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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on May 27, 2024 11:40:16 GMT
Nothing to really celebrate but he achieved runner up in euros which is second of course and he also achieved 3rd in nations league. Neither major honours but still he’s won something like He’s the most successful England manager since we won it. A WC semi & a Euros final. Failed against a Croatia side 16 places below us in the FIFA rankings and failed against an ageing Italian side despite taking a 2nd minute lead. Clueless tactics.
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on May 27, 2024 11:42:25 GMT
Do you think every international manager who hasn’t won anything is shit? Nothing to really celebrate but he achieved runner up in euros which is second of course and he also achieved 3rd in nations league. Neither major honours but still he’s won something like Relegated in Nations league.
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Post by southernblue on May 27, 2024 12:15:07 GMT
Linesman linesman. The famous game against Netherlands when so many decisions went against Graham Taylor has to be a game when a manager says where did I go wrong except for the officials. But then again he had already been called a turnip. But he did have major players all injured. "That blond man shouldn't have been on the pitch."
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Post by Imperial on May 27, 2024 13:00:46 GMT
He’s the most successful England manager since we won it. A WC semi & a Euros final. Failed against a Croatia side 16 places below us in the FIFA rankings and failed against an ageing Italian side despite taking a 2nd minute lead. Clueless tactics. So every top ranked side that don’t win have failed? Every time a side lose to a team ranked lower than them in the arbitrary FIFA rankings they’ve failed? Absolute nonsense. You are aware only one team can win these competitions right? He’s objectively achieved more than any other England manager in my lifetime. You can say you don’t like the way he sets his teams up or whatever but to call him a failure is daft.
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Post by Imperial on May 27, 2024 13:01:02 GMT
Nothing to really celebrate but he achieved runner up in euros which is second of course and he also achieved 3rd in nations league. Neither major honours but still he’s won something like Relegated in Nations league. 😂😂😂
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Post by Lobster on May 27, 2024 18:24:00 GMT
He’s the most successful England manager since we won it. A WC semi & a Euros final. Failed against a Croatia side 16 places below us in the FIFA rankings and failed against an ageing Italian side despite taking a 2nd minute lead. Clueless tactics. The FIFA rankings are a load of shite. Croatia also got to the semis of the last World Cup. Italy were the best team in that tournament, aging or not. People keep coming up with put-downs about Southgate but he's made England into a solid quarters/semis side, which they weren't before. Two years before he arrived we went out to Iceland. And it's not even a very good bunch of players compared to what we had from 2002-2010. I do fear this will be one tournament too many for him though. Should probably have left after the last World Cup.
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on May 27, 2024 18:41:43 GMT
Failed against a Croatia side 16 places below us in the FIFA rankings and failed against an ageing Italian side despite taking a 2nd minute lead. Clueless tactics. The FIFA rankings are a load of shite. Croatia also got to the semis of the last World Cup. Italy were the best team in that tournament, aging or not. People keep coming up with put-downs about Southgate but he's made England into a solid quarters/semis side, which they weren't before. Two years before he arrived we went out to Iceland. And it's not even a very good bunch of players compared to what we had from 2002-2010. I do fear this will be one tournament too many for him though. Should probably have left after the last World Cup. I can't believe you are sticking up for him. Total failure throughout his career with Middlesboro, England u23 and the senior team. He's just a yes man for the suits at the FA.
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Post by Lobster on May 27, 2024 19:00:06 GMT
The FIFA rankings are a load of shite. Croatia also got to the semis of the last World Cup. Italy were the best team in that tournament, aging or not. People keep coming up with put-downs about Southgate but he's made England into a solid quarters/semis side, which they weren't before. Two years before he arrived we went out to Iceland. And it's not even a very good bunch of players compared to what we had from 2002-2010. I do fear this will be one tournament too many for him though. Should probably have left after the last World Cup. I can't believe you are sticking up for him. Total failure throughout his career with Middlesboro, England u23 and the senior team. He's just a yes man for the suits at the FA. What part of what I said isn't true?
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Post by Imperial on May 27, 2024 19:12:43 GMT
I can't believe you are sticking up for him. Total failure throughout his career with Middlesboro, England u23 and the senior team. He's just a yes man for the suits at the FA. What part of what I said isn't true? The facts are irrelevant. It’s not just Leeds, loads of people have it in for Southgate for some reason. Doesn’t play the most attractive brand of footy I suppose but I’d rather win ugly than lose pretty & he gives us the best chance we’ve ever had of actually winning something.
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Post by properblue87 on May 27, 2024 19:36:46 GMT
Roll on the euros anyone saying this is in the wrong place must be Welsh!
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Post by tooth on May 27, 2024 21:09:11 GMT
I never know where I am with Southgate a good coach yes restored pride back in the nation but lets be fair England should of won the last euros easy route to the final and bottled the final they are a good bet but favourites not for me certainly not at 3 to 1
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Post by league2 on May 27, 2024 22:39:14 GMT
Roll on the euros anyone saying this is in the wrong place must be Welsh! That was my thinking aswell
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Post by properblue87 on Jun 3, 2024 6:59:54 GMT
Tonight it all starts is anyone else country over club god save the king🏴
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Post by Moltisanti on Jun 3, 2024 7:14:21 GMT
I’d rather Chester win the NLN over England winning The Euros.
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Post by noddy on Jun 3, 2024 8:36:19 GMT
Tonight it all starts is anyone else country over club god save the king🏴 What starts? Euro's start the 14th June.
