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Post by waggoner on Apr 11, 2024 19:30:16 GMT
I was reading an article about WXM and their promotion season from the National league. Wrexham’s wage bill stood at £6.9 million for the year ending June 2023. This in non league. How the hell can any club complete with that? I would imagine that the wage bill for this year will be much higher. When they reach their level and have to complete on a level playing field with bigger clubs the bubble will burst. The sad fact for us in my opinion is that if true and the amounts of money washing around in NL/L2 are true then we will never progress any more than we have because there is no way we could ever throw the money that WXM FGR and Chesterfield have done at it.......for anyone interested link
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Post by jamieablock on Apr 11, 2024 20:20:05 GMT
Who cares about Wrexham, how much money they’ve got, Money they’ve have and Money they will have in the future. Stick to Chester fella. We all know it will go tits up in the end
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Post by agl on Apr 11, 2024 20:39:01 GMT
I was reading an article about WXM and their promotion season from the National league. Wrexham’s wage bill stood at £6.9 million for the year ending June 2023. This in non league. How the hell can any club complete with that? I would imagine that the wage bill for this year will be much higher. When they reach their level and have to complete on a level playing field with bigger clubs the bubble will burst. The sad fact for us in my opinion is that if true and the amounts of money washing around in NL/L2 are true then we will never progress any more than we have because there is no way we could ever throw the money that WXM FGR and Chesterfield have done at it.......for anyone interested linkYou are picking extreme examples. For every Wrexham, or Chesterfield, there is a Halifax, Wealdstone, Maidenhead, Aldershot, Bromley, Kidderminster. Are you seriously saying we shouldn't be trying to emulate these clubs rather than just throwing the towel in and knocking around regional football leagues forever? Forget Wrexham..they got lucky.
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Post by weareblues on Apr 11, 2024 22:29:57 GMT
Costs clubs a fortune to compete at that level crazy how much that leagues changed since we've been relegated. Not much difference in standard from top half NL to league 2 these days.
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Post by waggoner on Apr 12, 2024 3:43:14 GMT
I was reading an article about WXM and their promotion season from the National league. Wrexham’s wage bill stood at £6.9 million for the year ending June 2023. This in non league. How the hell can any club complete with that? I would imagine that the wage bill for this year will be much higher. When they reach their level and have to complete on a level playing field with bigger clubs the bubble will burst. The sad fact for us in my opinion is that if true and the amounts of money washing around in NL/L2 are true then we will never progress any more than we have because there is no way we could ever throw the money that WXM FGR and Chesterfield have done at it.......for anyone interested linkYou are picking extreme examples. For every Wrexham, or Chesterfield, there is a Halifax, Wealdstone, Maidenhead, Aldershot, Bromley, Kidderminster. Are you seriously saying we shouldn't be trying to emulate these clubs rather than just throwing the towel in and knocking around regional football leagues forever? Forget Wrexham..they got lucky. How the hell did they get lucky? It’s not luck it’s money. I’m not saying we should give up what I’m saying is that we cannot compete against the kind of money that is getting thrown around as for playing in the regional leagues? I reckon this is our level and we cannot compete in NL. Remember last time we tried to compete at NL level? We were 7 days away from folding
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 12, 2024 3:59:31 GMT
You are picking extreme examples. For every Wrexham, or Chesterfield, there is a Halifax, Wealdstone, Maidenhead, Aldershot, Bromley, Kidderminster. Are you seriously saying we shouldn't be trying to emulate these clubs rather than just throwing the towel in and knocking around regional football leagues forever? Forget Wrexham..they got lucky. How the hell did they get lucky? It’s not luck it’s money. I’m not saying we should give up what I’m saying is that we cannot compete against the kind of money that is getting thrown around as for playing in the regional leagues? I reckon this is our level and we cannot compete in NL. Remember last time we tried to compete at NL level? We were 7 days away from folding Why do you just regurgitate the same stuff all the time? They got lucky because 2 rich actors bought them. Really quite simple to understand for a grown man.
