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Post by iandychesterfc on Aug 13, 2017 9:07:03 GMT
I am genuinely curious about this, whether people are actually advocating sacking a manager 2 GAMES in.
Fully understand the point about lack of wins since December, it's hard not to and has been made repeatedly every thread tbh, but seriously - people saying the board should "grow a pair" are you actually serious you'd sack a manager after 2 games.
I'm not talking about after 10-15 games, the way people are reacting it's as if you genuinely think that would be an acceptable way to behave as a football club.
You say it's the tactics and it won't change. Really. 2 games. "It's not 2 games its since December ffs rah rah" heard it, get it. This isn't Sunday league this is a professional football club.
You don't back a manager and sack him 2 games in. Who's going to come in to a club like that? And at what cost?
We literally were on a par with Halifax yesterday, but I would swap our team with theirs imo. Denton or White? Denton wins more but is hardly mobile. We both play same way, ball up the field quicker to then try for 2nd ball in better areas. That's our tactic. We've seen it all before under Wright and in league 2 it was limited. Harry White is our new version of Jon Walters and I anticipate that's how we're going to play under McCarthy.
Now, simmer down, I'm not saying this football excites me but we saw Burr abandon sexy football on this budget and I don't blame JM for playing safe. It's a mentality, WE think we're better than Halifax but JM doesn't. He sees a low budget side trying to punch above its weight, our fans seem to think we should be challenging.
What needs to improve, and quickly, is our ability to create chances. JM has always focused on not losing. It was a godsend when he took over from Burr. In those 4 games he made us solid and organised allowing us to stay in games and nick wins. Akintunde scores (who really should have started) it's a good result and it's mission complete for JM.
Look at that run we had last season 1-0 and 1-1 was the staple, it's like people have forgotten what made us good on that run wasn't sexy football, it was being hard to beat and nicking wins. Sometimes you don't nick the win and you draw. JM philosophy is that us being better than being expansive and winning and losing as we did under Burr.
We need to improve of course but for gods sake don't make DC2 what everyone is saying it is, reactionary and negative. I defended this forum Tuesday but I fear this poll will show it was misplaced. I didn't hear anyone moaning on the run to December last year and I'm sorry, the football hasn't changed, we're not getting beat. (Yet) and going into tough run we need to show some perspective
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Post by paulie on Aug 13, 2017 9:13:42 GMT
The fact the club didn't pull the trigger in the summer means this debate will fester on until it finally happens or McCarthy walks away. He has lost the faith and support of many fans. I don't know what the views of the board or mark maguire have on the results, but McCarthy is happy the way things are going.
The upside of giving him the 9,10, jack now is at least a new manager will have a near enough full season to get on with the job.
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Post by richard on Aug 13, 2017 10:02:18 GMT
I am genuinely curious about this, whether people are actually advocating sacking a manager 2 GAMES in. Fully understand the point about lack of wins since December, it's hard not to and has been made repeatedly every thread tbh, but seriously - people saying the board should "grow a pair" are you actually serious you'd sack a manager after 2 games. I'm not talking about after 10-15 games, the way people are reacting it's as if you genuinely think that would be an acceptable way to behave as a football club. You say it's the tactics and it won't change. Really. 2 games. "It's not 2 games its since December ffs rah rah" heard it, get it. This isn't Sunday league this is a professional football club. You don't back a manager and sack him 2 games in. Who's going to come in to a club like that? And at what cost? We literally were on a par with Halifax yesterday, but I would swap our team with theirs imo. Denton or White? Denton wins more but is hardly mobile. We both play same way, ball up the field quicker to then try for 2nd ball in better areas. That's our tactic. We've seen it all before under Wright and in league 2 it was limited. Harry White is our new version of Jon Walters and I anticipate that's how we're going to play under McCarthy. Now, simmer down, I'm not saying this football excites me but we saw Burr abandon sexy football on this budget and I don't blame JM for playing safe. It's a mentality, WE think we're better than Halifax but JM doesn't. He sees a low budget side trying to punch above its weight, our fans seem to think we should be challenging. What needs to improve, and quickly, is our ability to create chances. JM has always focused on not losing. It was a godsend when he took over from Burr. In those 4 games he made us solid and organised allowing us to stay in games and nick wins. Akintunde scores (who really should have started) it's a good result and it's mission complete for JM. Look at that run we had last season 1-0 and 1-1 was the staple, it's like people have forgotten what made us good on that run wasn't sexy football, it was being hard to beat and nicking wins. Sometimes you don't nick the win and you draw. JM philosophy is that us being better than being expansive and winning and losing as we did under Burr. We need to improve of course but for gods sake don't make DC2 what everyone is saying it is, reactionary and negative. I defended this forum Tuesday but I fear this poll will show it was misplaced. I didn't hear anyone moaning on the run to December last year and I'm sorry, the football hasn't changed, we're not getting beat. (Yet) and going into tough run we need to show some perspective Good post, but I fear you are wasting your breath on here. Can't deny yesterday was ugly viewing, but most people on here seem to be baying for blood after two games of a new season. A mostly new squad of players, as yet unbeaten. Incredible reaction from the multiple posting reactionary glass very much half empty brigade. For me, Halifax came to stop us playing and succeeded. Fylde, on the other hand came to play football and we matched them for large portions of the game. This team is more balanced, more talented and could do well. What value is to be gained by all this flapping is beyond me.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 13, 2017 10:23:23 GMT
Just want to take you up on your paragraph about us not complaining during the unbeaten run when we were playing the same and nicking wins...
