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Post by devavictrix on Aug 11, 2017 7:26:18 GMT
Chronicle are reporting McCarthy saying that there will be no new signings unless we get a major set back. This is concerning as we all know our defensive cover currently consists of two young lads and wade joyce. Also I think McCarthy believes Halls and LRT can do a job at CB. In my opinion LRT would do okay but Halls is to slow and to short.
When McCombe started hobbling around after falling awkwardly, you look at the bench and there's nobody to replace him with adequately. Or anyone to replace a full back to allow them to go to CB. From Tuesday it's also apparent that the CBs are going to be dealing with plenty of crosses and it's inevitable that knocks are going to be picked up if 10+ crosses are getting pinged in to the box each game.
The best way around a CB injury in the future would be to drop James back there and bring Dawson alongside Turnbull. With the current squad how would you deal with a CB injury?
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Post by rcb on Aug 11, 2017 8:04:43 GMT
If it becomes an issue perhaps the board will bring in a real manager. Oops my mistake, the budget won't allow for that either. The reality of the fan owned model is here for all to see.
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Post by sqzl on Aug 11, 2017 8:29:28 GMT
Chronicle are reporting McCarthy saying that there will be no new signings unless we get a major set back. This is concerning as we all know our defensive cover currently consists of two young lads and wade joyce. Also I think McCarthy believes Halls and LRT can do a job at CB. In my opinion LRT would do okay but Halls is to slow and to short. When McCombe started hobbling around after falling awkwardly, you look at the bench and there's nobody to replace him with adequately. Or anyone to replace a full back to allow them to go to CB. From Tuesday it's also apparent that the CBs are going to be dealing with plenty of crosses and it's inevitable that knocks are going to be picked up if 10+ crosses are getting pinged in to the box each game. The best way around a CB injury in the future would be to drop James back there and bring Dawson alongside Turnbull. With the current squad how would you deal with a CB injury? Thought i'd try giving you an actual response to your question which seems difficult to get at times on DC. I'd have to agree with you, drop James back to CB and i'd personally bring Davies into the team on the basis i'd rather have him in the team than Chappell (personal opinion) To be fair though, we do have young Jones to throw into the mix, sometimes it takes an injury for young lads to make a name for themselves, you just never know, he could be our next money player if he can prove himself. I hope the back 4 stay fit, we do looks worryingly short, i think a win tomorrow will go a long way in terms of us gaining confidence and we could still be awarded and points from the Solihull game according to the league. All of a sudden 7pts from the opening 3 games sounds pretty tidy. |
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Post by sqzl on Aug 11, 2017 8:33:00 GMT
If it becomes an issue perhaps the board will bring in a real manager. Oops my mistake, the budget won't allow for that either. The reality of the fan owned model is here for all to see. So you question the fan owned model? Genuine question not trying to start a childish arguement. Want to hear your reasons for thinking that this model is worse than the previous model of being owned when the risk is, we won't have a club to support. Not many people are prepared to cut losses of hundreds of thousands a season for a club, we are sustainable long term. |
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Post by embalmer on Aug 11, 2017 9:01:07 GMT
First of all, stop wasting a position on the bench by having a substitute goalkeeper - 99% of the time they aren't needed and I'd argue in the very rare occasions that they are, we'd have an outfield player who would be able to perform adequately for a short amount of time.
Secondly, you've really got to have either Wade Joyce or James Jones on the bench to offer some sort of defensive cover - having a bench made up of a goalkeeper your never going to use, two wingers and two strikers is really rather bizarre indeed.
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Post by rcb on Aug 11, 2017 9:05:04 GMT
If it becomes an issue perhaps the board will bring in a real manager. Oops my mistake, the budget won't allow for that either. The reality of the fan owned model is here for all to see. So you question the fan owned model? Genuine question not trying to start a childish arguement. Want to hear your reasons for thinking that this model is worse than the previous model of being owned when the risk is, we won't have a club to support. Not many people are prepared to cut losses of hundreds of thousands a season for a club, we are sustainable long term. No questioning of the current fan owned model whatsoever. Previous model worked well in the 1970's and 1980's. Last owner under previous model did not. Current model always had limitations and the phenomenal opening three years simply took us to the limits of the model very quickly. Some would say too quickly. I fully accept we are where we are, and deserve to be. The board needs to ensure we stay at this level. Whether this level of football attracts significantly larger crowds and other income streams is very doubtful. I'm sure the membership/ownership of the club are fully aware of this. Time passes, as do people, and the next generation will determine what type of club they want, if any, in the city. As an aside, given the limited budget would you have signed Joyce in preference to Dawson? Someone did. |
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Post by Harry Lime on Aug 11, 2017 10:49:28 GMT
First of all, stop wasting a position on the bench by having a substitute goalkeeper - 99% of the time they aren't needed and I'd argue in the very rare occasions that they are, we'd have an outfield player who would be able to perform adequately for a short amount of time. Secondly, you've really got to have either Wade Joyce or James Jones on the bench to offer some sort of defensive cover - having a bench made up of a goalkeeper your never going to use, two wingers and two strikers is really rather bizarre indeed. JMc's substitutions are always Strikers and Wingers unless there's an injury. So you can see why he loads his bench this way. Presumably he sees defensive cover as being those already playing. James drops back. Full backs move across etc. At the recent CFU meeting JMc mentioned he was hoping to bring in a centre half from Birmingham on loan. The next day one went to Solihull on loan. That may have been him. Hopefully we'll have another option if we get injuries or long suspensions. I actually thought we'd play a back three when I saw the squad as both full backs could play as part of a three. |
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Post by bluesince72 on Aug 11, 2017 11:05:28 GMT
Cover at CB is threadbare but at least we have James and LRT as well as Jones who can fill in there, but who in the squad can play left back should LRT be unavailable? As for joyce I guess he was re-signed because he can play in many positions, but mainly because he can do a job at right back.
