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Post by paulcrossleyshair on Jul 11, 2017 21:41:45 GMT
Scored one and 3 assists for Salford tonight.
Still contracted to Tranmere for another year but a potential loan deal to be done maybe if not a permanent deal.
Would be a great addition IMHO
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 11, 2017 21:59:26 GMT
Yes I like him. Could be part of the Alabi deal to allow him to come here on loan.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 11, 2017 22:02:41 GMT
There's no Alabi deal. He was a free agent.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 11, 2017 22:27:19 GMT
There's no Alabi deal. He was a free agent. Nope sorry but you're incorrect. They'll be a deal as he was offered a contract and under the age of 23. We've already turned down a proposal from Tranmere and we want £10k+ |
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Post by Anders on Jul 11, 2017 22:42:32 GMT
There's no Alabi deal. He was a free agent. Nope sorry but you're incorrect. They'll be a deal as he was offered a contract and under the age of 23. We've already turned down a proposal from Tranmere and we want £10k+ He knows. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 12, 2017 4:33:56 GMT
There's no Alabi deal. He was a free agent. Nope sorry but you're incorrect. They'll be a deal as he was offered a contract and under the age of 23. We've already turned down a proposal from Tranmere and we want £10k+ Yes I know, but they are highly unlikely to offer another player as compensation. A nominal fee at best. |
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Post by rcb on Jul 12, 2017 9:24:42 GMT
There's no Alabi deal. He was a free agent. Nope sorry but you're incorrect. They'll be a deal as he was offered a contract and under the age of 23. We've already turned down a proposal from Tranmere and we want £10k+ Potentially you are both right, depending on what you interpret "deal" to mean. I tend to side with Sychden Blue on the basis that "deal" normally involves some significant form of controlling input and decision making. Not much control option by Chester, certainly not when a tribunal steps in. There is the potential to have some minimal input before it reaches a tribunal, so dmcnally could mean this aspect, although it is wrong to say SB is incorrect. He was certainly a free agent. Either way, I'm sure there is less than £5K between us. Safe to say we can spend £10K now. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jul 12, 2017 9:24:49 GMT
If he's playing well for Salford, they've got the cash to sign him tbf
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 12, 2017 9:26:13 GMT
Nope sorry but you're incorrect. They'll be a deal as he was offered a contract and under the age of 23. We've already turned down a proposal from Tranmere and we want £10k+ Potentially you are both right, depending on what you interpret "deal" to mean. I tend to side with Sychden Blue on the basis that "deal" normally involves some significant form of controlling input and decision making. Not much control option by Chester, certainly not when a tribunal steps in. There is the potential to have some minimal input before it reaches a tribunal, so dmcnally could mean this aspect, although it is wrong to say SB is incorrect. He was certainly a free agent. Either way, I'm sure there is less than £5K between us. Safe to say we can spend £10K now. SB said there is no deal. There is. |
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Post by rcb on Jul 12, 2017 9:39:02 GMT
Potentially you are both right, depending on what you interpret "deal" to mean. I tend to side with Sychden Blue on the basis that "deal" normally involves some significant form of controlling input and decision making. Not much control option by Chester, certainly not when a tribunal steps in. There is the potential to have some minimal input before it reaches a tribunal, so dmcnally could mean this aspect, although it is wrong to say SB is incorrect. He was certainly a free agent. Either way, I'm sure there is less than £5K between us. Safe to say we can spend £10K now. SB said there is no deal. There is. In any negotiated deal the vendor retains the right to pull out of the transaction and retain the goods. As Alabi was a free agent then Chester did not have that option, hence they did not really have what would be commonly accepted as dealing rights. If, as looks likely, it goes to a tribunal Chester have no input or dealing rights whatsoever. Alabi is a Tranmere player and nothing Chester do can change that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 10:25:11 GMT
James Akintunde has the potential to be a better centre forward than Alabi. His style is similar, pressing the last man, quick and direct, but to me his is more mobile and has better spring. Whether he can gain enough minutes for his finishing to be polished remains to be seen, and it is very early days, but I'd be looking at him and Hannah as my starting pair. Akintunde is the player Kane Richards thinks he is.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 12, 2017 10:37:12 GMT
SB said there is no deal. There is. In any negotiated deal the vendor retains the right to pull out of the transaction and retain the goods. As Alabi was a free agent then Chester did not have that option, hence they did not really have what would be commonly accepted as dealing rights. If, as looks likely, it goes to a tribunal Chester have no input or dealing rights whatsoever. Alabi is a Tranmere player and nothing Chester do can change that. I don't know why you are going down such a complex path. Are you trying to prove something? Hughes was a free agent, he just went to Leicester for £130,000 and lots of add ons. That's a deal. James was a free agent and we received just under £10k from Halifax for him. That's a deal. And we will get a deal from the Alabi move. And we will get say as in a tribunal we can give im all supporting evidence to suggest a higher fee. |
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Post by bluefrombirth on Jul 12, 2017 10:43:45 GMT
Pointless argument - there's only one Dawson we'll be signing with any Alabi money, Lucas.
