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Post by dmcnally on Jul 14, 2017 8:23:30 GMT
π Aren't they so deluded! Fair assessment really. The only thing I'd disagree with is Alabi better than Hannah. A mate whose been to the 2 friendlies reckons White is shite. Well tell your mate he's wrong. Harry has been good so far and banged in an absolute screamer last night on the volley.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 14, 2017 8:24:35 GMT
Here's a different slant on our odds/chances The Chronicle has an article of a couple of days ago which states that Betway have cut the odds on us finishing in the bottom four from 15/8 to 11/8. My guess is it's for one of two reasons: Either, they know something we don't (can't see what) Or, there's such miniscule amounts wagered at this level that a couple of small bets can drastically affect odds and there's been a few quid bet for us to go down. After all, the odds must reflect the amount bet and, by implication, the bookies exposure. Either way, I think these are ridiculous odds given the strengthening of the team over the summer. Probably because the signings made ain't as good as you make out, and everyone and the bookies see it. Mccombe is no better than Hudson, Alabi is a lot better than Hannah too (I know you've made other signings but none are decent and LRT is an awful full back). So your squad is actually similar if not worse, the only decent signing made is Kingsley James. The others are bang average, it's a squad assembled to try stay away from relegation. With the clown in charge of yous too, you boys could really be in trouble. But at least you can 'laugh' at Wrexham ey. Alabi better than Hannah. HAHAHAHAA π Is this bitterness because Hannah rejected you? π
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Post by blue4life on Jul 14, 2017 8:47:57 GMT
Our aim should always be play offs and not just staying up.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 14, 2017 14:34:41 GMT
Probably because the signings made ain't as good as you make out, and everyone and the bookies see it. Mccombe is no better than Hudson, Alabi is a lot better than Hannah too (I know you've made other signings but none are decent and LRT is an awful full back). So your squad is actually similar if not worse, the only decent signing made is Kingsley James. The others are bang average, it's a squad assembled to try stay away from relegation. With the clown in charge of yous too, you boys could really be in trouble. But at least you can 'laugh' at Wrexham ey. Alabi better than Hannah. HAHAHAHAA π Is this bitterness because Hannah rejected you? π I think it's hard to argue with the statement that Alabi is better than Hannah myself. He certainly had a better last season. Hannah is the more proven Conference striker and I'm glad we've signed him, but Alabi has the more potential, which is why one's gone to Tranmere and the other was released by Barrow.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 14, 2017 15:03:15 GMT
Alabi better than Hannah. HAHAHAHAA π Is this bitterness because Hannah rejected you? π I think it's hard to argue with the statement that Alabi is better than Hannah myself. He certainly had a better last season. Hannah is the more proven Conference striker and I'm glad we've signed him, but Alabi has the more potential, which is why one's gone to Tranmere and the other was released by Barrow. You've got to be kidding me. Alabi scored 17 and 6 pens, Hannah scores what was it about 25 goals? Hannah is a class beyond Alabi in every regard. π³
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Post by Lobster on Jul 14, 2017 15:50:16 GMT
I think it's hard to argue with the statement that Alabi is better than Hannah myself. He certainly had a better last season. Hannah is the more proven Conference striker and I'm glad we've signed him, but Alabi has the more potential, which is why one's gone to Tranmere and the other was released by Barrow. You've got to be kidding me. Alabi scored 17 and 6 pens, Hannah scores what was it about 25 goals? Hannah is a class beyond Alabi in every regard. π³ Alabi is nine years younger than Hannah, and still a good way off the peak of his career. He scored freely in a slightly worse team than Hannah's (and goals are goals, they don't need to be separated into penalties and non-penalties), and had very little support all season. Yes, Hannah is more established at this level, but I do think Alabi is the bigger asset and we've generally under appreciated him. He may turn out like John Murphy, who was never that fancied here and we were very surprised when Blackpool signed him from us, but he went on to have a decent FL career.
