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Post by sirfred on Jul 9, 2017 14:38:06 GMT
As you know in the past I was one of his main critics but over these summer months things have changed. I am fully prepared to give the guy a chance. It does seem our ability to stregnthen last season was severely hampered by monitory issues and the signings he has made look really positive replacing raw youth with experienced old heads blending with youth. The players respect him apart from the troublemakers who have been shown the door. If I could say the main criticism I had of Mccarthy was his reluctance to admit his players let us down in a game and I'm sure he has learned from last season. So let's give him a good crack and to be honest I'm really looking forward to the season.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jul 9, 2017 14:51:16 GMT
Where have you been the last few weeks SirFred? Glad to see you are looking forward to the new season 😀.
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Post by billyw on Jul 9, 2017 15:05:47 GMT
As you know in the past I was one of his main critics but over these summer months things have changed. I am fully prepared to give the guy a chance. It does seem our ability to stregnthen last season was severely hampered by monitory issues and the signings he has made look really positive replacing raw youth with experienced old heads blending with youth. The players respect him apart from the troublemakers who have been shown the door. If I could say the main criticism I had of Mccarthy was his reluctance to admit his players let us down in a game and I'm sure he has learned from last season. So let's give him a good crack and to be honest I'm really looking forward to the season. You can't judge a manager in the close season. I have reservations about McCarthy's ability as a manager which can only be shown to be justified or not when the season starts. The signings look good and McCarthy has nowhere to hide if there is a repeat of the second half of last season. |
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Post by rcb on Jul 9, 2017 16:08:36 GMT
I'm looking forward to the coming season, full of optimism as a result of the squad changes and healthy income via departures. All this despite, not because of McCarthy. He has a lot to prove, since most won't forget all of 2017.
Take last season, with a good first half to the season, which many attribute to Sharps, and a dire second half which most attribute to McCarthy. If we do well until Christmas will we be praising McCarthy or Tom Shaw? If we start badly I'm sure most will be calling for the manager to go.
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Post by tarvinblue on Jul 9, 2017 16:18:05 GMT
Let's see what the first couple of months of the season bring. The off season has certainly been positive and has installed some much needed optimism into affairs after the massive low of the second half of last season. However, nothing is won or proven during the summer months. We have hope, which it didn't seem we would have at the end of last season. It is Jon McCarthy's job now to prove to the fans that, with the resources he now has, he can prove himself as a football manager. If he can't prove that and we are struggling come October time, then the club must act quickly. History shows that clubs such as York, Halifax etc, who have got off to a terrible start, even with a great second half of the season, are still left with too much to do. It is over to Jon and Mark to prove themselves now when it really counts - during the season.
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Post by southernblue on Jul 9, 2017 22:03:54 GMT
Seems he lost the dressing room but fresh start with new and some not so new faces. He has proved he can manage a team when the players are on board, let's hope it can stay that way for the season. I suspect we will get off to a slow start and then kick on in September.
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Post by rcb on Jul 9, 2017 22:17:34 GMT
Seems he lost the dressing room but fresh start with new and some not so new faces. He has proved he can manage a team when the players are on board, let's hope it can stay that way for the season. I suspect we will get off to a slow start and then kick on in September. Could not disagree more, sorry. Not a fresh start for McCarthy for me. I endured five months of total rubbish on the field, and in his press conferences, and he is very much on trial from day one. I cannot believe you feel he has proved he can manage a team. If we get off to a slow start he shouldn't reach September!!! |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 9, 2017 23:10:53 GMT
The thing is I wonder how much of a second chance people are really going to give him? If we start slowly I think a lot of us are going to get impatient very quickly. For example, we started last season with three defeats out of four, but most of us were patient and understanding about it. A start like that again this season and I don't think it will be accepted.
