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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 17:49:07 GMT
I'm led to believe that JM favours everybody back when defending corners because "statistically" fewer goals are conceded this way.
This may be true, I genuinely don't know, but without an outlet there's every chance a clearance will go straight to the opposition for them to launch another attack thus piling more pressure on the defence and increasing the possibility of conceding from these "secondary" phases.
Personally, I'm in favour of leaving one or two upfront.
Crikey, even Halifax today left two upfront when defending corners and they were the AWAY team!
I think this approach reinforces the view that JM errs too much on the side of caution and he really needs to be more proactive especially at home where we should be driving the game, not the away team.
What do others think?
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Post by kyle on Aug 12, 2017 17:56:57 GMT
I think it's a terrible tactic. No outlet, and in my opinion makes it more likely to concede as defenders get in each other's way
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Post by sqzl on Aug 12, 2017 18:02:54 GMT
I always think the more men you leave forward the more your opponents are forced to leave back. Mahon and Hannah should stay up on corners, not as if they offer any height anyway.
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Post by billyw on Aug 12, 2017 18:17:04 GMT
I'm led to believe that JM favours everybody back when defending corners because "statistically" fewer goals are conceded this way. This may be true, I genuinely don't know, but without an outlet there's every chance a clearance will go straight to the opposition for them to launch another attack thus piling more pressure on the defence and increasing the possibility of conceding from these "secondary" phases. Personally, I'm in favour of leaving one or two upfront. Crikey, even Halifax today left two upfront when defending corners and they were the AWAY team! I think this approach reinforces the view that JM errs too much on the side of caution and he really needs to be more proactive especially at home where we should be driving the game, not the away team. What do others think? As you say, McCarthy claims that statistically a team will concede fewer goals when everyone is back. I think that is arguable as if it was the case, every team would do it. McCarthy may be a good manager if only we could play our games on a blackboard. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 12, 2017 18:17:30 GMT
This tactic typifies the manager's submissive style of play.
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Post by Blockhead on Aug 12, 2017 19:21:23 GMT
Not leaving a player up when defending a corner is an absolutely shocking tactic. You're basically giving the opposition two corners for every one they win.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 12, 2017 22:08:24 GMT
Yeah it seems a very simplistic application of statistics if true. You've got to think not just about the corner, but the phase of play after it.
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Post by Sealand Road Veteran on Aug 12, 2017 22:38:01 GMT
I saw it mentioned that statistically you are less likely to concede, but Apparently the reason is statistically you are more likely to score on the counter attack when you have 11 players in your own box than you are if you leave players up top. macca loves his stats
Not a fan of the tactic myself as you have no out ball but what do I know
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Post by eyeswideopen on Aug 13, 2017 6:19:40 GMT
The actual rate of goals per corner is amazingly low.
West Brom were the Premier league top scorers from corners last season with 10.
Sunderland never scored any, most clubs averaged around 3 or 4.
Taking an average of about 4 corners per game over 38 games it equates to about 1 goal every 30 ish corners.
Is it really worth playing such negative tactics when the stats say the chances of scoring direct from a corner are pretty low anyway.
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Post by oldboneze on Aug 13, 2017 7:34:41 GMT
About 30 years ago, I heard an interview with Harry Redknapp. He argued that you should leave 4 players on the halfway line when defending a corner. His reasoning was simple arithmetic. With 4 upfront, your opponents will keep 5 men back plus the goalkeeper. In addition, 1 man will take the corner. Therefore, they can only have 4 men in or around the your box and you will have 7 men to defend against them. Sounds logical to me, although I've never seen it in practice. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Aug 13, 2017 9:55:50 GMT
This is the same Harry Redknapp whose dog had a bank account, I don't think he practiced what he preached when it came to arithmetic, especially where finance was concerned.
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