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Post by poolepirate on Jun 19, 2017 12:22:17 GMT
So Lucas is back training with the blues even though it appears he's not been offered a contract
Macca described him as a gem when he first signed for us I wonder what has changed?
Dave Powell says him signing unlikely due to budget issues but if Luke George had signed his contract that wage would have to had been found from budget so we must assume J.M. must have changed his mind on Lucas.
Big Chris is back as coach it seems we knew he had been offered a role but was it reported anywhere he had accepted the offer?
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Post by Hannibal on Jun 19, 2017 12:30:14 GMT
He might be training with us while he finds a club.
I thought big Chris was gone, so disappointed that he's still here.
Judging by the results since he came in I doubt he'd would have been missed.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jun 19, 2017 14:53:29 GMT
No disrespect, but I'm still struggling to see how Wade Joyce/Liam Davies have signed on but Lucas Dawson is only training with us. I think that he can still offer us something, if he can stay on a small wage.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 15:30:10 GMT
No disrespect, but I'm still struggling to see how Wade Joyce/Liam Davies have signed on but Lucas Dawson is only training with us. I think that he can still offer us something, if he can stay on a small wage. You may have answered your own question, it's probably a difference in wages |
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Post by sqzl on Jun 19, 2017 15:35:25 GMT
No disrespect, but I'm still struggling to see how Wade Joyce/Liam Davies have signed on but Lucas Dawson is only training with us. I think that he can still offer us something, if he can stay on a small wage. You may have answered your own question, it's probably a difference in wages With cost of living being so high, you can't blame him either if he's looking for a deal elsewhere if we can only offer him a few hundred. It's easy to look at players who aren't as talented and expect them to take less money but everyones personal situation are different, players with children etc will naturally be looking to get as much as possible. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 19, 2017 16:05:00 GMT
Kingsley James' return looks to have put pay to any new deal for Dawson unless we can find some cash form somewhere, which is a shame IMO as he looked the sort of midfielder we've lacked since we came up four years ago. Our central midfield looks set to be James and Turnbull with Shaw taking more of a backseat and Joyce as backup utility player (right back and central midfield) and we probably cannot afford a fifth. Really hope we can find the funds to at least tie Dawson to a six-month contract though. He's obviously "on trial" to keep up his fitness during pre-season.
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Post by MPW on Jun 19, 2017 16:30:53 GMT
Funny how people see things differently. He never impressed me at all, he always got booked and rarely completed a pass. Given the he choice of him and Joyce, I suppose Dawson has the greater potential, but nether should have been retained imo.
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Post by hbomb on Jun 19, 2017 16:31:29 GMT
Not sure how it works but, has Alabi officially rejected his contract from us? We all know he's not going to sign it but do we have to keep it open to get the compensation? If so will there potentially be a bit more money there then?
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Post by Lobster on Jun 19, 2017 17:11:19 GMT
Got to be honest, I keep forgetting which one out of Dawson and Davies is which. I think Dawson impressed me the more of the two but not sure. Think I lost interest towards the end of the season!
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Post by thevoice on Jun 19, 2017 17:26:25 GMT
liam is only on a 6 month contract so if it don't work when it runs out we can always release him as for joyce i was disapointed he stayed however with more expeirence heads around next season he could actually be a better player for us
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Post by jb on Jun 19, 2017 17:27:24 GMT
I thought Joyce, Davies and Dawson did not deserve contracts on the basis of last season's efforts, should've all been shipped out. I remember one game last season in which Dawson couldn't find a Chester player all game with a pass. Thankfully the two midfielders we've signed are a class above.
