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Post by agl on Nov 3, 2024 8:55:33 GMT
The interview shouldn't be allowed to overshadow the performance. Personally, I don't give a shit what he says if we win 3-0 every week, and if feeding off criticism motivates Cal and the players then great. It was the reaction we were all looking for, so well done, but has to be the norm not an occasional treat. Absolutely, criticism should be confined to tactics/ performances etc and not cross the red line into personal abuse but there also has to be a recognition that the Scarborough, Buxton and Curzon performances were unacceptable. It was a bad month.
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Post by daz on Nov 3, 2024 8:56:44 GMT
Looks like we should stick with this new line up. Great result to beat hereford 3 0. Credit to Callum for belatedly shaking things up as it clearly worked.
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Post by Si on Nov 3, 2024 8:58:12 GMT
What I liked most about today was the midfield three of Bainbridge, Hancox & Hugill were in your face, aggressive and went to ground and left their mark when they needed to, it unsettled Hereford. I’m sure one of Glendon or Weeks has previously mentioned that they pride themselves on never going to ground, but perhaps that leads things to maybe being a bit too nicey nicey at times. On the acknowledgement of the fans, I did notice Jim’s like of Harry’s post earlier, but it did feel like they were trying to make a bit of a point, before and after the game. ‘You had your say last week, we’ll have our say this week’ was the impression I got. Fine, we’re square now, let’s move on. There’s a very clear middle ground between fist pumping and snubbing. Cal still does look like a young and inexperienced manager in his interviews, it’s something he hasn’t really perfected yet. I think he sometimes invites situations on to himself a bit. No shame, it’ll come with time and more experience, he’ll get to know what lands and what doesn’t.
Hereford were very disappointing on the day and offered next to nothing, could see how on another day they could maybe be decent though. Harrison watched a free kick fly over and kicked one straight at one of them as well, but otherwise anything else fell in to his lap. I hardly think their fans covered themselves in glory today either, which was the first time I've ever known them to turn out in any sort of force. Went well above their station and was a bit cringy watching some of them try too hard.
They had a nice time playing with their balloons. Probably had a game of musical statues on the way home to cheers themselves up. |
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Post by jimianto on Nov 3, 2024 9:31:10 GMT
I think every possible point has already been covered in this surprisingly decent thread.
I would echo what a great all round performance it was - surely our best of the season. Very enjoyable.
I was a bit disappointed that the players didn't acknowledge the superb support at the end in the usual way - The Harry Mac lads were slightly diminished in numbers, but in excellent voice. I'm taking the slight as a solidarity with the boss and other teammates from last week's reaction. Hopefully a one off. Also not sure what to make of Cal's interview - it was a mixture funny, strange and petty. Very pleased for him and that he changed things up. It would be great if we can back it up with at least a point on Tuesday.
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Post by Moltisanti on Nov 3, 2024 9:42:04 GMT
Every silver lining has a cloud on here. Convinced if we won this league they’d still find something to have a go at. How can football make you so unhappy is beyond me. |
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 3, 2024 9:49:14 GMT
I think every possible point has already been covered in this surprisingly decent thread. I would echo what a great all round performance it was - surely our best of the season. Very enjoyable. I was a bit disappointed that the players didn't acknowledge the superb support at the end in the usual way - The Harry Mac lads were slightly diminished in numbers, but in excellent voice. I'm taking the slight as a solidarity with the boss and other teammates from last week's reaction. Hopefully a one off. Also not sure what to make of Cal's interview - it was a mixture funny, strange and petty. Very pleased for him and that he changed things up. It would be great if we can back it up with at least a point on Tuesday. The Harry Mac lads were great yesterday. To be fair the main stand were joining in and adding to it too. Cal's interview on Radio Merseyside with Neil Turner is better, and well worth a listen, maybe he'd calmed down by then. Listen to Jack Bainbridge's excellent interview too. Anders posted them up earlier in the thread. |
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Post by bonecrusher on Nov 3, 2024 10:02:42 GMT
I'd say not acknowledging the support before or at the end is a very dangerous route to go down. I appreciate that players and staff were stung by the criticism from last week and that in some areas it was way too personal and offensive. However they need to remember that within that there was a great deal of support as well, not mention the fans who contribute financially to the club. Spitting your dummy out towards the entire fanbase is unhelpful and hardly backs the #allofus approach.