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Post by agl on Apr 12, 2024 6:42:53 GMT
How the hell did they get lucky? It’s not luck it’s money. I’m not saying we should give up what I’m saying is that we cannot compete against the kind of money that is getting thrown around as for playing in the regional leagues? I reckon this is our level and we cannot compete in NL. Remember last time we tried to compete at NL level? We were 7 days away from folding Why do you just regurgitate the same stuff all the time? They got lucky because 2 rich actors bought them. Really quite simple to understand for a grown man. Sort of the point I was making, although in a slightly nicer way 😃
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 12, 2024 7:03:14 GMT
Why do you just regurgitate the same stuff all the time? They got lucky because 2 rich actors bought them. Really quite simple to understand for a grown man. Sort of the point I was making, although in a slightly nicer way 😃 He clearly wasn’t understanding your nicer way. 😉
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Post by Imperial on Apr 12, 2024 7:11:11 GMT
Should also point out that their owners that they’re oh so lucky to have, are actually lending them this money & charging them interest. It’s only a matter of time before that comes back to bite them in the arse. Tick tock.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 12, 2024 7:42:15 GMT
Should also point out that their owners that they’re oh so lucky to have, are actually lending them this money & charging them interest. It’s only a matter of time before that comes back to bite them in the arse. Tick tock. Tick stock unless........ The plan will be to get them into the Championship, then sell, as they "aren't able to properly fund any further progress". The club will be worth more like £50m to a prospective buyer at that level. The amount owed will be around £15m by then, or £20m if they get stuck in L1 for a couple of years. The owners then walk away with with the remaining £30m profit.
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Post by Imperial on Apr 12, 2024 7:51:45 GMT
Should also point out that their owners that they’re oh so lucky to have, are actually lending them this money & charging them interest. It’s only a matter of time before that comes back to bite them in the arse. Tick tock. Tick stock unless........ The plan will be to get them into the Championship, then sell, as they "aren't able to properly fund any further progress". The club will be worth more like £50m to a prospective buyer at that level. The amount owed will be around £15m by then, or £20m if they get stuck in L1 for a couple of years. The owners then walk away with with the remaining £30m profit. The debt isn’t being taken on by the owners though, it’s being loaded onto the club.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 12, 2024 7:52:47 GMT
Don't see any point in threads like this. What is the message or warning behind them? What action should we be taking about this situation?
"Even if we got promoted, it would all be pointless." Right, very nice, thank you.
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Post by Moltisanti on Apr 12, 2024 8:18:00 GMT
Don't see any point in threads like this. What is the message or warning behind them? What action should we be taking about this situation? "Even if we got promoted, it would all be pointless." Right, very nice, thank you. Always the same people repeating the same stuff. Why would you bother going
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Post by Blockhead on Apr 12, 2024 9:02:31 GMT
Tick stock unless........ The plan will be to get them into the Championship, then sell, as they "aren't able to properly fund any further progress". The club will be worth more like £50m to a prospective buyer at that level. The amount owed will be around £15m by then, or £20m if they get stuck in L1 for a couple of years. The owners then walk away with with the remaining £30m profit. The debt isn’t being taken on by the owners though, it’s being loaded onto the club. Yes, so they will pay the £20m back to themselves, leaving a £30m profit from a £50m sale.
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Post by Imperial on Apr 12, 2024 11:59:37 GMT
The debt isn’t being taken on by the owners though, it’s being loaded onto the club. Yes, so they will pay the £20m back to themselves, leaving a £30m profit from a £50m sale. They might do but I don’t think they’d be under any obligation to do so meaning they could well walk away with the £50m + be owed £20m.
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Post by waggoner on Apr 12, 2024 12:00:52 GMT
Don't see any point in threads like this. What is the message or warning behind them? What action should we be taking about this situation? "Even if we got promoted, it would all be pointless." Right, very nice, thank you. Always the same people repeating the same stuff. Why would you bother going I go because i am a fan. Unlike some on here i have a grasp of reality. Year on year we are falling further behind. In 2022/23 there were 21 full time clubs in the National league and there are a growing number in our league too. Some have said recently that we get over 2000 every week which would give us a decent budget, but not really because we are a sort of cooperative living on what we generate from home games, our model is a survival model this does not mean because our crowds are bigger we are better. Consider Bradford City in L2. They average around 18,000 and cannot get near promotion. Our situation is; we are non league and always will be. We have not moved forwards with everyone else, we have stayed static. GIVE UP? NO? accept it for what it is because at best we are a yoyo club who will have good seasons getting into the play offs and shit seasons getting relegated again. So what's the answer? I don't have a clue, but I know we are not going to suddenly sweep through the leagues. Well not upwards anyway!
