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Post by Lobster on Jun 30, 2024 18:40:51 GMT
I would absolutely hate this England team if I was from any other country! Dreadful to watch and riding their luck. Things have got to change.
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Post by Lon on Jun 30, 2024 18:52:14 GMT
Ahaha we’re genuinely going to shithouse this tournament. That Bellingham goal ahahah unreal
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Post by vandycandy on Jun 30, 2024 18:56:51 GMT
I would absolutely hate this England team if I was from any other country! Dreadful to watch and riding their luck. Things have got to change. Agree with you 100% hence my thoughts on Italy. If I wasn't English I'd want England out. The Swiss are going to be a much tougher prospect.
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on Jun 30, 2024 19:35:43 GMT
England won that despite Safegate.
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Post by devadiva on Jun 30, 2024 20:21:19 GMT
Spain = everything England isn’t. No sign of any change in approach from Handbrake. Switzerland will play us off the park at this rate.
Whoever makes it out of the top half of the draw deserve to win in the end just by virtue of who they will have to beat to get there. After this round every game in the top half could have been a final.
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Post by tooth on Jun 30, 2024 20:22:07 GMT
The swiss will do us
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Post by tooth on Jun 30, 2024 20:23:47 GMT
The swiss have the most underrated centre half in the league akanji and they are well drilled
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Post by tooth on Jun 30, 2024 20:24:46 GMT
Ahaha we’re genuinely going to shithouse this tournament. That Bellingham goal ahahah unreal [br great goal yes shit team hell yes
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Post by chesterken on Jun 30, 2024 20:40:47 GMT
Spain look like the real deal.
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Post by thebluevision on Jun 30, 2024 21:38:55 GMT
Anyone with a footballing brain knows that England are still favourites to bring it home with our talented group of players. We’re showing real character
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Post by noddy on Jun 30, 2024 22:04:15 GMT
Anyone with a footballing brain knows that England are still favourites to bring it home with our talented group of players. We’re showing real character I do hope this was said with intended sarcasm!
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Post by borussiachester on Jun 30, 2024 23:22:16 GMT
You’d normally expect an ending like we saw in that England game to reaffirm to you why you love the sport so much, but I’d honestly say it’s had the opposite effect - it’s made me question whether I really do enjoy watching football as much as I claim to. If you took all the emotion out of it, you’d probably have to come to the conclusion that England were the better side and ‘deserved’ the win… but it feels very difficult to say that this bunch deserve anything right now. It doesn’t feel particularly meritocratic that a set of players who’ve let themselves down with their performances over the four games thus far are now in the quarter-finals, yet all the results they’ve picked up have probably been the correct ones on the balance of play. Tonight was a relief, in the end, but surely not cause for any real celebration.
On the other hand, I thought Spain vs Georgia was really enjoyable, and unlike boring old England, showcased exactly what tournament football ought to be about, with both sides playing with passion and intent and employing contrasting, but equally enjoyable, tactics. Spain are yet to face a truly tough test, but look fantastic nonetheless - I’m tempted to say that whoever wins the game between them and Germany will win the whole thing. Georgia bow out with their heads held high, having defied all expectations and won plenty of admirers, and it’s difficult to overestimate just how transformative an effect their achievements could have on the development of football in a predominantly rugby-playing country. The likes of Kvaratskhelia, Mikautadze and Mamardashvili are still only in their early 20s - how great would it be to see them at the World Cup ten years from now, leading the next generation of players whom their performances at these Euros will have helped to inspire?