With regard to progress, the club have to generate a lot more non football income, as controversial as the bus depot proposal is, it is the kind of development that if drawn up carefully could make a huge difference. On the football side the hope must be that Hughes is first in a long line of sales of talented graduates from the youth set up. The fan owned model works fine below National league level, and would work ok in L2 due to large central payments, but unfortunately this division is a financial nightmare for clubs without a wealthy backer or ridiculous, large failure/parachute payments rewarding relegation from the FL.
As for reverting back to being an 'owned' club, well the clubs record under that kind of ownership is not great, under Rowlands the club lurched from one financial crisis to the next,Barnes sold us out and unforgivably lost us The Stadium, Smith was a total clown, and Vaughan was terminal, so I don't see that route as a sensible option.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Aug 11, 2017 11:15:53 GMT
So you question the fan owned model? Genuine question not trying to start a childish arguement. Want to hear your reasons for thinking that this model is worse than the previous model of being owned when the risk is, we won't have a club to support. Not many people are prepared to cut losses of hundreds of thousands a season for a club, we are sustainable long term. No questioning of the current fan owned model whatsoever. Previous model worked well in the 1970's and 1980's. Last five owners under previous model did not. Current model always had limitations and the phenomenal opening three years simply took us to the limits of the model very quickly. Some would say too quickly. I fully accept we are where we are, and deserve to be. The board needs to ensure we stay at this level. Whether this level of football attracts significantly larger crowds and other income streams is very doubtful. I'm sure the membership/ownership of the club are fully aware of this. Time passes, as do people, and the next generation will determine what type of club they want, if any, in the city. As an aside, given the limited budget would you have signed Joyce in preference to Dawson? Someone did. Just modified your post a little. |
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Post by Dodge on Aug 11, 2017 11:48:20 GMT
Cover at CB is threadbare but at least we have James and LRT as well as Jones who can fill in there, but who in the squad can play left back should LRT be unavailable? As for joyce I guess he was re-signed because he can play in many positions, but mainly because he can do a job at right back. With regard to progress, the club have to generate a lot more non football income, as controversial as the bus depot proposal is, it is the kind of development that if drawn up carefully could make a huge difference. On the football side the hope must be that Hughes is first in a long line of sales of talented graduates from the youth set up. The fan owned model works fine below National league level, and would work ok in L2 due to large central payments, but unfortunately this division is a financial nightmare for clubs without a wealthy backer or ridiculous, large failure/parachute payments rewarding relegation from the FL. As for reverting back to being an 'owned' club, well the clubs record under that kind of ownership is not great, under Rowlands the club lurched from one financial crisis to the next,Barnes sold us out and unforgivably lost us The Stadium, Smith was a total clown, and Vaughan was terminal, so I don't see that route as a sensible option. Was Matty Waters traditionally a left back? |
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Post by sqzl on Aug 11, 2017 12:24:37 GMT
Cover at CB is threadbare but at least we have James and LRT as well as Jones who can fill in there, but who in the squad can play left back should LRT be unavailable? As for joyce I guess he was re-signed because he can play in many positions, but mainly because he can do a job at right back. With regard to progress, the club have to generate a lot more non football income, as controversial as the bus depot proposal is, it is the kind of development that if drawn up carefully could make a huge difference. On the football side the hope must be that Hughes is first in a long line of sales of talented graduates from the youth set up. The fan owned model works fine below National league level, and would work ok in L2 due to large central payments, but unfortunately this division is a financial nightmare for clubs without a wealthy backer or ridiculous, large failure/parachute payments rewarding relegation from the FL. As for reverting back to being an 'owned' club, well the clubs record under that kind of ownership is not great, under Rowlands the club lurched from one financial crisis to the next,Barnes sold us out and unforgivably lost us The Stadium, Smith was a total clown, and Vaughan was terminal, so I don't see that route as a sensible option. Was Matty Waters traditionally a left back? Right i thought, looks better on the wing for me. |
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Post by sqzl on Aug 11, 2017 13:31:40 GMT
But rcb, i don't understand how you can say you're not criticising the current model and then continue to post about it negatively? There is no limitations on a fan owned club, if we can generate the income, that's the biggest ask. It's also about the players on the pitch and the manager, who you also don't like (which is understandable at times - but give it chance this season). I guess everyone has their own opinion, but you always get personal with people in giving yours, his name is 'eyeswideopen' who cares if he doesn't have the same opinion as you. (EDIT - I realise the post slating his opinion has been removed) There is no correct opinion, that's why you have the word 'fact' in the dictionary as well. My point is, to make a valid argument, getting personal about a matter of opinion completely invalidates the way people will view your posts.