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 14, 2017 17:03:38 GMT
Fair assessment really. The only thing I'd disagree with is Alabi better than Hannah. A mate whose been to the 2 friendlies reckons White is shite. Well tell your mate he's wrong. Harry has been good so far and banged in an absolute screamer last night on the volley. Can't do that mate. He's been following the Blues for 60 odd years and will have forgotten more than you know.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 15, 2017 7:28:07 GMT
I think it's hard to argue with the statement that Alabi is better than Hannah myself. He certainly had a better last season. Hannah is the more proven Conference striker and I'm glad we've signed him, but Alabi has the more potential, which is why one's gone to Tranmere and the other was released by Barrow. You've got to be kidding me. Alabi scored 17 and 6 pens, Hannah scores what was it about 25 goals? Hannah is a class beyond Alabi in every regard. π³ You're coming across as quite bitter. As has been pointed out, you've compared the two players in the absolute very basic sense of goals scored (and that's not even a fair comparison considering Hannah's record was two seasons ago). Alabi is a young talent with a great deal of potential, Hannah barely played last season.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 15, 2017 9:58:13 GMT
You've got to be kidding me. Alabi scored 17 and 6 pens, Hannah scores what was it about 25 goals? Hannah is a class beyond Alabi in every regard. π³ You're coming across as quite bitter. As has been pointed out, you've compared the two players in the absolute very basic sense of goals scored (and that's not even a fair comparison considering Hannah's record was two seasons ago). Alabi is a young talent with a great deal of potential, Hannah barely played last season. Well I must say very well done as you've managed to talk positively. It's a shame it's just to try argue with another fan. Personally I don't care Alabi has left and I've made that opinion clear in other threads on this site. I'd much prefer Hannah. No one doubts his ability, whilst opinions on Alabi are very divided. Edit: Here's a poll I've created to get an answer, Hannah currently leads with 100% of votes.
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 15, 2017 10:26:20 GMT
You're coming across as quite bitter. As has been pointed out, you've compared the two players in the absolute very basic sense of goals scored (and that's not even a fair comparison considering Hannah's record was two seasons ago). Alabi is a young talent with a great deal of potential, Hannah barely played last season. Well I must say very well done as you've managed to talk positively. It's a shame it's just to try argue with another fan. Personally I don't care Alabi has left and I've made that opinion clear in other threads on this site. I'd much prefer Hannah. No one doubts his ability, whilst opinions on Alabi are very divided. Edit: Here's a poll I've created to get an answer, Hannah currently leads with 100% of votes. I'm not on Twitter, so can't vote, but it's Hannah all day for me. Check out his home goals on the new website.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 15, 2017 11:33:47 GMT
Well I must say very well done as you've managed to talk positively. It's a shame it's just to try argue with another fan. Personally I don't care Alabi has left and I've made that opinion clear in other threads on this site. I'd much prefer Hannah. No one doubts his ability, whilst opinions on Alabi are very divided. Edit: Here's a poll I've created to get an answer, Hannah currently leads with 100% of votes. I'm not on Twitter, so can't vote, but it's Hannah all day for me. Check out his home goals on the new website. 43 votes so far, 91% say Hannah, just 9% in favour of Alabi.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 15, 2017 12:30:36 GMT
Again, you're now comparing two different styles of players. In an ideal world, with that front two pairing we would be creaming ourselves.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 15, 2017 18:43:52 GMT
I'm not on Twitter, so can't vote, but it's Hannah all day for me. Check out his home goals on the new website. 43 votes so far, 91% say Hannah, just 9% in favour of Alabi. For a start, fans will always side with a newly arrived player over a departed one in a situation like that, but I think the only reason fans are divided over Alabi is because they see a big muscular striker who's over six foot and expect him to be some sort of superhuman who can win every header however aimless the punt towards him is, bring it down, shrug off defenders like flies and bang it in the top corner. There are parts of Alabi's game he needs to work on, no question, but his record for us was not far off a goal every two games, and 17 last season, when we were dire for a large part of it and it was his first full season as a first choice striker anywhere, I don't really see how people can argue that and not see his potential. Tranmere have and I think he'll be a success there.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 15, 2017 20:22:47 GMT
Agree and I hope he is, the lad deserves it.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 15, 2017 21:08:25 GMT
43 votes so far, 91% say Hannah, just 9% in favour of Alabi. For a start, fans will always side with a newly arrived player over a departed one in a situation like that, but I think the only reason fans are divided over Alabi is because they see a big muscular striker who's over six foot and expect him to be some sort of superhuman who can win every header however aimless the punt towards him is, bring it down, shrug off defenders like flies and bang it in the top corner. There are parts of Alabi's game he needs to work on, no question, but his record for us was not far off a goal every two games, and 17 last season, when we were dire for a large part of it and it was his first full season as a first choice striker anywhere, I don't really see how people can argue that and not see his potential. Tranmere have and I think he'll be a success there. I wish him all the best. As I've already said, "just my opinion".