It's probably more like a one-and-a-halfth chance, if that makes sense. It's been a very encouraging close season and he deserves credit for that, but expectation levels have now become surprisingly high and a good start is vital. If we start with a defeat at Solihull or even an unconvincing draw, the memories of last season will come flooding back. I actually think McCarthy has a tough job on his hands, and I really hope he can manage it but, to be honest, the realist/cynic in me thinks he probably won't. Not trying to be a wrist-slasher, it's just an honest verdict and I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by sqzl on Jul 10, 2017 7:57:37 GMT
The thing is I wonder how much of a second chance people are really going to give him? If we start slowly I think a lot of us are going to get impatient very quickly. For example, we started last season with three defeats out of four, but most of us were patient and understanding about it. A start like that again this season and I don't think it will be accepted. It's probably more like a one-and-a-halfth chance, if that makes sense. It's been a very encouraging close season and he deserves credit for that, but expectation levels have now become surprisingly high and a good start is vital. If we start with a defeat at Solihull or even an unconvincing draw, the memories of last season will come flooding back. I actually think McCarthy has a tough job on his hands, and I really hope he can manage it but, to be honest, the realist/cynic in me thinks he probably won't. Not trying to be a wrist-slasher, it's just an honest verdict and I hope I'm wrong. I'd go as far as to say a heavy defeat to Solihull on the opening day and people will e on here saying we have the players but JM is tactically poor and we should have got rid yada yada yada. I think we need to give him 10 games. The second half of the season should not be ignored due to a very optimistic summer, and i think JM will expect that. We should be looking at getting a minimum for 16-17 points from the first 10, given the lads we've signed. Anything less than 10 points from 10 and that would be that for me. |
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Post by loskasleftfoot on Jul 10, 2017 10:30:14 GMT
Winning the first home game will lift the mood considerably,whereas starting off with a couple of 0-2's or worse would be a disaster.
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Post by whopper1 on Jul 10, 2017 10:49:49 GMT
Solihull are hot favourites to go down so 3 points is a must there,fylde at home will be tough, can see a draw there and halifax could also result in a draw.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 10, 2017 11:37:49 GMT
The thing is I wonder how much of a second chance people are really going to give him? If we start slowly I think a lot of us are going to get impatient very quickly. For example, we started last season with three defeats out of four, but most of us were patient and understanding about it. A start like that again this season and I don't think it will be accepted. It's probably more like a one-and-a-halfth chance, if that makes sense. It's been a very encouraging close season and he deserves credit for that, but expectation levels have now become surprisingly high and a good start is vital. If we start with a defeat at Solihull or even an unconvincing draw, the memories of last season will come flooding back. I actually think McCarthy has a tough job on his hands, and I really hope he can manage it but, to be honest, the realist/cynic in me thinks he probably won't. Not trying to be a wrist-slasher, it's just an honest verdict and I hope I'm wrong. Pretty much sums it up for me. McCarthy has a fair way to go before he convinces me he's a decent football manager. I'd expect 10-12 points out of a possible 21 from the first month of the season, looking at the fixtures. Anything less than that, ahead of a killer month of travelling, will result in an already fragile position being weakened further. As you say, I hope we're wrong. |
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Post by billyw on Jul 10, 2017 12:28:26 GMT
Solihull are hot favourites to go down so 3 points is a must there,fylde at home will be tough, can see a draw there and halifax could also result in a draw. We are now third favourites at 11/8 with Betway to go down. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Jul 10, 2017 13:44:06 GMT
Solihull are hot favourites to go down so 3 points is a must there,fylde at home will be tough, can see a draw there and halifax could also result in a draw. We are now third favourites at 11/8 with Betway to go down. That's an interesting figure and a surprise. Perhaps what we anticipate to have been a decent summer isn't the same perception externally. |
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 10, 2017 14:12:32 GMT
We are now third favourites at 11/8 with Betway to go down. That's an interesting figure and a surprise. Perhaps what we anticipate to have been a decent summer isn't the same perception externally. Not true. Other teams' fans are very impressed with our summer signings. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 10, 2017 14:34:04 GMT
We are now third favourites at 11/8 with Betway to go down. That's an interesting figure and a surprise. Perhaps what we anticipate to have been a decent summer isn't the same perception externally. The bookies will have seen two of the best players (one from each end of the pitch), one of whom scored 17 goals, leave a club that barely survived relegation by the skin of its teeth. With that in mind, you can see the thinking behind the shortening of odds. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 14:39:43 GMT
