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Post by Moltisanti on Jul 5, 2024 4:44:28 GMT
How many seats have the tories lost, anyone know?
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Post by Lon on Jul 5, 2024 4:58:34 GMT
How many seats have the tories lost, anyone know? 214 and counting according to BBC |
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Post by Moltisanti on Jul 5, 2024 5:00:37 GMT
How many seats have the tories lost, anyone know? 214 and counting according to BBC Fantastic Uxbridge gone to Labour too 😂 |
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Post by tooth on Jul 5, 2024 5:00:40 GMT
Rees Mogg and Gullis lost their seats What a day mourdant as well only bad thing hunt kept his seat |
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Post by tooth on Jul 5, 2024 5:35:48 GMT
Apparently labour will win with the lowest share of the vote for any government that has a majority government the lib Dems did well
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Post by tooth on Jul 5, 2024 5:58:21 GMT
And it gets better as Liz thrush has lost her seat I'm afraid she's responsible for the Tory demise
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Post by Lobster on Jul 5, 2024 7:15:49 GMT
A hilariously shite performance from the Tories. Last I saw before going to bed was Angela Leadsom driveling on about how this shows they were too "woke".
Hope they never get back in.
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Post by yoshimitsu on Jul 5, 2024 7:26:27 GMT
As far as I can tell, it’s Reform splitting the Tory vote that enabled Labour to get in. Not complaining mind!
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Post by tooth on Jul 5, 2024 9:01:59 GMT
Jeremy Hunt is going to be next Tory leader it gets better also surprised I haven't mentioned this grant schnapps going transport is in a mess he's responsible for that
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Post by milnerisgod on Jul 5, 2024 10:06:45 GMT
Jeremy Hunt is going to be next Tory leader it gets better also surprised I haven't mentioned this grant schnapps going transport is in a mess he's responsible for that He may be the next one, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Farage ends up switching to them over the next few years and leads them into the next election. |
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Jul 5, 2024 11:17:22 GMT
And it gets better as Liz thrush has lost her seat I'm afraid she's responsible for the Tory demise Boris Johnson must take his fair share of the blame as well - although seen as the Messiah to a lot within the tory party, to the majority of the general public he's a liar, was incompitent and untrustworthy - the conservatives were stained after Partygate. |
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Post by welshrover on Jul 5, 2024 12:58:00 GMT
I suppose the one thing this election throws up yet again is the long standing Liberal Democrats ideology of Proportional Representation.
We now have a party with a huge majority but just 35% of what was at 60% a low turnout.
Put in pure numbers terms it shows only 14 million people out of the current estimated population of 67 million have actually voted in this government.
The proportion of voters was down 8% on the last election, have a lot of people just "accepted their fate" and have become disillusioned with Politicians, regardless of party?
The SNP vote, to me anyway, shows a lack of trust in the people the Scottish people had previously voted in and one would think that trust had been eroded by the various "scandals" etc that have happened up there.
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Post by milnerisgod on Jul 5, 2024 14:41:22 GMT
Much as I despise Reform, there does seem something wrong in the fact that they can get around 15% of the vote and only get 4 MPs, compared to Labour's 35% and 412, or Lib Dems 13% and 71. The surge in the reform vote also saw Labour turn a 80 seat deficit into a 170+ majority, despite only increasing their vote share by 2%
Interesting that the FPTP system has aided Lib Dems in this election, but to be fair, Ed Davey was still supporting a PR system in his interview this morning.
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Post by Curva Nord on Jul 5, 2024 19:51:02 GMT
If you were Conservatives, would you even want to run the country?
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Post by yoshimitsu on Jul 5, 2024 20:15:15 GMT
FPTP drives me nuts.
Some form of PR, where every vote mattered, would, I think, encourage a greater turn out.
If it results in less outright winners and more coalitions so be it.
A fair price to pay I think.