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Post by Lobster on Jul 16, 2017 13:40:35 GMT
For a start, fans will always side with a newly arrived player over a departed one in a situation like that, but I think the only reason fans are divided over Alabi is because they see a big muscular striker who's over six foot and expect him to be some sort of superhuman who can win every header however aimless the punt towards him is, bring it down, shrug off defenders like flies and bang it in the top corner. There are parts of Alabi's game he needs to work on, no question, but his record for us was not far off a goal every two games, and 17 last season, when we were dire for a large part of it and it was his first full season as a first choice striker anywhere, I don't really see how people can argue that and not see his potential. Tranmere have and I think he'll be a success there. I wish him all the best. As I've already said, "just my opinion". Fair enough, and it looks like many share your opinion. I suppose I'm not really trying to create a Hannah vs Alabi argument because I think both are good strikers in different ways. I'm more trying to encourage people to be patient and supportive towards young players, as it does make a difference to how they play and their willingness to stay here.
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 16, 2017 14:02:35 GMT
Someone has done a Predict the League on another forum OneFootballForum and a worryingly large amount of fans of other clubs have got us finishing in the bottom 4.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jul 16, 2017 14:04:25 GMT
Someone has done a Predict the League on another forum OneFootballForum and a worryingly large amount of fans of other clubs have got us finishing in the bottom 4. Shouldn't it be the other way round? π
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 16, 2017 14:09:47 GMT
Someone has done a Predict the League on another forum OneFootballForum and a worryingly large amount of fans of other clubs have got us finishing in the bottom 4. Shouldn't it be the other way round? π I don't think we'll finish in the bottom four, but I also think we'll struggle to finish as high as our best finish which was 12th.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 16, 2017 14:19:04 GMT
Someone has done a Predict the League on another forum OneFootballForum and a worryingly large amount of fans of other clubs have got us finishing in the bottom 4. As has been said all summer we survived by the skin of our teeth last season under a rookie manager who had a, quite frankly, disgraceful record during the second half of the season. We have kept that manager on and lost our two best players. From the other side of the fence you can see why many fans of other clubs are predicting what they are.
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Post by rcb on Jul 16, 2017 15:21:29 GMT
Someone has done a Predict the League on another forum OneFootballForum and a worryingly large amount of fans of other clubs have got us finishing in the bottom 4. As has been said all summer we survived by the skin of our teeth last season under a rookie manager who had a, quite frankly, disgraceful record during the second half of the season. We have kept that manager on and lost our two best players. From the other side of the fence you can see why many fans of other clubs are predicting what they are. ...and several players have been allowed to leave for better clubs (based on last season), or opted to leave such as Alabi. In reply, our faith is on a player who was considered surplus to requirements and hardly played last season. Strange that several other (better)managers disagree with McCarthy's opinion on players, and his offloading of Hunt who had a very good season in my opinion. No wonder the odds are against us, in what could be a demanding season for the board.
