageboards or contacting their club directly. Its normal to take what they've said at face value. Do you take everything you're told at face value, or do you go and research it? If you asked a Bootle fan how Lewis Earl is getting on in his loan spell would you then read all their match reports on their website and scour their forums for other opinions to verify his or her opinion? Seems a bit unnecessary. |
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Post by highpeakblue on Sept 15, 2023 11:29:24 GMT
Do you take everything you're told at face value, or do you go and research it? If you asked a Bootle fan how Lewis Earl is getting on in his loan spell would you then read all their match reports on their website and scour their forums for other opinions to verify his or her opinion? Seems a bit unnecessary. I think I'd find out what the actual situation is before posting it on our message board as a truth. Just makes you look silly. Sorry. |
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Post by Curva Nord on Sept 15, 2023 11:30:08 GMT
Yes I probably would, so I get a broader view, and a better idea.
So you just limit yourself to one point of view? Seems pretty blinkered, this is on form for you though isn't it. Copying and pasting a view without reading
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 15, 2023 11:40:59 GMT
If you asked a Bootle fan how Lewis Earl is getting on in his loan spell would you then read all their match reports on their website and scour their forums for other opinions to verify his or her opinion? Seems a bit unnecessary. I think I'd find out what the actual situation is before posting it on our message board as a truth. Just makes you look silly. Sorry. Glad you have the time to be doing all that, personally I'd rather take a friend's word for it rather than doubting what they say. |
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Post by Lobster on Sept 15, 2023 11:46:56 GMT
I think I'd find out what the actual situation is before posting it on our message board as a truth. Just makes you look silly. Sorry. Glad you have the time to be doing all that, personally I'd rather take a friend's word for it rather than doubting what they say. I think you could have saved yourself hassle with simple phrases like "A Sheffield United supporting friend told me..." and "if it's true". You've phrased it like an entry in the Daily Star's gossip column, which makes it look like stirring something up based on a vague rumour. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 15, 2023 11:49:38 GMT
Glad you have the time to be doing all that, personally I'd rather take a friend's word for it rather than doubting what they say. I think you could have saved yourself hassle with simple phrases like "A Sheffield United supporting friend told me..." and "if it's true". You've phrased it like an entry in the Daily Star's gossip column, which makes it look like stirring something up based on a vague rumour. Fair point, will amend. |
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Sept 15, 2023 11:53:43 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 15, 2023 11:59:48 GMT
Amended.
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Post by league2 on Sept 15, 2023 12:13:17 GMT
Not quite true he has been included in the u21 and academy premiership list wich all teams have to submit Under-21s aren't even included in the 25-man Premier League squad If you take a look at the submitted premier league lists, which I dont know why they call it a 25 man squad you will find all the scholars under 21 ect are all listed |
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Post by highpeakblue on Sept 15, 2023 12:18:31 GMT
I think I'd find out what the actual situation is before posting it on our message board as a truth. Just makes you look silly. Sorry. Glad you have the time to be doing all that, personally I'd rather take a friend's word for it rather than doubting what they say. A minute to glance at Sheffield United's first team squad would show no Frankie Maguire. You have a minute to type on here, couldn't you spend an extra minute to verify the basic facts, as to me it seems unlikely that we would be getting a first team squad player from a premiership team. Saves you looking foolish. |
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Post by avfo on Sept 15, 2023 12:19:51 GMT
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Post by Al on Sept 15, 2023 12:22:52 GMT
Heckingbottom hasn't said a word about it. Stop trying to stir up trouble for Cal and the player Just what I'd heard from a Sheffield United fan that's all, assumed they would know more of what's going on at their club than we do. No intention to stir up anything, as I said he hasn't overly impressed enough to force Murray out of the team. Ever stop to think it was a deliberate ploy to wind you up into posting it on DC? |
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Post by Curva Nord on Sept 15, 2023 12:34:40 GMT
Just what I'd heard from a Sheffield United fan that's all, assumed they would know more of what's going on at their club than we do. No intention to stir up anything, as I said he hasn't overly impressed enough to force Murray out of the team. Ever stop to think it was a deliberate ploy to wind you up into posting it on DC? He's not that clever |
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Post by highpeakblue on Sept 15, 2023 12:38:43 GMT
So, in effect, every single U21 and scholar is listed there, no matter where they are playing at this moment. A non-discussion. |
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