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Post by waggoner on Jul 1, 2024 7:01:05 GMT
You’d normally expect an ending like we saw in that England game to reaffirm to you why you love the sport so much, but I’d honestly say it’s had the opposite effect - it’s made me question whether I really do enjoy watching football as much as I claim to. If you took all the emotion out of it, you’d probably have to come to the conclusion that England were the better side and ‘deserved’ the win… but it feels very difficult to say that this bunch deserve anything right now. It doesn’t feel particularly meritocratic that a set of players who’ve let themselves down with their performances over the four games thus far are now in the quarter-finals, yet all the results they’ve picked up have probably been the correct ones on the balance of play. Tonight was a relief, in the end, but surely not cause for any real celebration. On the other hand, I thought Spain vs Georgia was really enjoyable, and unlike boring old England, showcased exactly what tournament football ought to be about, with both sides playing with passion and intent and employing contrasting, but equally enjoyable, tactics. Spain are yet to face a truly tough test, but look fantastic nonetheless - I’m tempted to say that whoever wins the game between them and Germany will win the whole thing. Georgia bow out with their heads held high, having defied all expectations and won plenty of admirers, and it’s difficult to overestimate just how transformative an effect their achievements could have on the development of football in a predominantly rugby-playing country. The likes of Kvaratskhelia, Mikautadze and Mamardashvili are still only in their early 20s - how great would it be to see them at the World Cup ten years from now, leading the next generation of players whom their performances at these Euros will have helped to inspire? I think I understand Southgate’s tactics now. Play safe tippy tappy football. Wait until opposition die of boredom then hit them while they sleep
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Post by devadiva on Jul 1, 2024 7:12:43 GMT
You’d normally expect an ending like we saw in that England game to reaffirm to you why you love the sport so much, but I’d honestly say it’s had the opposite effect - it’s made me question whether I really do enjoy watching football as much as I claim to. If you took all the emotion out of it, you’d probably have to come to the conclusion that England were the better side and ‘deserved’ the win… but it feels very difficult to say that this bunch deserve anything right now. It doesn’t feel particularly meritocratic that a set of players who’ve let themselves down with their performances over the four games thus far are now in the quarter-finals, yet all the results they’ve picked up have probably been the correct ones on the balance of play. Tonight was a relief, in the end, but surely not cause for any real celebration. On the other hand, I thought Spain vs Georgia was really enjoyable, and unlike boring old England, showcased exactly what tournament football ought to be about, with both sides playing with passion and intent and employing contrasting, but equally enjoyable, tactics. Spain are yet to face a truly tough test, but look fantastic nonetheless - I’m tempted to say that whoever wins the game between them and Germany will win the whole thing. Georgia bow out with their heads held high, having defied all expectations and won plenty of admirers, and it’s difficult to overestimate just how transformative an effect their achievements could have on the development of football in a predominantly rugby-playing country. The likes of Kvaratskhelia, Mikautadze and Mamardashvili are still only in their early 20s - how great would it be to see them at the World Cup ten years from now, leading the next generation of players whom their performances at these Euros will have helped to inspire? Well said. If a miracle happens and we were to win it, the whole thing will be tainted by the way we won it - before you know it we’d be the “least deserving winners of the Euros ever”, etc. I’m a bit torn between winning but with the caveat that we played the most awful football or going out with our heads held high like the Georgians. Anyway, am sure it won’t be a problem I’ll have to worry about as I don’t see us getting past Switzerland. As I’ve said above, whoever gets through the top half of the draw deserves to win imho.
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Post by tooth on Jul 1, 2024 7:18:07 GMT
I do think Slovakia have themselves to blame trying to time waste
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Post by waggoner on Jul 1, 2024 7:59:09 GMT
I do think Slovakia have themselves to blame trying to time waste Exactly. Comes back to haunt you if you fall behind. Notice how none of them were going down with ‘cramp’ with a few mins of extra time to go
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on Jul 1, 2024 8:59:27 GMT
Amazingly we played well yesterday for 2 minutes, but it was enough.
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on Jul 1, 2024 9:00:49 GMT
I do think Slovakia have themselves to blame trying to time waste Exactly. Comes back to haunt you if you fall behind. Notice how none of them were going down with ‘cramp’ with a few mins of extra time to go Yes it reminded me of when we played Gloucester City 2 seasons ago.
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Post by jimianto on Jul 1, 2024 9:53:36 GMT
Southgate is the luckiest man alive! Yet you know after 4 shockers, he'll probably make little change to the system. England were so bad. I thought only Rice actually played well. That front 4 doesn't work, the fact that Bellingham and Kane scored really papers over the cracks. Like others have said, look how Spain played. It will be more of the same on Saturday, yet it wouldn't surprise me if we scraped through again. It's so painful though.
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Post by bing on Jul 1, 2024 10:11:48 GMT
Perhaps we're being too harsh on Southgate and he's played an absolute blinder, ensuring that there is zero feel-good factor in the country which could inadvertently benefit the tories on Thursday.
Joking aside, Daniel Sturridge summed it up perfectly... because we make no runs in behind, it doesn't open up space for our flair players to operate in. We are so easy to play against. The contrast watching the first 10 minutes of the Spain vs Georgia was stark - almost like watching two different sports.
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Post by Imperial on Jul 1, 2024 10:15:34 GMT
Absolutely loved it. It’s coming home.
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Post by dc2cfc on Jul 1, 2024 11:21:36 GMT
Bitter/Sweet - Into the Quarter Finals but Southgate still remains in charge.