Alan alger has us as one of the certs to go down
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Post by Matt on Jul 10, 2017 14:40:02 GMT
And the shocking dip in form from January
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Post by sqzl on Jul 10, 2017 15:24:18 GMT
Alan alger has us as one of the certs to go down He knows about as much about football as i do about professional figure skating. He doesn't like Chester either. Just to put into context, we're 3rd most popular bet to go UP!! with another bookies. I don't really care what they all think to be honest, if we keep our starting 11 fit, Astles loses a couple of Stone and Hannah scores goals then we're a threat against anyone if we keep it simple tactically. Any of this 5 at the back rubbish and we're making a rod for our own back. |
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Jul 10, 2017 15:32:38 GMT
The thing is I wonder how much of a second chance people are really going to give him? If we start slowly I think a lot of us are going to get impatient very quickly. For example, we started last season with three defeats out of four, but most of us were patient and understanding about it. A start like that again this season and I don't think it will be accepted. It's probably more like a one-and-a-halfth chance, if that makes sense. It's been a very encouraging close season and he deserves credit for that, but expectation levels have now become surprisingly high and a good start is vital. If we start with a defeat at Solihull or even an unconvincing draw, the memories of last season will come flooding back. I actually think McCarthy has a tough job on his hands, and I really hope he can manage it but, to be honest, the realist/cynic in me thinks he probably won't. Not trying to be a wrist-slasher, it's just an honest verdict and I hope I'm wrong. Problem is new players or not, last season was awful, and now he's brought in what he thinks are better players, then people will expect an immediate turn in form, and if it doesn't happen then people will obviously turn on McCarthy. He won't have long to prove himself in my opionion, and that's nothing to do with expectations being high, but more to do with lots of people thinking he should have been sacked in the summer, and if things don't improve pretty quickly then people will soon turn as a result of that, especially if he starts spouting useless nonesense in the interviews again, as well. |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 10, 2017 16:20:29 GMT
Alan alger has us as one of the certs to go down He knows about as much about football as i do about professional figure skating. He doesn't like Chester either.That seems a bit of a paranoid conclusion. He predicted us to struggle last season and wasn't too far wrong in the end. The season before he actually had us down to finish 6th! |
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Post by Matt on Jul 10, 2017 16:23:24 GMT
He knows about as much about football as i do about professional figure skating. He doesn't like Chester either.That seems a bit of a paranoid conclusion. He predicted us to struggle last season and wasn't too far wrong in the end. The season before he actually had us down to finish 6th! What's his problem with Chester? |
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Post by bonecrusher on Jul 10, 2017 20:27:23 GMT
As you know in the past I was one of his main critics but over these summer months things have changed. I am fully prepared to give the guy a chance. It does seem our ability to stregnthen last season was severely hampered by monitory issues and the signings he has made look really positive replacing raw youth with experienced old heads blending with youth. The players respect him apart from the troublemakers who have been shown the door. If I could say the main criticism I had of Mccarthy was his reluctance to admit his players let us down in a game and I'm sure he has learned from last season. So let's give him a good crack and to be honest I'm really looking forward to the season. You can't judge a manager in the close season. I have reservations about McCarthy's ability as a manager which can only be shown to be justified or not when the season starts. The signings look good and McCarthy has nowhere to hide if there is a repeat of the second half of last season. Good post. Last season finished so utterly ineptly that he needed a good summer to restore some optimism. In fairness he seems to jave pulled together a much stronger squad. As you say - he needs a consistent season. Not spectacular I don't think, just consistent. Top half would be good. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 21:10:05 GMT
We are now third favourites at 11/8 with Betway to go down. That's an interesting figure and a surprise. Perhaps what we anticipate to have been a decent summer isn't the same perception externally. I would ignore the bookies as they can only set the odds at this stage of the season based on last seasons results. You do appear stronger than last season but as others say your manager is suspect ! |
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Post by Cestrian1987 on Jul 10, 2017 21:55:34 GMT
Alger is an absolute tit
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