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Post by chesterken on Jul 16, 2017 17:04:38 GMT
As has been said all summer we survived by the skin of our teeth last season under a rookie manager who had a, quite frankly, disgraceful record during the second half of the season. We have kept that manager on and lost our two best players. From the other side of the fence you can see why many fans of other clubs are predicting what they are. ...and several players have been allowed to leave for better clubs (based on last season), or opted to leave such as Alabi. In reply, our faith is on a player who was considered surplus to requirements and hardly played last season. Strange that several other (better)managers disagree with McCarthy's opinion on players, and his offloading of Hunt who had a very good season in my opinion. No wonder the odds are against us, in what could be a demanding season for the board. Why are we being so negative
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 16, 2017 17:17:59 GMT
Someone has done a Predict the League on another forum OneFootballForum and a worryingly large amount of fans of other clubs have got us finishing in the bottom 4. We're a bit of a funny one. 3rd most popular bet for promotion, yet also one of the favourites for relegation. Let's prove those latter predictions wrong COYB
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Post by rcb on Jul 16, 2017 17:22:42 GMT
...and several players have been allowed to leave for better clubs (based on last season), or opted to leave such as Alabi. In reply, our faith is on a player who was considered surplus to requirements and hardly played last season. Strange that several other (better)managers disagree with McCarthy's opinion on players, and his offloading of Hunt who had a very good season in my opinion. No wonder the odds are against us, in what could be a demanding season for the board. Why are we being so negative Not being negative, as not my views. The question relates to why others would consider us relegation candidates. I am happy with the squad so far and hope that McCarthy has learned a hell of a lot in his rookie season.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 16, 2017 17:25:54 GMT
...and several players have been allowed to leave for better clubs (based on last season), or opted to leave such as Alabi. In reply, our faith is on a player who was considered surplus to requirements and hardly played last season.Β Strange that several other (better)managers disagree with McCarthy's opinion on players, and his offloading of Hunt who had a very good season in my opinion. No wonder the odds are against us, in what could be a demanding season for the board. Why are we being so negativeΒ I think people are just being honest about their expectations. Questions have been asked on this thread about why the bookies and fans of other clubs don't fancy us, and some fans are giving possible reasons, most of which are hard to argue with, I think. I see it not so much as being negative, but trying to keep expectation levels grounded. Over optimism can be as dangerous as relentless negativity because it leads to over expectation. This in turn leads to getting on the players backs, and booing and jeering during the games, which just creates a horrible atmosphere and is one of the most offputting things about attending matches in my opinion. My expectation levels are not high this season. I hope we'll do a bit better than last season but I wouldn't be that surprised if we don't. I accept we have limitations, some of which we can do nothing about, others of which are perhaps part of a learning process for the club about things like contracts, use of finances etc. In any case, I won't be shouting and screaming and insulting people this season, because I recognise everyone has good intentions and is doing their best, so I don't think I'm a negative fan. I prefer to see it as patience and realism. I think there's a degree of blind optimism going around right now, and you never know it might all just click and we have a great year, but I prefer to quell my expectations as personally, I don't see that much reason to get overexcited. Just my opinion.
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Post by chesterken on Jul 16, 2017 17:36:30 GMT
I respect your opinions but what we have to avoid is people who are going to bring up last season every time we have a bad performance or result, we need to wipe the slate clean and judge this team on its own merits and not on what happened last season
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Post by rcb on Jul 16, 2017 18:29:04 GMT
I respect your opinions but what we have to avoid is people who are going to bring up last season every time we have a bad performance or result, we need to wipe the slate clean and judge this team on its own merits and not on what happened last season Of course I will give the team a clean sheet, but not McCarthy. After the worst five months imaginable, both on and off the field, how could I? i hope for better team selections and formations, and realistic after match interviews. Perhaps I'm being delusional now!
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 16, 2017 18:41:02 GMT
I respect your opinions but what we have to avoid is people who are going to bring up last season every time we have a bad performance or result, we need to wipe the slate clean and judge this team on its own merits and not on what happened last season Of course I will give the team a clean sheet, but not McCarthy. After the worst five months imaginable, both on and off the field, how could I? i hope for better team selections and formations, and realistic after match interviews. Perhaps I'm being delusional now! Worst five months possible? Are you forgetting the end of Chester City Football Club?
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 16, 2017 18:58:55 GMT
I respect your opinions but what we have to avoid is people who are going to bring up last season every time we have a bad performance or result, we need to wipe the slate clean and judge this team on its own merits and not on what happened last season Of course I will give the team a clean sheet, but not McCarthy. After the worst five months imaginable, both on and off the field, how could I? i hope for better team selections and formations, and realistic after match interviews. Perhaps I'm being delusional now! What angered me more was his complete and utter contempt towards the fans, the people who pay his wage, in some of those interviews which even stretched as far as singling out Deva Chat handles on the radio.
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Post by rcb on Jul 16, 2017 19:09:37 GMT
Of course I will give the team a clean sheet, but not McCarthy. After the worst five months imaginable, both on and off the field, how could I? i hope for better team selections and formations, and realistic after match interviews. Perhaps I'm being delusional now! Worst five months possible? Are you forgetting the end of Chester City Football Club? Not at all. Those last five months were about facing the inevitable, and the power of the fans. A club is nothing without the fans and Vaughan forgot that. The end was great! It heralded this new beginning.
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