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Post by btb on Nov 3, 2024 10:11:39 GMT
I'd say not acknowledging the support before or at the end is a very dangerous route to go down. I appreciate that players and staff were stung by the criticism from last week and that in some areas it was way too personal and offensive. However they need to remember that within that there was a great deal of support as well, not mention the fans who contribute financially to the club. Spitting your dummy out towards the entire fanbase is unhelpful and hardly backs the #allofus approach. This ^^ There is no us and them. There’s just us. I don’t agree with the personal abuse and there’s clearly a vicious element of our support who go way to far and way to personal but from where I stand, certainly at the home games, it’s a minority. Not acknowledging supporters from a fan owned club is a very dangerous stance to take and adds more fuel to the fire of the narrative that a supporter run club will never work. Yesterday at 5 p.m we should have all been moving forward together but the manager has chosen that time to point score for want of a better word. I know I’m not the person or persons he’s aiming it at but it just feels so unnecessary. |
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Post by bitbbh on Nov 3, 2024 10:34:38 GMT
Firstly yesterday was the best performance of the season, so far. The manager, coaches and players deserve huge credit for turning the previous weekends shit show into this weekends tour de force wether or not this is a watershed moment in the season we will have to wait and see.
I've backed Cal from the start but like any young and inexperienced manager he will have to learn from his mistakes there is no doubt it was a big call to leave the captain and vice captain out of the match day squad, how George and Declan react to this will he interesting.
Hopefully what we saw yesterday is football evolution.
I can't comment on yesterday's game without commenting on the catalyst which was the Curzon game. No doubt everyone at the club was hurt badly by the reaction to the hammering they gave us, yes it was toxic and some comments were shameful, I myself left at half time when three nil down, I've not left a game that early ever. The last time I can remember leaving a game noticeably early was when Brighton beat us 7-0 years and years ago.
The toxicity at Curzon was palpable even at half time and for me I needed to reflect on what I had watched rather than vent those frustrations towards the pitch.
After a week of reflection yesterday was about reaction.
We all wanted a reaction and we got it in spades.
From the bravery of the team selection to the intensity from kick off everything signalled a dressing room intent on putting the wrongs of the previous Saturday behind them. To a man they delivered and they have been rightfully been applauded for the performance.
I get why the players and manager didn't applaud the crowd prior to the match, for me what they did in the following 90 minutes would speak for them.
After the match however they should have taken the plaudits of the fans who had been wholly supportive of their performance from minute one.
The post match interview with Cal came across to me as a man who was looking to vent after the negativity he and the players had received. If I could give Cal one piece of advice this is not a good look and you don't want to create a bridge between club and fans, the beans on toast,spagetti retort was cringeworthy. Yes I get he wears his heart on his sleeve and he wants to protect the players but he must not forget we feel the pain as well when the results don't go our way, hopefully his after match interview technique is less personal going forward and we all can move forward TOGETHER rather than a feeling of us and them that came across in the interview.
Football has a way of uniting us and equally it can divide us let's hope it's more of the former going forward and the full focus is about Darlo on Tuesday and making this season we remember for all the right reasons.
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Post by sealandender1 on Nov 3, 2024 10:57:02 GMT
🤓 Spot on with your comments Bear; also Callum at times doesn’t appear to realise that you, me and hundreds of others have helped fund in excess of £1,000,000 for Callum to put his teams together during his tenure!!!
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Post by superhans on Nov 3, 2024 10:58:52 GMT
Wasn't there yesterday but sounded a much better performance and a huge win. Pleased for Cal as I worried it would've been a repeat of last week if we'd have performed like that again. Curzon is done now, sometimes you learn more from a defeat than a victory as they say. I was there and maybe it was too OTT, but it wasn't just based on one game it felt like half a year's worth of frustration pouring out.
Like it or not it seemed to get the message through to Cal that something needed to change, and the changes he went for clearly paid off yesterday. Hopefully that's the end of it now and we can build on yesterday's performance rather than revert to type in the next few games. Interesting to see what happens with Weeks and Glendon, for me we don't need to keep both.