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 11, 2017 14:50:40 GMT
We've announced FIVE new commercial deals in the past few days. So we certainly are working on increasing off-field revenue.
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Post by rcb on Aug 11, 2017 15:45:21 GMT
But rcb, i don't understand how you can say you're not criticising the current model and then continue to post about it negatively? There is no limitations on a fan owned club, if we can generate the income, that's the biggest ask. It's also about the players on the pitch and the manager, who you also don't like (which is understandable at times - but give it chance this season). I guess everyone has their own opinion, but you always get personal with people in giving yours, his name is 'eyeswideopen' who cares if he doesn't have the same opinion as you. (EDIT - I realise the post slating his opinion has been removed) There is no correct opinion, that's why you have the word 'fact' in the dictionary as well. My point is, to make a valid argument, getting personal about a matter of opinion completely invalidates the way people will view your posts. Hi sqzl - thought you didn't want a silly argument, and yet here you are making things up to try and start one. No negative post by me, but an observation that we are where we are and I believe the model has taken us to a level we won't exceed. I'm happy where we are, i.e. National league, but won't be with relegation however. No one would be happier than me if THIS fan owned club went further. My opinion is that our current model has reached it's limit, so we disagree there. I would prefer more certainty and comfort than that on offer these past two seasons. so I hope the work by Mark Maguire reaps the rewards to this end. I presented no argument, merely an opinion. I do agree with your interpretation that I don't like McCarthy. He was totally disrespectful to the fans on match days and in interviews last season. He also needlessly started on the fans again recently. I also have an opinion of him as a manager, but will let time be the judge of that. I hope we both enjoy the match on Saturday.
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Post by delamereal on Aug 11, 2017 17:26:20 GMT
I personally think we definitely need some defensive cover and a wide midfielder as well.
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 11, 2017 17:47:33 GMT
I can understand the perspective here. We haven't got the budget to bring in anyone of sufficient quality, therefore our only option would be a loanee from a Premier League or Championship club. They aren't going to want their player sat on the bench so at the moment it's not at option. If someone was to become injured on a long term basis, which we have got to hope isn't the case, then we would have to look at it. The key to this is increasing our budget spend through commercial deals and particularly a decent cup run. A run to the second round could potentially bring in enough cash for us to strengthen considerably - just as Burr did two seasons ago. Our issue recently has been we have gone out without a fight at the qualifying stage the last two seasons, meaning no additional cash coming in mid season.
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Post by sqzl on Aug 11, 2017 18:36:55 GMT
But rcb, i don't understand how you can say you're not criticising the current model and then continue to post about it negatively? There is no limitations on a fan owned club, if we can generate the income, that's the biggest ask. It's also about the players on the pitch and the manager, who you also don't like (which is understandable at times - but give it chance this season). I guess everyone has their own opinion, but you always get personal with people in giving yours, his name is 'eyeswideopen' who cares if he doesn't have the same opinion as you. (EDIT - I realise the post slating his opinion has been removed) There is no correct opinion, that's why you have the word 'fact' in the dictionary as well. My point is, to make a valid argument, getting personal about a matter of opinion completely invalidates the way people will view your posts. Hi sqzl - thought you didn't want a silly argument, and yet here you are making things up to try and start one. No negative post by me, but an observation that we are where we are and I believe the model has taken us to a level we won't exceed. I'm happy where we are, i.e. National league, but won't be with relegation however. No one would be happier than me if THIS fan owned club went further. My opinion is that our current model has reached it's limit, so we disagree there. I would prefer more certainty and comfort than that on offer these past two seasons. so I hope the work by Mark Maguire reaps the rewards to this end. I presented no argument, merely an opinion. I do agree with your interpretation that I don't like McCarthy. He was totally disrespectful to the fans on match days and in interviews last season. He also needlessly started on the fans again recently. I also have an opinion of him as a manager, but will let time be the judge of that. I hope we both enjoy the match on Saturday.
Not at all, simply stating that you did personally attack him for stating his opinion. I think we will never really agree on that but it's a forum at the end of the day and we're both Chester fans. I really am not looking to argue at all, merely asking a question. Maybe it's the way I'm perceiving what you're saying, to me saying we've reach our limit as a fan owned club sounds like negativity towards the model. For most on here, the fan owned model is something highly supported, whilst I see that it'll be very difficult to compete at the top end, if we keep producing talented youngsters and sponsorships there is an open lid on limitation. |
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