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Post by sirfred on Jul 21, 2017 16:54:39 GMT
Just been reading their Web and they have had some really good pre season results against strong opposition and have signed Jermaine Hylton from Swindon who is banging them in - I'm worried that what seemed an easier opener is now looking rather tough - Hylton has to be one of the best strikers in the National League
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 21, 2017 17:58:03 GMT
Pre-season is more about fitness than results. They will struggle.
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 21, 2017 18:24:01 GMT
We thought that last season and they trashed us twice. They've lost Sterling-James, but I think they've brought in some good players like Hylton.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 21, 2017 18:39:41 GMT
We thought that last season and they trashed us twice. They've lost Sterling-James, but I think they've brought in some good players like Hylton. They've also had to cut their budget, which gifted us Harry White, and have predominantly recruited from lower leagues which is a bit of a risk. They will struggle.
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Post by tarvinblue on Jul 21, 2017 19:13:40 GMT
We thought that last season and they trashed us twice. They've lost Sterling-James, but I think they've brought in some good players like Hylton. They've also had to cut their budget, which gifted us Harry White, and have predominantly recruited from lower leagues which is a bit of a risk. They will struggle. I see you are hanging onto the pre-season 'it's all about the fitness' narrative. Are you at all concerned that we seem to be showing the same fundamental issues as we were throughout the second half of last season (against opposition significantly poorer than us so far) and our manager has decided to continue in the same vein in the media - attacking fans for daring to criticise the disgraceful run of form? After the positivity of the off-season, the potential reality is already dawning on many fans.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 21, 2017 20:00:02 GMT
They've also had to cut their budget, which gifted us Harry White, and have predominantly recruited from lower leagues which is a bit of a risk. They will struggle. I see you are hanging onto the pre-season 'it's all about the fitness' narrative. Are you at all concerned that we seem to be showing the same fundamental issues as we were throughout the second half of last season (against opposition significantly poorer than us so far) and our manager has decided to continue in the same vein in the media - attacking fans for daring to criticise the disgraceful run of form? After the positivity of the off-season, the potential reality is already dawning on many fans. Walsall and Port Vale will be tougher tests and the performance of the team will be scrutinised more, by me and many others.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jul 21, 2017 20:18:18 GMT
They've also had to cut their budget, which gifted us Harry White, and have predominantly recruited from lower leagues which is a bit of a risk. They will struggle. I see you are hanging onto the pre-season 'it's all about the fitness' narrative. Are you at all concerned that we seem to be showing the same fundamental issues as we were throughout the second half of last season (against opposition significantly poorer than us so far) and our manager has decided to continue in the same vein in the media - attacking fans for daring to criticise the disgraceful run of form? After the positivity of the off-season, the potential reality is already dawning on many fans. Get a grip fella, we haven't kicked a ball in anger yet.
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Post by Si on Jul 21, 2017 20:53:08 GMT
Has anyone actually seen Hylton kick a football before brandishing him the next Pele?
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jul 21, 2017 20:53:09 GMT
I think they will struggle this season.
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Post by highpeakblue on Jul 21, 2017 21:11:44 GMT
That will be the Jermaine Hylton who scored 1 goal in 39 appearances for Swindon (including subs). Before that he scored quite a few for Redditch United in the Southern Premier. He may be a revelation, but maybe not.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 21, 2017 21:47:14 GMT
I don't like sniping at fellow fans but it so bleeding obvious tarvinblue is just loving this slight chance at some negavity.
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Post by rcb on Jul 21, 2017 22:37:23 GMT
I don't like sniping at fellow fans but it so bleeding obvious tarvinblue is just loving this slight chance at some negavity. Now now Danny boy. No need to join the band of disciples hell bent on defending the Messiah that is Macca? Surely Tarvinblue is entitled to an opinion. In the sureness of time results will be the judge of opinions.
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Post by Anders on Jul 22, 2017 0:36:03 GMT
Has anyone actually seen Hylton kick a football before brandishing him the next Pele? Strikes me as if people assume he’ll score well in this league because it’s the middle league between him scoring an absolute hatful and absolutely nothing. 45 in 54 for Redditch (Two leagues below us) and 1 in 39 for Swindon (Two leagues above us). Is this the mid-point? Not sure it’s that simple, still reckon Solihull are up against it myself.