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Post by bluefrombirth on Jun 19, 2017 17:56:42 GMT
Talk about a player splitting opinion. Dawson was class for us in the second half of the season. Yes he gave the ball away on occasion in the wrong areas but he had been out the game for a while. What he was doing though was getting his head up and looking for the through ball. The amount of times I saw him put a ball in between the centre half and the full back for Alabi to run into, into towards goal was bout short of impressive. difference is it was Alabi running into it, who everyone's somehow rated highly, could neither read or correctly bend his run down the back line. Those two or threee games when akintunde played, we carried a threat because Dawson knew he could put a ball in behind and into space and Akko would get on the end of it. Should definitely be signed up
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Post by thevoice on Jun 19, 2017 18:36:49 GMT
Not sure how it works but, has Alabi officially rejected his contract from us? We all know he's not going to sign it but do we have to keep it open to get the compensation? If so will there potentially be a bit more money there then? by the sounds of it he's rejected the contract offer and i think he's moved back down south |
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Post by billyw on Jun 19, 2017 18:49:17 GMT
Talk about a player splitting opinion. Dawson was class for us in the second half of the season. Yes he gave the ball away on occasion in the wrong areas but he had been out the game for a while. What he was doing though was getting his head up and looking for the through ball. The amount of times I saw him put a ball in between the centre half and the full back for Alabi to run into, into towards goal was bout short of impressive. difference is it was Alabi running into it, who everyone's somehow rated highly, could neither read or correctly bend his run down the back line. Those two or threee games when akintunde played, we carried a threat because Dawson knew he could put a ball in behind and into space and Akko would get on the end of it. Should definitely be signed up I'm with you - I think Dawson could be a very good player with some games under his belt and could earn us a few bob. |
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Post by Hannibal on Jun 19, 2017 19:06:06 GMT
Funny how people see things differently. He never impressed me at all, he always got booked and rarely completed a pass. Given the he choice of him and Joyce, I suppose Dawson has the greater potential, but nether should have been retained imo. How was he a good player if he rarely (see Above). A liability in my opinion. |
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Post by Anders on Jun 19, 2017 19:43:53 GMT
Dawson had been out of the game for a bit before he joined us, so is entitled to come a bit from the experience. I remember standing on the terrace at Forest Green and he was the one player that I was thinking might slot in to their team, because he was on the same wavelength. He has good vision and eye for a pass but it’s the execution that needs to improve. A negative with him is that he occasionally looked awkward on a less than perfect pitch, or artificial one.
Definitely something there with him though, hope we can sort something out as he’s showed plenty of potential in my opinion.
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Post by agl on Jun 19, 2017 21:41:25 GMT
Looked a good prospect if he has someone around him to do the donkey work and at least looked capable of threading a pass. Worth persevering with IMO.
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Post by peterkaysock on Jun 20, 2017 6:06:08 GMT
Funny how people see things differently. He never impressed me at all, he always got booked and rarely completed a pass. Given the he choice of him and Joyce, I suppose Dawson has the greater potential, but nether should have been retained Totally agree, is 2nd ball was awful he got stuck admittedly but could not follow up with a complete pass, better out there |
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Post by sqzl on Jun 20, 2017 7:43:42 GMT
Funny how people see things differently. He never impressed me at all, he always got booked and rarely completed a pass. Given the he choice of him and Joyce, I suppose Dawson has the greater potential, but nether should have been retained Totally agree, is 2nd ball was awful he got stuck admittedly but could not follow up with a complete pass, better out there We always say there's better out there, it's a pretty obvious nothing comment really. We have a budget and players we can attract, we have two midfielders that are better than Dawson IMO, but if you're looking at having a bit of strength in depth, which we are lacking, he may make a decent addition. He's a player with great vision, looks to play the sort of balls in behind Hannah would thrive off. While Kingsley is the better option for the first 11, he's someone who could replace the balls in behind. JM described Joyce as great value for money last season, maybe because you can stick him anywhere in midfield or at full back and he will do an average job for you. |
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Post by RonD on Jun 20, 2017 15:27:41 GMT
Funny how people see things differently. He never impressed me at all, he always got booked and rarely completed a pass. Given the he choice of him and Joyce, I suppose Dawson has the greater potential, but nether should have been retained imo. Totally agree. I didn't see anything in Dawson to suggest he could hold a regular place down. Everybody sees different things in players. Good luck to the lad though. |
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Post by sqzl on Jun 20, 2017 15:31:14 GMT
Funny how people see things differently. He never impressed me at all, he always got booked and rarely completed a pass. Given the he choice of him and Joyce, I suppose Dawson has the greater potential, but nether should have been retained imo. Totally agree. I didn't see anything in Dawson to suggest he could hold a regular place down. Everybody sees different things in players. Good luck to the lad though. Would agree with that statement, i don't think he will hold down a starting place if signed. However every team needs players that can have an impact on a game if we're losing. Not every game will James and Turnbull be performing or we may need someone to come on a bolster the midfield. I'd much rather see Dawson doing that than Joyce personally. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Jun 20, 2017 20:00:51 GMT
With Turnball's injury record, the back up centre midfielder is crucial. Joyce is a woeful option in that circumstance. Can anyone name one area that Joyce excels? Dawson has vision and can see a pass, but his execution was often poor. When he did make a pass, it often led to something. Both Joyce and Davies were nothing re-signings and I wouldn't want either anywhere near the squad, unless it was a Cheshire Senior Cup game.