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Post by deesideblue1 on Jun 3, 2024 8:48:21 GMT
Tonight it all starts is anyone else country over club god save the king🏴 God save the king….Ffs you’re a grown man. Sooner he bites the dust, the better.
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Post by highpeakblue on Jun 3, 2024 9:00:46 GMT
It's a friendly FFS. I'll watch the Euros, but tonight...nah.
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Post by Imperial on Jun 3, 2024 9:03:11 GMT
I’m not sure which I’d rather tbh. I’d be absolutely ecstatic with either or even better; both.
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Post by Imperial on Jun 3, 2024 9:05:13 GMT
Tonight it all starts is anyone else country over club god save the king🏴 God save the king….Ffs you’re a grown man. Sooner he bites the dust, the better. You’re a grown man wishing death on an elderly man who has devoted his life to his country. Disagreeing with the concept of monarchy is one thing, wishing death on someone is just vile. God save the King 🏴🇬🇧
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Post by deesideblue1 on Jun 3, 2024 9:13:47 GMT
God save the king….Ffs you’re a grown man. Sooner he bites the dust, the better. You’re a grown man wishing death on an elderly man who has devoted his life to his country. Disagreeing with the concept of monarchy is one thing, wishing death on someone is just vile. God save the King 🏴🇬🇧 Just wish it comes to him sooner….. Dislike everything they stand for and middle aged men quoting ‘God save the King’ all summer is the absolute pits.
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on Jun 3, 2024 9:42:37 GMT
I never know where I am with Southgate a good coach yes restored pride back in the nation but lets be fair England should of won the last euros easy route to the final and bottled the final they are a good bet but favourites not for me certainly not at 3 to 1 Bobby Robson or Terry Venables would have won both those trophies with these players.
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Post by combover on Jun 3, 2024 10:00:29 GMT
I never know where I am with Southgate a good coach yes restored pride back in the nation but lets be fair England should of won the last euros easy route to the final and bottled the final they are a good bet but favourites not for me certainly not at 3 to 1 Bobby Robson or Terry Venables would have won both those trophies with these players. Robson and Venables had better players and won nothing.
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Post by vandycandy on Jun 3, 2024 10:01:51 GMT
Tonight it all starts is anyone else country over club god save the king🏴 I'm club before country. You live & breathe the highs & lows of your club season after season. With England it's a major tournament every 2 years, don't get me wrong I'm an England fan when they're playing but for me nothing compares to 3pm on a Saturday down at the Deva.
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Post by Al on Jun 3, 2024 10:24:04 GMT
Bobby Robson or Terry Venables would have won both those trophies with these players. Robson and Venables had better players and won nothing. Absolutely this, the Italia 90 squad and Euro 96 squads had more strength I feel. And both managers failed to get the team over the line when it mattered most. Southgate is the most successful England manager since 66 when it comes to performances in major tournaments, can't knock that record whatsoever. People can go on about so and so would have done better, but guess what.. They had their chance in their time and they didn't do better.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 3, 2024 11:14:44 GMT
People are still into all this King stuff, really? Kind of hoped it would fizzle out once the Queen died.
I love international tournaments but England friendlies are as boring as football gets to me. If we must play teams like Bosnia and Iceland it feels like we should be playing them away from home. In domestic football it's usually the smaller team that plays at home and it gets you used to playing in front of an intimidating crowd, which you have to do if you want to win a tournament.
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Post by yoshimitsu on Jun 3, 2024 12:20:23 GMT
People are still into all this King stuff, really? Kind of hoped it would fizzle out once the Queen died. I love international tournaments but England friendlies are as boring as football gets to me. If we must play teams like Bosnia and Iceland it feels like we should be playing them away from home. In domestic football it's usually the smaller team that plays at home and it gets you used to playing in front of an intimidating crowd, which you have to do if you want to win a tournament. Money innit.
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on Jun 3, 2024 14:52:37 GMT
Bobby Robson or Terry Venables would have won both those trophies with these players. Robson and Venables had better players and won nothing. No they didn't.
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Post by combover on Jun 3, 2024 16:03:49 GMT
Robson and Venables had better players and won nothing. No they didn't. Oh yes they did . It's panto season already
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Post by Lobster on Jun 3, 2024 16:20:33 GMT
Robson and Venables had better players and won nothing. No they didn't. Robson's England went out of Euro '88 with three defeats, which today would probably have got him sacked. The 1990 team was pretty modest. I see that team as quite similar to the one now, pretty likeable and maybe benefited from a kind route to the semis. You could easily level the same same criticism Southgate often faces that we got to the 1990 semis without beating anyone of note. England should have won Euro 1996. I still expect Gazza to put that chance away every time I see it. People forget that Darren Anderson also missed a sitter a few minutes before that. The main reason I stick up for Southgate is I look at the England team from 2000 to 2010 and see seven or eight players where you wouldn't have swapped them for too many other players in the world, yet they never came close to winning anything, somehow managing not to even qualify for Euro 2008. 2002 was a real missed opportunity as nobody was any good in that tournament, if England had won their group they'd have been laughing. That's another thing when you talk about lucky routes to the final, you make your own luck to an extent by being strong in qualifying so you get seeded, and winning your group to give you a better chance of easier ties. Southgate has usually done both those things.
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Post by tooth on Jun 4, 2024 4:47:52 GMT
Tonight it all starts is anyone else country over club god save the king🏴 so you support germans which the royal family are also singing god save the king who was king Charles best friend jimmy saville sums the anthem and that family up
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