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Post by Al on Jul 12, 2017 10:47:31 GMT
Adam Dawson is a very good winger when he's fit and focussed. But that's getting ever rarer an occurrence.
He scored 1 and assisted 3 yet apparently went off with a knock in the 2nd half.
I'd rather we spent our money signing a backup keeper and another centre back (Theo Vassell)
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Post by rcb on Jul 12, 2017 11:28:31 GMT
In any negotiated deal the vendor retains the right to pull out of the transaction and retain the goods. As Alabi was a free agent then Chester did not have that option, hence they did not really have what would be commonly accepted as dealing rights. If, as looks likely, it goes to a tribunal Chester have no input or dealing rights whatsoever. Alabi is a Tranmere player and nothing Chester do can change that. I don't know why you are going down such a complex path. Are you trying to prove something? Hughes was a free agent, he just went to Leicester for £130,000 and lots of add ons. That's a deal. James was a free agent and we received just under £10k from Halifax for him. That's a deal. And we will get a deal from the Alabi move. And we will get say as in a tribunal we can give im all supporting evidence to suggest a higher fee. Nothing complex here. You are simply wrong. Perhaps it's common for you to misuse the word deal when you really mean fee or payment. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 12, 2017 11:40:48 GMT
In any negotiated deal the vendor retains the right to pull out of the transaction and retain the goods. As Alabi was a free agent then Chester did not have that option, hence they did not really have what would be commonly accepted as dealing rights. If, as looks likely, it goes to a tribunal Chester have no input or dealing rights whatsoever. Alabi is a Tranmere player and nothing Chester do can change that. I don't know why you are going down such a complex path. Are you trying to prove something? Hughes was a free agent, he just went to Leicester for £130,000 and lots of add ons. That's a deal. James was a free agent and we received just under £10k from Halifax for him. That's a deal. And we will get a deal from the Alabi move. And we will get say as in a tribunal we can give im all supporting evidence to suggest a higher fee. The Leicester-Hughes fee was compensation to prevent a tribunal. The James fee was actually through a tribunal months later. All I'm saying is it's very unlikely we will receive a player from Tranmere for Alabi, and in fact any "deal" appears to be off the table as we rejected an offer of compensation so it looks highly likely to go to a tribunal. |
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 12, 2017 11:43:42 GMT
I don't know why you are going down such a complex path. Are you trying to prove something? Hughes was a free agent, he just went to Leicester for £130,000 and lots of add ons. That's a deal. James was a free agent and we received just under £10k from Halifax for him. That's a deal. And we will get a deal from the Alabi move. And we will get say as in a tribunal we can give im all supporting evidence to suggest a higher fee. The Leicester-Hughes fee was compensation to prevent a tribunal. The James fee was actually through a tribunal months later. All I'm saying is it's very unlikely we will receive a player from Tranmere for Alabi, and in fact any "deal" appears to be off the table as we rejected an offer of compensation so it looks highly likely to go to a tribunal. You're missing my point here, a tribunal is still a deal as something is happening... this is the most pointless argument I've ever been in I'm drawing a line here |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 12, 2017 11:46:46 GMT
In what universe is a group of independent people deciding the outcome of a transfer between two clubs considered a "deal" between those two clubs? It quite categorically isn't a deal.