On Cal's interviews... as others have said, I tend to not watch them anymore as he rarely talks about the game, tactics, injuries etc. Win or lose he seems more bothered talking about himself or abstract things, maybe that's to take pressure off the players but I don't know why he can't just talk about the game itself and the next one.
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Post by vandycandy on Nov 3, 2024 11:07:33 GMT
Have to say, I find Cals interview embarrassing and cringe worthy throughout. Yes the abuse aimed at players / manager shouldn't be the way it is, but he comes across very unlikeable and bitter in that interview. Almost as if he deliberately goes out of his way to try & have a dig at the fans, win, lose or draw. He is a very sensitive chap which is acceptable however he should stop adding fuel to the fire & accept the criticism, it's part of being a football manager. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 3, 2024 12:03:28 GMT
I'd say not acknowledging the support before or at the end is a very dangerous route to go down. I appreciate that players and staff were stung by the criticism from last week and that in some areas it was way too personal and offensive. However they need to remember that within that there was a great deal of support as well, not mention the fans who contribute financially to the club. Spitting your dummy out towards the entire fanbase is unhelpful and hardly backs the #allofus approach. Notice the #AllOfUs hashtag is missing from club socials today - hopefully for good as it was cringe AF but does come across as a petty reaction alongside yesterdays which should’ve been rousing celebration but ended up a moody teenager storming off. Oh well, onto a big week ahead - two games we need to be winning. |
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Post by Anders on Nov 3, 2024 12:18:24 GMT
I'd say not acknowledging the support before or at the end is a very dangerous route to go down. I appreciate that players and staff were stung by the criticism from last week and that in some areas it was way too personal and offensive. However they need to remember that within that there was a great deal of support as well, not mention the fans who contribute financially to the club. Spitting your dummy out towards the entire fanbase is unhelpful and hardly backs the #allofus approach. Notice the #AllOfUs hashtag is missing from club socials today - hopefully for good as it was cringe AF but does come across as a petty reaction alongside yesterdays which should’ve been rousing celebration but ended up a moody teenager storming off. Oh well, onto a big week ahead - two games we need to be winning. It only needs to become a thing if it goes beyond this weekend.
One thing I would stress is that there's little kids in the ground who love them to bits. The only reason I'm a Chester fan today is because once upon a time my childhood superheroes Andy Milner & Luke Beckett waved to me a few times and gave me the occasional high five. I mentioned it earlier, but there's a very clear middle ground.
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Post by agl on Nov 3, 2024 12:36:28 GMT
Notice the #AllOfUs hashtag is missing from club socials today - hopefully for good as it was cringe AF but does come across as a petty reaction alongside yesterdays which should’ve been rousing celebration but ended up a moody teenager storming off. Oh well, onto a big week ahead - two games we need to be winning. It only needs to become a thing if it goes beyond this weekend.
One thing I would stress is that there's little kids in the ground who love them to bits. The only reason I'm a Chester fan today is because once upon a time my childhood superheroes Andy Milner & Luke Beckett waved to me a few times and gave me the occasional high five. I mentioned it earlier, but there's a very clear middle ground.