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Post by tarvinblue on Jul 22, 2017 5:56:47 GMT
I don't like sniping at fellow fans but it so bleeding obvious tarvinblue is just loving this slight chance at some negavity. I was quite positive over the off the season but I tell it how I see it - positive or negative. The second half of last season was an utter disgrace but I was willing to draw a line under it after the signings we made - read some recent posts and you will see that. I even renewed my season ticket! Unfortunately, it is blatantly obvious that JM has learned absolutely nothing from last season from what has been seen already. Better squad - same failings. I admire you banging the drum and generating positivity (you have yet to have been dragged down by the many years of suffering Chester fans have been through) but you also need to see it for what is it sometimes. JM is trying to control the media and the fans with his 'shout down the negative' rambles. What he needs to realise is that if he wins games of football, no one will be negative - including me.
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 22, 2017 7:30:26 GMT
I don't like sniping at fellow fans but it so bleeding obvious tarvinblue is just loving this slight chance at some negavity. I was quite positive over the off the season but I tell it how I see it - positive or negative. The second half of last season was an utter disgrace but I was willing to draw a line under it after the signings we made - read some recent posts and you will see that. I even renewed my season ticket! Unfortunately, it is blatantly obvious that JM has learned absolutely nothing from last season from what has been seen already. Better squad - same failings. I admire you banging the drum and generating positivity (you have yet to have been dragged down by the many years of suffering Chester fans have been through) but you also need to see it for what is it sometimes. JM is trying to control the media and the fans with his 'shout down the negative' rambles. What he needs to realise is that i f he wins games of football, no one will be negative - including me.That's it for me to. I renewed my season ticket on the basis of the signings we made in May/June. I'll be going to all the games in August with the possible exception of Hartlepool. If it's still the same shite as it was December to April then I will say so. A lot of the problems last season were allegedly to do with the antics of the ex-Wrexham bunch, but a lot were self-inflicted like the playing of Sam Hughes at RB. I also hope that Mahon can get back to near his best, but that's not a given. Yes ... it's a fresh start for me too, but the blaming of fans for last season's dreadful slump is not a good start.
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Post by agl on Jul 22, 2017 8:23:11 GMT
I don't like sniping at fellow fans but it so bleeding obvious tarvinblue is just loving this slight chance at some negavity. I was quite positive over the off the season but I tell it how I see it - positive or negative. The second half of last season was an utter disgrace but I was willing to draw a line under it after the signings we made - read some recent posts and you will see that. I even renewed my season ticket! Unfortunately, it is blatantly obvious that JM has learned absolutely nothing from last season from what has been seen already. Better squad - same failings. I admire you banging the drum and generating positivity (you have yet to have been dragged down by the many years of suffering Chester fans have been through) but you also need to see it for what is it sometimes. JM is trying to control the media and the fans with his 'shout down the negative' rambles. What he needs to realise is that if he wins games of football, no one will be negative - including me. Suspect your idea of a fresh start is not getting on the manager and players' backs until the first misplaced pass. You're depressing me already and it's still two weeks to the start of the season. Already banging on about 'same failings'. At least if he wins every game you've said you will be more positive....suppose that's a a start.
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Post by blue4life on Jul 22, 2017 9:24:42 GMT
If we do lose against Solihull think they'll be a lot of fans calling for his head already.
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Post by tarvinblue on Jul 22, 2017 9:33:14 GMT
He should have been sacked last season. For whatever reason he wasn't. Unfortunately, his latest interview shows no sign of humility or taking responsibility. Therefore it won't take long for the wounds of last season to re-open as people who were willing to give him a chance, such as myself, are already questioning him. Both he and the club should be perfectly aware of that, no matter how much they try to control the media and certain fans. Surely Maguire knows that the decent work he's done over the summer could be ruined by this bumbling fool. Time will tell and I dearly hope it's just that the players aren't giving 100% at this stage.
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Post by rcb on Jul 22, 2017 9:57:59 GMT
He should have been sacked last season. For whatever reason he wasn't. Unfortunately, his latest interview shows no sign of humility or taking responsibility. Therefore it won't take long for the wounds of last season to re-open as people who were willing to give him a chance, such as myself, are already questioning him. Both he and the club should be perfectly aware of that, no matter how much they try to control the media and certain fans. Surely Maguire knows that the decent work he's done over the summer could be ruined by this bumbling fool. Time will tell and I dearly hope it's just that the players aren't giving 100% at this stage. I'm sure we share the same opinion of McCarthy, and the fact that financial circumstances alone rendered him unsackable. If it was for football reasons he would be long gone. However, unless financial aspects change dramatically then we are stuck with him. It saddens me to see fans having a go at each other when it is the fault of the board in extending his contract unnecessarily. Clearly the threat of relegation would have serious financial implications. It is up to the board to control the feelgood factor, including shutting up irresponsible interviewees, whilst it is, and always has been, the responsibility of the fans to give 100% in support of the team. Come on please, let's get totally behind every player who crosses the line each match day. You don't need to be a McCarthy supporter to do this.
