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Post by roman on Jul 26, 2017 23:30:10 GMT
The only people killing football are the fans themselves. We complain about everything and do nothing to change it. We blame big corporations, owners, TV, the prawn sandwich brigade but never blame ourselves. Many fans scream and throw tantrums if there club don't challenge for anything yet blame everyone but themselves if the clubs gambles and it doesn't pay off. Every week we sell out and buy into the marketing.
This isn't just the premiership it goes right the wY down to the non leagues.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jul 27, 2017 8:13:19 GMT
The only people killing football are the fans themselves. We complain about everything and do nothing to change it. We blame big corporations, owners, TV, the prawn sandwich brigade but never blame ourselves. Many fans scream and throw tantrums if there club don't challenge for anything yet blame everyone but themselves if the clubs gambles and it doesn't pay off. Every week we sell out and buy into the marketing. This isn't just the premiership it goes right the wY down to the non leagues. Its not like you to be blaming the fans though is it?
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Post by roman on Jul 27, 2017 9:23:33 GMT
The only people killing football are the fans themselves. We complain about everything and do nothing to change it. We blame big corporations, owners, TV, the prawn sandwich brigade but never blame ourselves. Many fans scream and throw tantrums if there club don't challenge for anything yet blame everyone but themselves if the clubs gambles and it doesn't pay off. Every week we sell out and buy into the marketing. This isn't just the premiership it goes right the wY down to the non leagues. Its not like you to be blaming the fans though is it?
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jul 27, 2017 11:22:39 GMT
Its not like you to be blaming the fans though is it?
Are you saying I'm wrong??? You make some valid points agreed, but it runs deeper than that.
firstly the FA should shoulder much of the blame/burden. Their idea of grassroots football is all singing all dancing academies for kids to be "coached" by some bloke who has got his A star badge in America. While real grassroots football sees volunteers giving up their time and money to run football teams on council pitches, covered in excrement, broken glass and god knows what else, with no place for the kids to even get changed. By the time they are 15/16 they have either no place to play, no team to play for or they are getting into 6 aside stuff playing on 4G pitches popping up everywhere. Secondly is the mass trawling of football teams especially locally of any kids with a bit of talent. They give them a tracksuit and a head full of ideas they are good enough to play for Liverpool/Everton etc. one day, before dumping them at around 12-14, hopefully if they are good enough they are picked up by ourselves or anyone else local to them. The FA should also grow some bollocks and use Brexit as a means of changing the way we play at the highest level, and by that I mean internationally. They should introduce a law which states any club can sign on any number of players from all nationalities, but they must play with at least 7 English players at any one time.( in the English pyramid), this will take a few years, but will make our international team stronger. They wont do this though, because the FA don't own the game anymore, SKY/BT do. And there is my final point, the kick off change times, the date changing etc is all to suit a TV audience, not just here but in the far east, and this is where I do agree with you about people power. If a match gets changed from its traditional Saturday 3 o'clock kick off time to say a Monday night at 8 o'clock, fans of both teams should boycott the game and create zero atmosphere for the TV audience, this would work after a while, but it takes a concerted effort by all fans of all teams to reclaim the 3 oclock kick off. Will this happen, obviously not.
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Post by sqzl on Jul 27, 2017 12:45:00 GMT
Would agree. At the end of the day, what can we do as fans? An international boycott of games unless of a price freeze? Not realistic. We have very little power because people make rules based on money. As long as people buy Sky, BT and so on, go to matches and the worldwide audience is maintained/increased then what people things of certain decisions will not matter.
