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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 13, 2024 9:23:11 GMT
Ok benefit of the doubt - why don’t you think she is a good TV broadcaster? People forget how poor Lineker was when he first started out. He grew into it and became excellent. Why can’t the same be afforded to Scott? “Benefit of the doubt” 😂 very generous of you that, sure the people you put on trial are very grateful for your benevolence. Typical authoritarian. Calm down buddy, all is well and explained. Whose the authoritarian here? |
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Post by Imperial on Nov 13, 2024 10:12:30 GMT
“Benefit of the doubt” 😂 very generous of you that, sure the people you put on trial are very grateful for your benevolence. Typical authoritarian. Calm down buddy, all is well and explained. Whose the authoritarian here? You. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 13, 2024 10:15:25 GMT
Nah think you're reading too much into my post buddy, was only asking him for his reasoning which he duly obliged with. Can't just make statements without backing it up - leaves it all open to interpretation.
It's all chill.
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Post by weareblues on Nov 13, 2024 10:21:25 GMT
Nah think you're reading too much into my post buddy, was only asking him for his reasoning which he duly obliged with. Can't just make statements without backing it up - leaves it all open to interpretation. It's all chill. And you can’t just go accusing people of being racist or homophobic for no reason either you div says a lot about how you think it thats first thing you think off… Such a victim it’s unbelievable |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 13, 2024 10:26:25 GMT
I've said, it was a tongue-in-cheek reply because he didn't give a reasoning - left it open to interpretation.
Its all chill now. Looking forward to seeing who replaces Lineker, be very tough shoes to fill as hes been a mainstay for so long (started in 1999) but seems Alex Scott will be ready by next season to step into the role. Yes, she is currently learning but we all have to start somewhere as Lineker did.
Scott does tick all the right boxes as they say - she's gaining experience as a television presenter, has a degree in sports broadcasting, is a former professional footballer at the highest level (scored the winning goal in the what is now the Champions League final) and is knowledgeable about football.
Not sure who else would do it, JJ Chalmers maybe?
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Post by Lobster on Nov 13, 2024 16:32:51 GMT
Regarding the "hasn't played the game" argument, I don't think it's necessary for the main presenter to have played it. Des Lynam is one of the fondly remembered anchors (admittedly in a different era) and he never played. The main presenter is there to ask the pundits questions and keep the whole thing ticking over.
The pundits you would say should've played the game, although some of them don't actually seem that knowledgeable about it to me and maybe that's why they're in media and not management or coaching. It's probably more about how comfortable they are in front of a camera than what they know. How long did Andy Townsend get away with saying things like "they won't want to concede here" at a corner? Chris Sutton as well, ridiculous hyperbole all the time, team that's currently top might as well be handed the title now, team then loses a couple and they need to change their manager before they get relegated. He's meant to be the BBC's predictions expert but he's always getting beaten by third-rate rappers and indie frontman who predict their own team to win 10-0 and guess the rest.
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Post by tonya on Nov 13, 2024 16:50:00 GMT
Mentioning Des Lynham i photographed mim years back for a cover for a CD the BBC were promoting. After shots were in the bag he was happy to talk football and in particular was interested in the David
Flitcroft connection as his brother was high profile at Blackburn. Des signed a nice big bw print for me and inscribed Up Chester City and Premiership in a few years. Nice sentiments expressed even if tongue in cheek.