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Post by soulseal on Jul 22, 2017 10:16:06 GMT
We're all on here because we're Chester fans. Anyone wearing the blue and white gets my support and like every season before some of them will be found wanting. Including, potentially, the manager. However it's a clean bill of health I will give them all and will be judging them by this seasons performances and not last years.
If we'd won something last season and then kept losing this we wouldn't be saying it's OK, so whatever we do this season judgement will be just on this season.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 22, 2017 10:31:46 GMT
I don't like sniping at fellow fans but it so bleeding obvious tarvinblue is just loving this slight chance at some negavity. Now now Danny boy. No need to join the band of disciples hell bent on defending the Messiah that is Macca? Surely Tarvinblue is entitled to an opinion. In the sureness of time results will be the judge of opinions. Where did I defend McCarthy in that post? Yes he is, I just don't like how his posting rate seems to increase x10 at the slightest bit of negavitity.
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Post by dmcnally on Jul 22, 2017 10:33:55 GMT
He should have been sacked last season. For whatever reason he wasn't. Unfortunately, his latest interview shows no sign of humility or taking responsibility. Therefore it won't take long for the wounds of last season to re-open as people who were willing to give him a chance, such as myself, are already questioning him. Both he and the club should be perfectly aware of that, no matter how much they try to control the media and certain fans. Surely Maguire knows that the decent work he's done over the summer could be ruined by this bumbling fool. Time will tell and I dearly hope it's just that the players aren't giving 100% at this stage. Maguire doesn't decide McCarthy's future. The CFU board do.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jul 22, 2017 10:41:45 GMT
We thought that last season and they trashed us twice. In fairness, the defeat at their place last season was largely due to the worst example of reasonable officiating I saw last season. Which is saying something.
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 22, 2017 11:13:51 GMT
I didn't go, but yes the ref was reported to have been a clown at theirs', but they did a good job on us a few days later at ours.
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Post by Sealand Road Veteran on Jul 22, 2017 12:17:55 GMT
I didn't go, but yes the ref was reported to have been a clown at theirs', but they did a good job on us a few days later at ours. The ref at their place was shockingly bad, it was never a sending off for hunt either, but for me that forced JM to start messing with formation and it all went down hill from there
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jul 22, 2017 12:21:06 GMT
I didn't go, but yes the ref was reported to have been a clown at theirs', but they did a good job on us a few days later at ours. The ref at their place was shockingly bad, it was never a sending off for hunt either, but for me that forced JM to start messing with formation and it all went down hill from there And at our place their bench was constantly getting on the ref's back, trying to make him make decisions in their favour.
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Post by Hannibal on Jul 22, 2017 12:28:55 GMT
The ref at their place was shockingly bad, it was never a sending off for hunt either, but for me that forced JM to start messing with formation and it all went down hill from there And at our place their bench was constantly getting on the ref's back, trying to make him make decisions in their favour. Their 3rd, a penalty seemed to hit George on the back, but no Chester players protested.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jul 22, 2017 12:48:07 GMT
The ref at their place was shockingly bad, it was never a sending off for hunt either, but for me that forced JM to start messing with formation and it all went down hill from there And at our place their bench was constantly getting on the ref's back, trying to make him make decisions in their favour. That's what we need to do more of. Our manager was the ultimate cuck last season, both in his pre-match interviews and in his touchline style. Perhaps the presence of Tom Shaw will help in that regard judging by his reaction to the Tranmere dive at PP last term.
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Post by ubb1689 on Jul 22, 2017 17:31:33 GMT
We thought that last season and they trashed us twice. In fairness, the defeat at their place last season was largely due to the worst example of reasonable officiating I saw last season. Which is saying something. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by bluecestrian on Jul 22, 2017 20:48:43 GMT
I don't like sniping at fellow fans but it so bleeding obvious tarvinblue is just loving this slight chance at some negavity. If your looking for positive, well balance intellectual discussion perhaps you should consider popping over to the other forum occasionally www.devachat.com/index.php?showtopic=84284
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