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Post by roman on Jul 27, 2017 13:04:20 GMT
Would agree. At the end of the day, what can we do as fans? An international boycott of games unless of a price freeze? Not realistic. We have very little power because people make rules based on money. As long as people buy Sky, BT and so on, go to matches and the worldwide audience is maintained/increased then what people things of certain decisions will not matter. I've got no problem with football being played on a Monday night, Friday night Sundays etc. I personally love watching football throughout the week and I wouldnt want that to change. My problem is the extortionate amount of money clubs charge fans for tickets, merchandise, food, parking etc. The amount of money ploughed into football should clearly subsidise these areas. Where I do agree it grass roots football. Money should be ploughed into infrastructure projects to bring through the next generation of talent. Boycott, why not??? This is why I blame the fans we continue to turn up like zombies and empty our pockets. What it needs is a leader, someone who is credible, a voice for football fans and I don't mean some no mark on a website who has no credibility I mean an ex footballer someone like Trevor Brooking. Arsenal have held boycotts, Liverpool have done it so there is a willingness, but it has to be coordinated across the country until change occurs I still believe we as fans are killing football by allowing the money men to win. |
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Post by sqzl on Jul 27, 2017 13:36:12 GMT
Would agree. At the end of the day, what can we do as fans? An international boycott of games unless of a price freeze? Not realistic. We have very little power because people make rules based on money. As long as people buy Sky, BT and so on, go to matches and the worldwide audience is maintained/increased then what people things of certain decisions will not matter. I've got no problem with football being played on a Monday night, Friday night Sundays etc. I personally love watching football throughout the week and I wouldnt want that to change. My problem is the extortionate amount of money clubs charge fans for tickets, merchandise, food, parking etc. The amount of money ploughed into football should clearly subsidise these areas. Where I do agree it grass roots football. Money should be ploughed into infrastructure projects to bring through the next generation of talent. Boycott, why not??? This is why I blame the fans we continue to turn up like zombies and empty our pockets. What it needs is a leader, someone who is credible, a voice for football fans and I don't mean some no mark on a website who has no credibility I mean an ex footballer someone like Trevor Brooking. Arsenal have held boycotts, Liverpool have done it so there is a willingness, but it has to be coordinated across the country until change occurs I still believe we as fans are killing football by allowing the money men to win. There are advocates out there, but i still don't see it possible. You look at the Project that Rio Ferdinand, Zamora (i think) and a couple of others are doing to build affordable housing. Neville's sports bar in Manchester is very reasonable. There are people, but to stand up to FIFA and the likes, it would take millions of worldwide fans getting behind them, jsut don;t think it's feasible. There are many people that would happily pay £22 to watch Chester next year, as well as those unhappy with £18. Not everyone will always agree. |
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Post by roman on Jul 27, 2017 13:58:41 GMT
I don't think it is Fifa we have to persuade for me its the FA and Premiership, one step at a time. Even if it just starts with eth premiership teams 'it can be done' they talk about creating false values on players they themselves are creating the market.
£22 and £18 is to expensive for non league football that level of football is worth no more than £10 and if that means you have to have part time players then you have part time players, if that means you have to play the kids you have to play the kids. Not many people would believe you would be able to run a club without an owner Chester and many other clubs have proved people wrong.
This is where I go back to us as fans we demand everything but do nothing to change the status quo.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 4, 2017 10:58:16 GMT
The problem is, at what point did it become out of control? I remember when I was first getting into football there was a lot of disgust at the way transfer fees were regularly into seven figures. A lot of people seemed to find Abromovich's spending spree at Chelsea the tipping point, but then Man City started to take it to even greater extremes. Last year, Man United paid a record £89m for a player who is still really yet to prove himself.
It does feel like this, at more than double the previous record, is a new level of obscenity, but really it's inevitable. The bubble isn't bursting and perhaps it's something that should've been foreseen and addressed many years ago.
I suppose what's hardest to accept about it is that in 1980, we got £300K for Ian Rush, and 37 years on that's still our record fee received. I know we haven't produced a player like Rush since and probably never will again, but we have helped players on to decent Premier League careers like Lee Dixon, Jonny Walters, Danny Collins and now Sam Hughes. When football has exploded way beyond inflation over the last few decades, it's somewhat galling the fees top teams will pay for lower league players seem to have stagnated.
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Post by Si on Aug 4, 2017 11:58:41 GMT
The Premiership is great entertainment, I've no problem with it really. And the ticket prices across the majority of Premiership clubs has come down, but this is actually a problem for us as it lessens the gap between what you can pay to watch Chester and what you pay to watch Everton etc. The real problem for the likes of us is the Forest Green's of the world, where someone can take over and spend ridiculous amounts of money when you consider their fanbase and income. How can we ever compete with that? In the lower league I feel there needs to be closer control of how much you can spend and it should relate to your income. I've no issue with the likes of Forest Green building a new stadium or investing in comumunity projects etc, but in terms of playing budget it doesn't sit right that with me that someone can chuck a load of money at it. Chester will never consistently compete with teams who have triple the playing budget.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 12:08:30 GMT
I'd be a strong advocate for Financial Fair Play within our League. Without it the National League remains a strictly amateur organisation. This would put the blockers on the likes of Fylde and Salford who will eventually throw enough money at it to gain FL status, denying well run within their means clubs like ourselves and dare I say it Wxm the chance to do it built on sound finances.
Saying that, FFP exists in Europe and Qatar seem to have side-stepped it in getting this Neymar deal through....
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Post by Lobster on Aug 4, 2017 12:18:59 GMT
It does seem like whatever you do, the ridiculously rich will always find a way to do and get whatever they want. And that's not a problem confined to football, sadly.
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Post by agl on Aug 5, 2017 16:30:13 GMT
Meanwhile at Southampton Virgil van Dyk is refusing to play. Signs a six year deal, injured for most of last season then decides he wants to play for someone else (i.e. LIverpool who tapped him up).
Nothing the club can do - he's valued at £50m, so it's financial suicide to call his bluff and let him rot in the reserves.
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