Agree. Probably need to draw a line under it. Going round in circles now. We can't be having polls every time we lose a game. It's going to happen. We need to deal with it better. Think the mods could help by clamping down on the provocative personal stuff that crops up on here from time to time. |
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Post by Suomen Sininen on Nov 3, 2024 12:45:47 GMT
I'd say not acknowledging the support before or at the end is a very dangerous route to go down. I appreciate that players and staff were stung by the criticism from last week and that in some areas it was way too personal and offensive. However they need to remember that within that there was a great deal of support as well, not mention the fans who contribute financially to the club. Spitting your dummy out towards the entire fanbase is unhelpful and hardly backs the #allofus approach. This ^^ There is no us and them. There’s just us. I don’t agree with the personal abuse and there’s clearly a vicious element of our support who go way to far and way to personal but from where I stand, certainly at the home games, it’s a minority. Not acknowledging supporters from a fan owned club is a very dangerous stance to take and adds more fuel to the fire of the narrative that a supporter run club will never work. Yesterday at 5 p.m we should have all been moving forward together but the manager has chosen that time to point score for want of a better word. I know I’m not the person or persons he’s aiming it at but it just feels so unnecessary. Well said, I was also feeling strangely mixed after that interview. I knew I wasn’t meant in his criticism and words, but weirdly, it still offended me and annoyed me. As a supporter of the club for well over 45 years, I’ve seen players come and go, managers come and go, it’s a given in football. Likewise, when the team plays crap, they get booed off, just as much as they are idolised when they play well. The personal abuse is unacceptable, and the fact he knows who some texts are from is unbelievable. Call these idiots out and let them explain themselves why they are such dicks. But when I watch an interview by our manager and feel insulted and secondly, whether our manager has lost the plot and is having a breakdown, I do wonder why I spend £000,s a year supporting the club. I was going to do a match sponsor through my own business as I saw a spare one come available - even though I’m not over until Xmas - but that interview totally threw me. I would never consider myself a ‘snowflake’, but seeing so many others feel the same makes me wonder whether my money would be better spent elsewhere (or even pay for Cal for some media training). I just hope he is ‘ok’, and normal service is resumed asap. And if you are one of the idiots who sent him personal abuse, hang your head in shame. |
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Post by deesideblue1 on Nov 3, 2024 12:48:48 GMT
🤓 Spot on with your comments Bear; also Callum at times doesn’t appear to realise that you, me and hundreds of others have helped fund in excess of £1,000,000 for Callum to put his teams together during his tenure!!! Did you mean to add that many zero’s? Maths not your strong point? |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 3, 2024 12:51:31 GMT
It only needs to become a thing if it goes beyond this weekend.
One thing I would stress is that there's little kids in the ground who love them to bits. The only reason I'm a Chester fan today is because once upon a time my childhood superheroes Andy Milner & Luke Beckett waved to me a few times and gave me the occasional high five. I mentioned it earlier, but there's a very clear middle ground.
Agree. Probably need to draw a line under it. Going round in circles now. We can't be having polls every time we lose a game. It's going to happen. We need to deal with it better. Think the mods could help by clamping down on the provocative personal stuff that crops up on here from time to time. By the same token we can’t be North Korea’d for having a moan about poor performances and results. Club are close to making this an “us and them” thing with the petulance but as Anders says, it doesn’t have to be. Let’s all draw a line under it and move onto the week of two winnable games. |
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Post by agl on Nov 3, 2024 12:57:11 GMT
Agree. Probably need to draw a line under it. Going round in circles now. We can't be having polls every time we lose a game. It's going to happen. We need to deal with it better. Think the mods could help by clamping down on the provocative personal stuff that crops up on here from time to time. By the same token we can’t be North Korea’d for having a moan about poor performances and results. Club are close to making this an “us and them” thing with the petulance but as Anders says, it doesn’t have to be. Let’s all draw a line under it and move onto the week of two winnable games. Nowhere did I say we can't moan about performances. God forbid. Just saying the interview thing has run its course. I think we're sort of agreeing. |
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Post by cestrianvc on Nov 3, 2024 13:00:03 GMT
Respect to Weeks who was there at the end clapping the team off and shaking all their hands. No sign of Glendon from where I was sitting??