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Jul 5, 2024 21:41:57 GMT
FPTP drives me nuts. Some form of PR, where every vote mattered, would, I think, encourage a greater turn out. If it results in less outright winners and more coalitions so be it. A fair price to pay I think. To put this into perspective Sinn Fein votes total 210,000 and they win 7 seats. Reform & the Green Parties have 6m votes between them but win only one more seat. |
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Post by borussiachester on Jul 5, 2024 22:53:21 GMT
Jeremy Hunt is going to be next Tory leader it gets better also surprised I haven't mentioned this grant schnapps going transport is in a mess he's responsible for that He may be the next one, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Farage ends up switching to them over the next few years and leads them into the next election. Funny though it would’ve been if Hunt had lost his seat, I’m weirdly quite glad he didn’t, on reflection - it’s pretty important that the Tories retain at least a few influential moderates in their ranks to prevent the party from being lost to the populist culture warriors even more than it already has been. Rather hope he becomes leader, to be honest - as dislikable as he may be, you’d at least expect him to conduct himself with dignity and respect, and also to potentially take a harder line against Farage and co. I’d rather an opposition that were tough on Labour on fiscal issues than on social ones. Realistically, though, we all know what’ll happen - the Tory membership will elect the most right-wing candidate, and we’ll end up with someone like Badenoch or Braverman as LOTO who’ll do nothing other than ramp up the vacuous ‘anti-woke’ rhetoric and seek to inflame tensions in the country further, all whilst cosying up further and further with Reform. |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 6, 2024 13:48:13 GMT
As far as I can tell, it’s Reform splitting the Tory vote that enabled Labour to get in. Not complaining mind! It's fine for now, and I'm enjoying seeing the Tories' demise, but it's quite ominous for the future. I certainly don't see this election as any sort of victory for fairer or more progressive politics. Some other countries are reporting that we're moving left while most of Europe moves right, but a closer look shows that we now have two prominent parties a long way to the right, and Labour have moved to what I would call right of centre as well. Turnout is down considerably which I imagine is basically the left not bothering as there was no real option (I voted Green but I don't particularly identify with them). I can't see the public really taking to Starmer, so I do look at countries like France and Italy and worry that this is where we're heading. The Tories are thinking they need to move further to the right, but Political Compass already has them down as right of Reform. It's their bad behaviour that's cost them more than their politics I think. Don't really understand the resurgence of the Lib Dems. Wasn't Ed Davey something to do with the Post Office scandal? I'm guessing they've just benefited from tactical voting in areas where Labour are unpopular. The SNP's collapse has probably killed off the Scottish independence date for a while. To the Scots' credit they don't seem interested in any of this Reform crap up there. Sinn Fein now being the main Northern Irish party has got to open up a proper debate about a united Ireland, surely? Like in England though, they've benefited more from a split right-wing/unionist vote than anything. From this side of the Irish Sea it's hard to understand what the DUP, UUP, TUV and and several other unionist parties are squabbling about as they all seem to represent more or less the same thing. Just shows that lot can start a fight in an empty room. |
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Post by welshrover on Jul 6, 2024 19:00:51 GMT
I suppose the elephant in the room for the Conservatives is could they have lost votes because of Rishi's ethnicity?
I feel sure even though we now appear to live in a more tolerant society there will still be people who would resent Rishi for his skin colour.
Back to PR, have never given it a lot of thought until this election but the percentages verses seats does seem a bit lop sided.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 6, 2024 19:20:14 GMT
I suppose the elephant in the room for the Conservatives is could they have lost votes because of Rishi's ethnicity? I feel sure even though we now appear to live in a more tolerant society there will still be people who would resent Rishi for his skin colour. Back to PR, have never given it a lot of thought until this election but the percentages verses seats does seem a bit lop sided. I think it's a fair point. Certainly I struggled to understand why else Tory party members initially chose Liz Truss, who already had a track record of making a fool of herself, ahead of him. I think it's more an unconscious bias thing though. Not many people these days would overtly say they don't want a non-white PM, but when Farage says Sunak doesn't understand our culture, it's pretty obvious what he's getting at. But, Sunak failed to condemn the often racist language used by Lee Anderson and Stella Braverman, among others, so he is complicit in setting this tone. |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 6, 2024 21:20:44 GMT
FPTP drives me nuts. Some form of PR, where every vote mattered, would, I think, encourage a greater turn out. If it results in less outright winners and more coalitions so be it. A fair price to pay I think. To put this into perspective Sinn Fein votes total 210,000 and they win 7 seats. Reform & the Green Parties have 6m votes between them but win only one more seat. Also, more people voted Labour in 2019 than in 2024, yet that was a wipeout and this is a landslide. I sense Labour put a lot of time, money and research into working out which voters they needed to win over and where. |
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Post by Greasby Blue on Jul 7, 2024 12:31:43 GMT
The Lib Dems have won Henley, Whitney and Maidenhead.