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Post by Imperial on Apr 12, 2024 12:23:46 GMT
Always the same people repeating the same stuff. Why would you bother going I go because i am a fan. Unlike some on here i have a grasp of reality. Year on year we are falling further behind. In 2022/23 there were 21 full time clubs in the National league and there are a growing number in our league too. Some have said recently that we get over 2000 every week which would give us a decent budget, but not really because we are a sort of cooperative living on what we generate from home games, our model is a survival model this does not mean because our crowds are bigger we are better. Consider Bradford City in L2. They average around 18,000 and cannot get near promotion. Our situation is; we are non league and always will be. We have not moved forwards with everyone else, we have stayed static. GIVE UP? NO? accept it for what it is because at best we are a yoyo club who will have good seasons getting into the play offs and shit seasons getting relegated again. So what's the answer? I don't have a clue, but I know we are not going to suddenly sweep through the leagues. Well not upwards anyway! If you genuinely believe that then what’s the point of your original post? If you’re right & we’re stuck where we are for the foreseeable then what? I don’t care what any other club can or can’t achieve regardless of their bigger or smaller budgets, I care about what we can do & I firmly believe that we can get out of this division, maybe not this year but it’s doable.
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Post by waggoner on Apr 12, 2024 14:38:35 GMT
I go because i am a fan. Unlike some on here i have a grasp of reality. Year on year we are falling further behind. In 2022/23 there were 21 full time clubs in the National league and there are a growing number in our league too. Some have said recently that we get over 2000 every week which would give us a decent budget, but not really because we are a sort of cooperative living on what we generate from home games, our model is a survival model this does not mean because our crowds are bigger we are better. Consider Bradford City in L2. They average around 18,000 and cannot get near promotion. Our situation is; we are non league and always will be. We have not moved forwards with everyone else, we have stayed static. GIVE UP? NO? accept it for what it is because at best we are a yoyo club who will have good seasons getting into the play offs and shit seasons getting relegated again. So what's the answer? I don't have a clue, but I know we are not going to suddenly sweep through the leagues. Well not upwards anyway! If you genuinely believe that then what’s the point of your original post? If you’re right & we’re stuck where we are for the foreseeable then what? I don’t care what any other club can or can’t achieve regardless of their bigger or smaller budgets, I care about what we can do & I firmly believe that we can get out of this division, maybe not this year but it’s doable. But is it sustainable if we get out of this league? I don't think it is. Well not without rifling through the usual pockets (about 600) to get even more towards boost the budget and even if we got 200k this way it;s peanuts compared to what others have. For clarification. My original post highlights just how much money is needed to get into the EFL. My view is that we cannot generate that sort of money because our revenue streams are very limited. And our chances of progress is also limited too
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Post by Lobster on Apr 12, 2024 15:20:54 GMT
If you genuinely believe that then what’s the point of your original post? If you’re right & we’re stuck where we are for the foreseeable then what? I don’t care what any other club can or can’t achieve regardless of their bigger or smaller budgets, I care about what we can do & I firmly believe that we can get out of this division, maybe not this year but it’s doable. But is it sustainable if we get out of this league? I don't think it is. Well not without rifling through the usual pockets (about 600) to get even more towards boost the budget and even if we got 200k this way it;s peanuts compared to what others have. For clarification. My original post highlights just how much money is needed to get into the EFL. My view is that we cannot generate that sort of money because our revenue streams are very limited. And our chances of progress is also limited too So what's your solution? I'm afraid it just comes across as a whine.
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Post by noddy on Apr 12, 2024 15:30:24 GMT
But is it sustainable if we get out of this league? I don't think it is. Well not without rifling through the usual pockets (about 600) to get even more towards boost the budget and even if we got 200k this way it;s peanuts compared to what others have. For clarification. My original post highlights just how much money is needed to get into the EFL. My view is that we cannot generate that sort of money because our revenue streams are very limited. And our chances of progress is also limited too So what's your solution? I'm afraid it just comes across as a whine. Sorry Lobster, I kind of understand where Waggoner is coming from. It is reality, certainly not a whine I don't think. As for solutions, there's isn't one! We just do what we do, live within out means and hope to eventually make the national league, might only be for one season but it would be good to find out! A good cup run would help!
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Post by agl on Apr 12, 2024 16:01:33 GMT
I'm not aware anyone has mentioned EFL. Our aim must be promotion, then have a decent crack at stabilising in NL. So what if we're a yo yo club...at least yo yos go up sometimes.
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Post by Imperial on Apr 12, 2024 16:31:39 GMT
If you genuinely believe that then what’s the point of your original post? If you’re right & we’re stuck where we are for the foreseeable then what? I don’t care what any other club can or can’t achieve regardless of their bigger or smaller budgets, I care about what we can do & I firmly believe that we can get out of this division, maybe not this year but it’s doable. But is it sustainable if we get out of this league? I don't think it is. Well not without rifling through the usual pockets (about 600) to get even more towards boost the budget and even if we got 200k this way it;s peanuts compared to what others have. For clarification. My original post highlights just how much money is needed to get into the EFL. My view is that we cannot generate that sort of money because our revenue streams are very limited. And our chances of progress is also limited too No idea, if it is great, if not then maybe we come back down, so what? It’s like you’re looking at your bank account & saying you don’t know if you can afford a mansion. We live within our means & go as far as we can.