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Post by Anders on Jun 20, 2017 20:37:05 GMT
With Turnball's injury record, the back up centre midfielder is crucial. Joyce is a woeful option in that circumstance. Can anyone name one area that Joyce excels? Dawson has vision and can see a pass, but his execution was often poor. When he did make a pass, it often led to something. Both Joyce and Davies were nothing re-signings and I wouldn't want either anywhere near the squad, unless it was a Cheshire Senior Cup game. Bit harsh on Davies, he was thrust in to senior football for the first time for those final three games of the season and was played out of position at wing back. Did chip in with a nicely taken goal with his head, ironically from a decent Joyce cross in. Difficult to judge him yet. I’m not really a fan of Joyce though, he’s certainly a trier but just playing above his level. I imagine McCarthy’s line of thinking is that he’s a cheap option who can fill in here and there in various positions. He looks a bit too far up the pecking order for my liking at the moment though. |
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Post by noddy on Jun 20, 2017 21:19:28 GMT
With Turnball's injury record, the back up centre midfielder is crucial. Joyce is a woeful option in that circumstance. Can anyone name one area that Joyce excels? Dawson has vision and can see a pass, but his execution was often poor. When he did make a pass, it often led to something. Both Joyce and Davies were nothing re-signings and I wouldn't want either anywhere near the squad, unless it was a Cheshire Senior Cup game. Bit harsh on Davies, he was thrust in to senior football for the first time for those final three games of the season and was played out of position at wing back. Did chip in with a nicely taken goal with his head, ironically from a decent Joyce cross in. Difficult to judge him yet. I’m not really a fan of Joyce though, he’s certainly a trier but just playing above his level. I imagine McCarthy’s line of thinking is that he’s a cheap option who can fill in here and there in various positions. He looks a bit too far up the pecking order for my liking at the moment though. Harsh maybe, but true regardless of him being played out of position. Can honestly say I've never seen a slower footballer, was skinned constantly when played as a wingback. Cheap option signing, which was in haste. Not a massive Dawson fan either but would rather have taken a chance with him on a 6 month contract rather than Davies. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jun 21, 2017 8:30:37 GMT
all about the alabi money i reckon, need a centre back desperately, arguable backup keeper and I have to agree Dawson > Joyce / Davies / Horwood
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Post by histsci on Jun 21, 2017 10:17:45 GMT
all about the alabi money i reckon, need a centre back desperately, arguable backup keeper and I have to agree Dawson > Joyce / Davies / Horwood Not sure if it's my imagination, but can't Dawson also play centre back? (Not sure that this would be the best option if so though!) As for the centre mid back up stuff - Joyce is surely behind Shaw too? I know he's taking more a back seat this season, but I can still see Shaw playing 30-35 games this year. |
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Post by sqzl on Jun 21, 2017 10:58:45 GMT
all about the alabi money i reckon, need a centre back desperately, arguable backup keeper and I have to agree Dawson > Joyce / Davies / Horwood Not sure if it's my imagination, but can't Dawson also play centre back? (Not sure that this would be the best option if so though!) As for the centre mid back up stuff - Joyce is surely behind Shaw too? I know he's taking more a back seat this season, but I can still see Shaw playing 30-35 games this year. If Shaw played 30-35 it would meant we're playing 3 centremidfielders suggesting a 4-3-3. I doubt this will be the case, id suspect a 4-2-2 with Turnbull and James in centre and Shaw not included. Could be wrong. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jun 21, 2017 11:04:47 GMT
Not sure if it's my imagination, but can't Dawson also play centre back? (Not sure that this would be the best option if so though!) As for the centre mid back up stuff - Joyce is surely behind Shaw too? I know he's taking more a back seat this season, but I can still see Shaw playing 30-35 games this year. If Shaw played 30-35 it would meant we're playing 3 centremidfielders suggesting a 4-3-3. I doubt this will be the case, id suspect a 4-2-2 with Turnbull and James in centre and Shaw not included. Could be wrong. Indeed I hope you are wrong, playing 4-2-2 we would get mullered every week  |
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Post by sqzl on Jun 21, 2017 11:15:11 GMT
If Shaw played 30-35 it would meant we're playing 3 centremidfielders suggesting a 4-3-3. I doubt this will be the case, id suspect a 4-2-2 with Turnbull and James in centre and Shaw not included. Could be wrong. Indeed I hope you are wrong, playing 4-2-2 we would get mullered every week If we play 5 at the back i'll be seriously hacked off! It didnt work at all last year and we don't have the centre backs ha ha. At least 4-4-2 we know our jobs and it worked with Sharps the messiah!  |
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Post by billyw on Jun 21, 2017 11:48:36 GMT
Indeed I hope you are wrong, playing 4-2-2 we would get mullered every week If we play 5 at the back i'll be seriously hacked off! It didnt work at all last year and we don't have the centre backs ha ha. At least 4-4-2 we know our jobs and it worked with Sharps the messiah! Whoosh - look at your previous post and you will understand eyeswideopen's comment  |
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