The interview after the game where he mentions Toney was furious about not coming on, of course he would be furious. His job got saved with 2 minutes to go, honestly an absolute fraud of a manager. Stubborn and tactically clueless,
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Post by Lobster on Jul 1, 2024 12:01:42 GMT
Eze and Toney changed the game I thought. There's an argument Eze was man of the match, he did more than anyone else even though he wasn't on the pitch until the 84th minute.
The subs came far too late. It took a long throw into the box and a moment of individual brilliance, but like others, I didn't feel any euphoria, just a massive feeling of "you lucky bastards". Probably a sign that I'm not that passionate about England.
Spain gave a lesson on how to approach games where you're the favourite, despite going behind. If England can turn it on in the remaining games all this will be forgotten about, but there needs to be fundamental changes. It doesn't just lie with Southgate either, some players need to look at themselves
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jul 1, 2024 13:53:36 GMT
I agree. Toney and Eze changed the game. I really like Toney, he is aggressive and quick, and his movement causes problems.
The defensive subs at 2-1 were horrific. Could and should have gone on and got a couple more. Would have been great for confidence.
Eze, Toney and Palmer have to start on Saturday.
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Post by noddy on Jul 1, 2024 14:20:56 GMT
I agree. Toney and Eze changed the game. I really like Toney, he is aggressive and quick, and his movement causes problems. The defensive subs at 2-1 were horrific. Could and should have gone on and got a couple more. Would have been great for confidence. Eze, Toney and Palmer have to start on Saturday. The defensive subs at 2-1 were horrific
I thought the same, Italy all over again trying to hang on to what we had rather than kill a game off.
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Post by jimianto on Jul 1, 2024 14:55:57 GMT
Eze and Toney changed the game I thought. There's an argument Eze was man of the match, he did more than anyone else even though he wasn't on the pitch until the 84th minute. The subs came far too late. It took a long throw into the box and a moment of individual brilliance, but like others, I didn't feel any euphoria, just a massive feeling of "you lucky bastards". Probably a sign that I'm not that passionate about England. Spain gave a lesson on how to approach games where you're the favourite, despite going behind. If England can turn it on in the remaining games all this will be forgotten about, but there needs to be fundamental changes. It doesn't just lie with Southgate either, some players need to look at themselves I thought Eze was OK, but I didn't see that he created too much. Bet he loved being told to go an play left back!! Looks like he is ahead of Gordon in the pecking order now, which I wouldn't agree with. Thought Toney was great though. Totally agree with the lack of euphoria. If Chester had scored a goal like that, I would have been full on 'Golllllllaaazzzzoooo'. But when it went in, I was like you, just thinking that Southgate was such a lucky sod. I think his teams suck the life out of fans. The main feeling at the end for me was, that he better be more positive next time - the same thoughts as the previous 3 games. He won't take the handbrake off, his stubborn nature is maddening. On another issue, I am not too sure I have warmed to Bellingham, particularly and 'paradoxly' after that goal. His Berty Big ones attitude doesn't sit right with me. All that waving his hands at his team mates, the semi-permanent sulky scowl and the 'who else?' boast after his goal. Some amazing talent, but is he a great team player?
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Post by vandycandy on Jul 1, 2024 15:23:01 GMT
Southgate is the luckiest man alive! Yet you know after 4 shockers, he'll probably make little change to the system. England were so bad. I thought only Rice actually played well. That front 4 doesn't work, the fact that Bellingham and Kane scored really papers over the cracks. Like others have said, look how Spain played. It will be more of the same on Saturday, yet it wouldn't surprise me if we scraped through again. It's so painful though. Agreed. Southgate just doesn't learn. He doesn't see what we see, he sees a scrappy turgid win as a brilliant performance & justification for the way he has England play. It wouldn't surprise me if England scrape through to another final only to get absolutely smashed against a Spain or Germany.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 1, 2024 17:08:59 GMT
These two French and Belgian sides have been boring as well and a betrayal of the talent in their squads. Good riddance to whichever one of them goes out after this.
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Post by Harry Lime on Jul 1, 2024 17:37:38 GMT
These two French and Belgian sides have been boring as well and a betrayal of the talent in their squads. Good riddance to whichever one of them goes out after this. To slightly defend France, it's difficult when the opposition just sit in and don't bother to attack at all. It is really dull though. Wouldn't be in a hurry to watch England v Belgium any time soon.
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Post by vandycandy on Jul 1, 2024 17:56:23 GMT
Dare I say it but I think Belgium are even worse to watch than England. Very disappointed in France too for that matter they also look very poor.
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