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Post by weareblues on Nov 3, 2024 13:00:55 GMT
This ^^ There is no us and them. There’s just us. I don’t agree with the personal abuse and there’s clearly a vicious element of our support who go way to far and way to personal but from where I stand, certainly at the home games, it’s a minority. Not acknowledging supporters from a fan owned club is a very dangerous stance to take and adds more fuel to the fire of the narrative that a supporter run club will never work. Yesterday at 5 p.m we should have all been moving forward together but the manager has chosen that time to point score for want of a better word. I know I’m not the person or persons he’s aiming it at but it just feels so unnecessary. Well said, I was also feeling strangely mixed after that interview. I knew I wasn’t meant in his criticism and words, but weirdly, it still offended me and annoyed me. As a supporter of the club for well over 45 years, I’ve seen players come and go, managers come and go, it’s a given in football. Likewise, when the team plays crap, they get booed off, just as much as they are idolised when they play well. The personal abuse is unacceptable, and the fact he knows who some texts are from is unbelievable. Call these idiots out and let them explain themselves why they are such dicks. But when I watch an interview by our manager and feel insulted and secondly, whether our manager has lost the plot and is having a breakdown, I do wonder why I spend £000,s a year supporting the club. I was going to do a match sponsor through my own business as I saw a spare one come available - even though I’m not over until Xmas - but that interview totally threw me. I would never consider myself a ‘snowflake’, but seeing so many others feel the same makes me wonder whether my money would be better spent elsewhere (or even pay for Cal for some media training). I just hope he is ‘ok’, and normal service is resumed asap. And if you are one of the idiots who sent him personal abuse, hang your head in shame. He needs to stop reading DC & Social media as it clearly gets to him |
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Post by deesideblue1 on Nov 3, 2024 13:03:34 GMT
Respect to Weeks who was there at the end clapping the team off and shaking all their hands. No sign of Glendon from where I was sitting?? You’ll find Glendon at Radcliffe on loan within the next week or 2. Hounded out over 2 years. As I said, he’s been prone to criticism this year as captain, but last season he was very good, but he’s probably fed up been abused by a dozen or so on here and a few hundred in the ground. |
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Post by Moltisanti on Nov 3, 2024 13:12:34 GMT
Respect to Weeks who was there at the end clapping the team off and shaking all their hands. No sign of Glendon from where I was sitting?? You’ll find Glendon at Radcliffe on loan within the next week or 2. Hounded out over 2 years. As I said, he’s been prone to criticism this year as captain, but last season he was very good, but he’s probably fed up been abused by a dozen or so on here and a few hundred in the ground. This The fact he’s still getting shit when he wasn’t in squad and we’ve just won speaks volumes. Obsessed |
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Post by Jack on Nov 3, 2024 14:11:46 GMT
Respect to Weeks who was there at the end clapping the team off and shaking all their hands. No sign of Glendon from where I was sitting?? It’s exactly this sort of thing that is the issue. Weird. |
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Post by blue4life on Nov 3, 2024 14:16:18 GMT
Respect to Weeks who was there at the end clapping the team off and shaking all their hands. No sign of Glendon from where I was sitting?? You’ll find Glendon at Radcliffe on loan within the next week or 2. Hounded out over 2 years. As I said, he’s been prone to criticism this year as captain, but last season he was very good, but he’s probably fed up been abused by a dozen or so on here and a few hundred in the ground. Hopefully a permanent move to Radcliffe where he wanted to sign in the summer. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 3, 2024 14:17:07 GMT
You’ll find Glendon at Radcliffe on loan within the next week or 2. Hounded out over 2 years. As I said, he’s been prone to criticism this year as captain, but last season he was very good, but he’s probably fed up been abused by a dozen or so on here and a few hundred in the ground. This The fact he’s still getting shit when he wasn’t in squad and we’ve just won speaks volumes. Obsessed Could argue that's exactly why he's getting shit. It seems to me that we're a better side without him. But yeah, no need to hound the guy. If he is on his way I wish him all the best. |
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Post by agl on Nov 3, 2024 14:19:39 GMT
Just watched the highlights. Looked like we were a bit more direct. Three absolute quality crosses, and lovely passing for the second in the build up. I think that's what we all want to see...without aimlessly lumping it, or hurling long throws, it looks a lot more threatening. I suppose the big question is whether we can reproduce it against the likes of Leamington.
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Post by Moltisanti on Nov 3, 2024 14:30:59 GMT
You’ll find Glendon at Radcliffe on loan within the next week or 2. Hounded out over 2 years. As I said, he’s been prone to criticism this year as captain, but last season he was very good, but he’s probably fed up been abused by a dozen or so on here and a few hundred in the ground. Hopefully a permanent move to Radcliffe where he wanted to sign in the summer. He turned them down 🤡 |
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Post by blue4life on Nov 3, 2024 14:36:10 GMT
Hopefully a permanent move to Radcliffe where he wanted to sign in the summer. He turned them down 🤡 Only because they wouldn't match what Chester were offering. |
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Post by kyle on Nov 3, 2024 14:41:00 GMT
You are always going to get people complaining, it's the nature of football. I've seen people saying Pep's time is up after yesterday
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