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Post by Matt on Apr 13, 2024 15:07:18 GMT
I was reading an article about WXM and their promotion season from the National league. Wrexham’s wage bill stood at £6.9 million for the year ending June 2023. This in non league. How the hell can any club complete with that? I would imagine that the wage bill for this year will be much higher. When they reach their level and have to complete on a level playing field with bigger clubs the bubble will burst. The sad fact for us in my opinion is that if true and the amounts of money washing around in NL/L2 are true then we will never progress any more than we have because there is no way we could ever throw the money that WXM FGR and Chesterfield have done at it.......for anyone interested linkIf the CFU were able to get loans from the bank and put the Club 10 million in debt then we could probably be in league two by now as well Looking at it realistically the Club just needs to expand it's revenue streams. Clubs like Halifax and Altrincham have shown it can be done.
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Post by waggoner on Apr 13, 2024 15:32:12 GMT
I'm not aware anyone has mentioned EFL. Our aim must be promotion, then have a decent crack at stabilising in NL. So what if we're a yo yo club...at least yo yos go up sometimes. When we reformed there was a 10 year plan to get into the EFL. We are bought loan notes raised cash and bought into the concept. The model used was exactly what we have now. We pissed this division a few years back but football has evolved and we have not, we have stayed the same. It is time we tried something different but I don't know what. Anyone who cannot see that the pack are moving away from us year on year. We need money...lots of it
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Post by Curva Nord on Apr 13, 2024 15:36:43 GMT
I'm not aware anyone has mentioned EFL. Our aim must be promotion, then have a decent crack at stabilising in NL. So what if we're a yo yo club...at least yo yos go up sometimes. When we reformed there was a 10 year plan to get into the EFL. We are bought loan notes raised cash and bought into the concept. The model used was exactly what we have now. We pissed this division a few years back but football has evolved and we have not, we have stayed the same. It is time we tried something different but I don't know what. Anyone who cannot see that the pack are moving away from us year on year. We need money...lots of it Because we were paying the best players in the league 500 quid a game, if one player didn't work out, another was immediately shipped in. We spunked all the money we had
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Post by Al on Apr 13, 2024 19:04:32 GMT
I'm not aware anyone has mentioned EFL. Our aim must be promotion, then have a decent crack at stabilising in NL. So what if we're a yo yo club...at least yo yos go up sometimes. When we reformed there was a 10 year plan to get into the EFL. We are bought loan notes raised cash and bought into the concept. The model used was exactly what we have now. We pissed this division a few years back but football has evolved and we have not, we have stayed the same. It is time we tried something different but I don't know what. Anyone who cannot see that the pack are moving away from us year on year. We need money...lots of it I disagree that we've stayed the same. We haven't, we have a top top facility in the KGV which we could have only ever dreamed of for years and years
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Post by muchwenlock on Apr 13, 2024 19:21:07 GMT
When we reformed there was a 10 year plan to get into the EFL. We are bought loan notes raised cash and bought into the concept. The model used was exactly what we have now. We pissed this division a few years back but football has evolved and we have not, we have stayed the same. It is time we tried something different but I don't know what. Anyone who cannot see that the pack are moving away from us year on year. We need money...lots of it I disagree that we've stayed the same. We haven't, we have a top top facility in the KGV which we could have only ever dreamed of for years and years What good is it doing for the first team exactly yes it is brilliant for the community trust by the way
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Post by yoshimitsu on Apr 13, 2024 19:23:15 GMT
I disagree that we've stayed the same. We haven't, we have a top top facility in the KGV which we could have only ever dreamed of for years and years What good is it doing for the first team exactly yes it is brilliant for the community trust by the way Somewhere to call home? A regular place to train near the ground. A million times better than what the players had to put up with? That good enough for you?
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Post by muchwenlock on Apr 13, 2024 20:04:00 GMT
What good is it doing for the first team exactly yes it is brilliant for the community trust by the way Somewhere to call home? A regular place to train near the ground. A million times better than what the players had to put up with? That good enough for you? Yes we all know that but what money does it generate
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Post by Curva Nord on Apr 13, 2024 20:06:55 GMT
Somewhere to call home? A regular place to train near the ground. A million times better than what the players had to put up with? That good enough for you? Yes we all know that but what money does it generate In the sense we can say to players we have this facility, you turn up, train, eat shower and change at, unlike with BJ when they were ringing up Goals locations all over the north west to hire a pitch, I'd say it earns us money in we can lure in a high calibre of player as we have a more professional set up
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