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Post by agl on Nov 13, 2024 17:28:00 GMT
Regarding the "hasn't played the game" argument, I don't think it's necessary for the main presenter to have played it. Des Lynam is one of the fondly remembered anchors (admittedly in a different era) and he never played. The main presenter is there to ask the pundits questions and keep the whole thing ticking over. The pundits you would say should've played the game, although some of them don't actually seem that knowledgeable about it to me and maybe that's why they're in media and not management or coaching. It's probably more about how comfortable they are in front of a camera than what they know. How long did Andy Townsend get away with saying things like "they won't want to concede here" at a corner? Chris Sutton as well, ridiculous hyperbole all the time, team that's currently top might as well be handed the title now, team then loses a couple and they need to change their manager before they get relegated. He's meant to be the BBC's predictions expert but he's always getting beaten by third-rate rappers and indie frontman who predict their own team to win 10-0 and guess the rest. The trend, sadly imo, is for ex players, rather than proven broadcasters. Lynam was the consumate professional. Lineker was so wooden when he started (he got kicked off live golf coverage because he couldn't anchor) but has grown into the role. He was fortunate when starting out that finding a reasonably articulate ex pro was almost impossible. As an aside on Des, my now wife used to flat share with his son and used to virtually climb over the furniture when he phoned to get there first just so she could speak to the great man. Lovely guy. Had time for everyone. Gabby Logan, Mark Chapman or Robbie Savage would all be good choices for MOTD host. |
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Post by picasso on Nov 13, 2024 18:46:20 GMT
Can't say I'm gunna miss crisp man rocking back and forth on his chair with his orange face bobbing up and down every time he opens his trap about a VAR decision, but then again, I ain't watched Motd for a few years now. . That Eluko would make a good anchor though, surely in the running.
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Post by borussiachester on Nov 13, 2024 19:22:31 GMT
Got a lot of time for Lineker, as both a presenter and a person, but I’ve been quite put off by the increasingly light-hearted tone that the programme’s taken over the last couple of years - seems nowadays to primarily revolve around him having a laugh with Alan, Micah and co., like a few lads in the pub.
Feel like this appointment could be make or break - whoever it is needs to be charismatic, knowledgeable and authoritative enough to hold together what is an otherwise pretty unremarkable show in terms of standard of punditry, but without allowing it to descend into Soccer AM territory. Mark Chapman and Colin Murray seem the two obvious candidates to me; if we’re talking female presenters, I’d have Gabby Logan or Eilidh Barbour over Alex Scott (and no, I’m not racist or homophobic, I’m just not a big fan of her style of presenting). I’ll also throw Jonathan Sutherland, one of the BBC’s main Scottish football anchors, out there as a more leftfield shout - I watch Sportscene (basically the Scottish MOTD) quite often, which he does an excellent job at fronting.
I’d also dispute the notion that experience of playing the game is necessary for the role of a presenter. Making such a demand would narrow the field considerably, as the vast majority come from a journalistic background rather than a sporting one; and the highest-profile former player to have had a crack at presenting in recent times, Jenas, proved to be pretty damn unpopular. If I’m being even more controversial, I’m not even convinced that it’s an essential requirement for being a pundit - give me James Horncastle or Raphael Honigstein over bletherers like Rio Ferdinand or our friend Mr Savage every day of the week.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 13, 2024 19:26:32 GMT
Your last point is a good one, the likes of Horncastle, Honingstein, Julien Laurens, Rory Smith and Nicky Bandini have all been great insightful pundits on the many European football highlight shows I’ve watched across both TNT and BBC. All of them are journalists. Don’t necessarily have to have played the game to provide top quality summaries and analysis.
Put it this way. They’re all much more worth listening to than Michael Owen, Danny Murphy, Micah Richards and Troy Deeney.
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Post by oldsealandroadender on Nov 14, 2024 3:38:11 GMT
As regards Alex Scott, I've nothing against her as a person or her progression as a presenter, I just don't like her style. Pronouncing words like strong as 'shtrong' annoys the he'll out of me. And as for some of the things she says. "The verdict's stil out" on her assessment of a certain player. If you're going to use a cliche then at least get it right. (There have been others.)
Mark Chapman is the obvious choice, excellent presenter, intelligent and informed. Can't blame him for not wanting to job share with Kelly Sommers. Nothing against her personally just not the right person for the flagship footie show on the BBC. Just a woke box ticking exercise by the Corporation.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Nov 14, 2024 10:47:43 GMT
Would be some red faces exploding around social media if they gave it Alex Scott. It would appear to be Mark Chapmans gig though, which would be the right decision. Hes warm, informed and has a great style of presenting.
As above, would prefer to have a journalist co-host rather than some perma-tanned just-back-from-Portugal member of the ex-pros club waffling on about how it used to be.