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Post by rcb on Jul 12, 2017 11:47:08 GMT
The Leicester-Hughes fee was compensation to prevent a tribunal. The James fee was actually through a tribunal months later. All I'm saying is it's very unlikely we will receive a player from Tranmere for Alabi, and in fact any "deal" appears to be off the table as we rejected an offer of compensation so it looks highly likely to go to a tribunal. You're missing my point here, a tribunal is still a deal as something is happening... this is the most pointless argument I've ever been in I'm drawing a line here Still misusing the word "deal". Thank goodness you are drawing a line on it. |
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Post by soulseal on Jul 12, 2017 11:58:18 GMT
How about 'undefined statutory compensation in lieu of a deal' ?
meaningless arguments are a mainstay of Devachat. Let's keep this going.....
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Post by billyw on Jul 12, 2017 12:15:53 GMT
The Leicester-Hughes fee was compensation to prevent a tribunal. The James fee was actually through a tribunal months later. All I'm saying is it's very unlikely we will receive a player from Tranmere for Alabi, and in fact any "deal" appears to be off the table as we rejected an offer of compensation so it looks highly likely to go to a tribunal. You're missing my point here, a tribunal is still a deal as something is happening... this is the most pointless argument I've ever been in I'm drawing a line here In my simple mind a deal is when both parties agree on the outcome not when the outcome is imposed on them by a third party. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 12, 2017 12:22:27 GMT
A deal is an agreement brokered between 2 clubs a tribunal is an arbitory body to decide the compensation to be paid by one club to another when a deal cannot be agreed therefore there is no deal between us and them just a compensation claim by CFC thats my thoughts on this subject anyway
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Post by Anders on Jul 12, 2017 12:40:59 GMT
Sigh, well played Mancot...well played.
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Post by Al on Jul 12, 2017 13:26:01 GMT
SB is quite right with what he's said. Not sure how Danny has misinterpreted when a deal isn't a deal.
Tranmere offered us a deal for Alabi, which we refused. Therefore no deal has been agreed between 2 clubs.
as others have stated - we will look to be awarded as much compensation as possible for Alabi, but again this is NOT a deal between the 2 clubs. It's an instruction from a third party tribunal to decide how much compensation is awarded to us following his move.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 12, 2017 13:30:24 GMT
SB is quite right with what he's said. Not sure how Danny has misinterpreted when a deal isn't a deal. Tranmere offered us a deal for Alabi, which we refused. Therefore no deal has been agreed between 2 clubs. as others have stated - we will look to be awarded as much compensation as possible for Alabi, but again this is NOT a deal between the 2 clubs. It's an instruction from a third party tribunal to decide how much compensation is awarded to us following his move. Yes they rejected one, I worded it wrong but there may still be a deal. I thought SB meant no deal as in we are getting nothing for Alabi (like Heneghan). |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jul 12, 2017 14:31:55 GMT
Adam Dawson is a very good winger when he's fit and focussed. But that's getting ever rarer an occurrence. He scored 1 and assisted 3 yet apparently went off with a knock in the 2nd half. I'd rather we spent our money signing a backup keeper and another centre back ( Theo Vassell) Theo Vassell is on trial at Gateshead, so it looks very unlikely that we will sign him I'm afraid. |
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Post by Al on Jul 12, 2017 15:16:47 GMT
Adam Dawson is a very good winger when he's fit and focussed. But that's getting ever rarer an occurrence. He scored 1 and assisted 3 yet apparently went off with a knock in the 2nd half. I'd rather we spent our money signing a backup keeper and another centre back ( Theo Vassell) Theo Vassell is on trial at Gateshead, so it looks very unlikely that we will sign him I'm afraid. It's only a trial RIOT, not like he's signed a permanent DEAL yet is it...
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Post by luckyblue on Jul 12, 2017 15:41:35 GMT
Alabi.....Deal or No Deal ? 😂😂😂😂
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 12, 2017 16:50:00 GMT
DEAL lost 3-0 to Dover in a friendly last night.
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Post by soulseal on Jul 12, 2017 16:56:37 GMT
Haven't we all got a lot of time to kill this summer...
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