Why am I telling you this I hear you ask.
They are the former seats of Boris Johnson, David Cameron and Theresa May.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 7, 2024 16:04:25 GMT
One thing I would never want British politics to lose is moments like this.  |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jul 9, 2024 12:16:40 GMT
He may be the next one, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Farage ends up switching to them over the next few years and leads them into the next election. Funny though it would’ve been if Hunt had lost his seat, I’m weirdly quite glad he didn’t, on reflection - it’s pretty important that the Tories retain at least a few influential moderates in their ranks to prevent the party from being lost to the populist culture warriors even more than it already has been. Rather hope he becomes leader, to be honest - as dislikable as he may be, you’d at least expect him to conduct himself with dignity and respect, and also to potentially take a harder line against Farage and co. I’d rather an opposition that were tough on Labour on fiscal issues than on social ones. Realistically, though, we all know what’ll happen - the Tory membership will elect the most right-wing candidate, and we’ll end up with someone like Badenoch or Braverman as LOTO who’ll do nothing other than ramp up the vacuous ‘anti-woke’ rhetoric and seek to inflame tensions in the country further, all whilst cosying up further and further with Reform. Unfortunately the Tory membership cannot be trusted. See Truss. I think we all knew it was going to come to an end once Labour ditched the divisive Corbyn. I know Starmer is basically Macron but less interesting but it meant they appear sensible, certainly in the light of Tory implosion. I did predict this on here 2019 tbf... |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 9, 2024 14:56:41 GMT
Funny though it would’ve been if Hunt had lost his seat, I’m weirdly quite glad he didn’t, on reflection - it’s pretty important that the Tories retain at least a few influential moderates in their ranks to prevent the party from being lost to the populist culture warriors even more than it already has been. Rather hope he becomes leader, to be honest - as dislikable as he may be, you’d at least expect him to conduct himself with dignity and respect, and also to potentially take a harder line against Farage and co. I’d rather an opposition that were tough on Labour on fiscal issues than on social ones. Realistically, though, we all know what’ll happen - the Tory membership will elect the most right-wing candidate, and we’ll end up with someone like Badenoch or Braverman as LOTO who’ll do nothing other than ramp up the vacuous ‘anti-woke’ rhetoric and seek to inflame tensions in the country further, all whilst cosying up further and further with Reform. Unfortunately the Tory membership cannot be trusted. See Truss. I think we all knew it was going to come to an end once Labour ditched the divisive Corbyn. I know Starmer is basically Macron but less interesting but it meant they appear sensible, certainly in the light of Tory implosion. I did predict this on here 2019 tbf... Fair play, but interesting that you compare him to Macron, because look where he is now. My concern is that if Starmer and Labour fail to connect with voters, there are now two sizable opposition parties seemingly fighting over which can go further to the right. Not dissimilar in America with Biden actually. They got Trump out by going for this safe, familiar "Uncle Joe" character, but it was always likely to be a problem once his first four years were up and there seems a depressing inevitability about Trump's return to the Whitehouse. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jul 10, 2024 12:17:47 GMT
Thats how I see Starmer, great when things can only get better but like Macron he doesnt have any likeability. Just a bland guy in a suit and if the wheels start to come off then we'll see it.
His best home is having Suella or Badenoch opposite him at the despatch.
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Post by Si on Jul 10, 2024 15:11:34 GMT
I'm arsed what he looks like in a suit or how likable he is - I'll be judging him on what he delivers and if he can improve the state of the country compared to what it is now.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 11, 2024 22:36:46 GMT
On to US election funnies now, where Boden has just introduced Zelensky to the stage as President Putin!
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Post by welshrover on Jul 11, 2024 22:50:00 GMT
On to US election funnies now, where Boden has just introduced Zelensky to the stage as President Putin! You mean Biden! You have your own blooper there 😊 |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 11, 2024 22:53:17 GMT
On to US election funnies now, where Boden has just introduced Zelensky to the stage as President Putin! You mean Biden! You have your own blooper there 😊 Bloody autocorrect. Why my phone is correcting Biden to Boden I don't know! |
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