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Post by Micky Wilde on Nov 14, 2024 12:16:56 GMT
Would be some red faces exploding around social media if they gave it Alex Scott. It would appear to be Mark Chapmans gig though, which would be the right decision. Hes warm, informed and has a great style of presenting. As above, would prefer to have a journalist co-host rather than some perma-tanned just-back-from-Portugal member of the ex-pros club waffling on about how it used to be. Sounds like 90% of the football podcasts out there currently. |
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Nov 14, 2024 12:27:07 GMT
Would be some red faces exploding around social media if they gave it Alex Scott. It would appear to be Mark Chapmans gig though, which would be the right decision. Hes warm, informed and has a great style of presenting. As above, would prefer to have a journalist co-host rather than some perma-tanned just-back-from-Portugal member of the ex-pros club waffling on about how it used to be. Sounds like 90% of the football podcasts out there currently. I don't listen to them, I have a life. Saying that, I don't watch Match Of The Day either, way past my bedtime that. |
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Post by borussiachester on Nov 14, 2024 12:59:32 GMT
Would be some red faces exploding around social media if they gave it Alex Scott. It would appear to be Mark Chapmans gig though, which would be the right decision. Hes warm, informed and has a great style of presenting. As above, would prefer to have a journalist co-host rather than some perma-tanned just-back-from-Portugal member of the ex-pros club waffling on about how it used to be. Sounds like 90% of the football podcasts out there currently. Think I mentioned it in a previous thread a while back, but I’ve never really understood the appeal of those podcasts. Every one of them seems to follow the same format, with some arrogant journeyman player sharing the usual cut-and-paste, aggressively masculine stories about shagging birds in Ibiza and going on the ale with the #lads. On the rare occasion that I’ve listened to one, I’ve invariably ended up with a worse impression of the player than before. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 14, 2024 13:02:22 GMT
Worst ones I’ve seen snippets of are the ex-referees like Kevin Lynch in the 90’s openly bragging about being corrupt. And the John Gregory clip where he took great delight in abusing a young teenage Jack Grealish.
Awful those.
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Post by properblue87 on Nov 14, 2024 14:58:23 GMT
How about Micheal Owen good for the club and good for the city of Chester
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Post by nytram on Nov 14, 2024 15:05:21 GMT
Can't really remember the original format of MotD. I know this won't happen but I would like to see less pundits, less analysis, more matches with more time instead of highlights and all games with a professional commentary instead of a lower paid person saying in a two minute clip 'so and so scored to deny so and so team winning'.
At the end of all the games shown, then a presenter can give anyone in the studio as pundits to give opinions on anything that happened in games. Suppose they will have to change name of programme to Matches of the Day!
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Post by Moltisanti on Nov 14, 2024 15:32:57 GMT
How about Micheal Owen good for the club and good for the city of Chester Good banter ha ha |
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Post by proudblue on Nov 14, 2024 16:03:27 GMT
Can't really remember the original format of MotD. I know this won't happen but I would like to see less pundits, less analysis, more matches with more time instead of highlights and all games with a professional commentary instead of a lower paid person saying in a two minute clip 'so and so scored to deny so and so team winning'. At the end of all the games shown, then a presenter can give anyone in the studio as pundits to give opinions on anything that happened in games. Suppose they will have to change name of programme to Matches of the Day! Every game on the Premier League MOTD does have a “professional commentary” and highlights of some description rather than a voiceover report - and that’s been the case for a couple of decades now. |
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Post by catfordbags on Nov 14, 2024 16:33:32 GMT
Only ever watch MoTD on a Sunday morning when i can fast forward through the studio bits....
.... always liked Adrian Chiles when he did MoTD2 - always thought he cut through the nonsense more than most...
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Post by Si on Nov 15, 2024 18:11:12 GMT
I do think there needs to be less studio time on MOTD. Nothing against the pundits, but at that time of the night on a Saturday I'd be happy to just see the action and the post match interviews and then on to the next. Doesnt need over elaborate punditry, leave that to the shows the warrant it like MNF.
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Post by southernseal on Nov 16, 2024 6:59:33 GMT
Record it Saturday night, watch it Sunday morning but you can fast forward through the post match cliche ridden interviews and Danny Murphy and Lineker’s takes to the next set of highlights.
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Post by RonD on Nov 16, 2024 9:25:23 GMT
Chappers for me, and it would be great to see Colin Murray get the MoTD2 gig!
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