Chester 3-0 Dag&Red Chester 4-0 Sutton Chester 5-0 Dover
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Post by iandychesterfc on Aug 13, 2017 10:42:25 GMT
I can't be arsed googling the rest of the results in that 17 games but well done. Those games we were defensive still, it just happened for us tbf.
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Post by blue4life on Aug 13, 2017 10:58:21 GMT
Only 1700 Chester fans in attendance yesterday and if you take out season ticket holders 1100 that's only 600 paying, tells its own story really.
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Post by Johnnybling on Aug 13, 2017 11:56:27 GMT
I would give him 4 more games will genuinely know by then if we have learned any lessons from last season on a positive note we're still unbeaten on a negative one that's until Tuesday!
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Post by CH3STER on Aug 13, 2017 12:10:16 GMT
Embarrassing stance from some our fans. Settle down, two draws isn't the end of the world. Win the next game and people will be saying we look a solid outfit. Just relax
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Post by billyw on Aug 13, 2017 13:12:17 GMT
I am genuinely curious about this, whether people are actually advocating sacking a manager 2 GAMES in. Fully understand the point about lack of wins since December, it's hard not to and has been made repeatedly every thread tbh, but seriously - people saying the board should "grow a pair" are you actually serious you'd sack a manager after 2 games. I'm not talking about after 10-15 games, the way people are reacting it's as if you genuinely think that would be an acceptable way to behave as a football club. You say it's the tactics and it won't change. Really. 2 games. "It's not 2 games its since December ffs rah rah" heard it, get it. This isn't Sunday league this is a professional football club. You don't back a manager and sack him 2 games in. Who's going to come in to a club like that? And at what cost? We literally were on a par with Halifax yesterday, but I would swap our team with theirs imo. Denton or White? Denton wins more but is hardly mobile. We both play same way, ball up the field quicker to then try for 2nd ball in better areas. That's our tactic. We've seen it all before under Wright and in league 2 it was limited. Harry White is our new version of Jon Walters and I anticipate that's how we're going to play under McCarthy. Now, simmer down, I'm not saying this football excites me but we saw Burr abandon sexy football on this budget and I don't blame JM for playing safe. It's a mentality, WE think we're better than Halifax but JM doesn't. He sees a low budget side trying to punch above its weight, our fans seem to think we should be challenging. What needs to improve, and quickly, is our ability to create chances. JM has always focused on not losing. It was a godsend when he took over from Burr. In those 4 games he made us solid and organised allowing us to stay in games and nick wins. Akintunde scores (who really should have started) it's a good result and it's mission complete for JM. Look at that run we had last season 1-0 and 1-1 was the staple, it's like people have forgotten what made us good on that run wasn't sexy football, it was being hard to beat and nicking wins. Sometimes you don't nick the win and you draw. JM philosophy is that us being better than being expansive and winning and losing as we did under Burr. We need to improve of course but for gods sake don't make DC2 what everyone is saying it is, reactionary and negative. I defended this forum Tuesday but I fear this poll will show it was misplaced. I didn't hear anyone moaning on the run to December last year and I'm sorry, the football hasn't changed, we're not getting beat. (Yet) and going into tough run we need to show some perspective Good post, but I fear you are wasting your breath on here. Can't deny yesterday was ugly viewing, but most people on here seem to be baying for blood after two games of a new season. A mostly new squad of players, as yet unbeaten. Incredible reaction from the multiple posting reactionary glass very much half empty brigade. For me, Halifax came to stop us playing and succeeded. Fylde, on the other hand came to play football and we matched them for large portions of the game. This team is more balanced, more talented and could do well. What value is to be gained by all this flapping is beyond me. Dead right Richard. The team is more balanced and more talented but unfortunately we still have the same clueless manager. It is beyond me how anyone can take satisfaction from the fact that we are unbeaten when Halifax were one of the worst sides I've seen at the Deva. If you think McCarthy has the ability to turn things around, you are sadly deluded.
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 13, 2017 13:25:24 GMT
Good post, but I fear you are wasting your breath on here. Can't deny yesterday was ugly viewing, but most people on here seem to be baying for blood after two games of a new season. A mostly new squad of players, as yet unbeaten. Incredible reaction from the multiple posting reactionary glass very much half empty brigade. For me, Halifax came to stop us playing and succeeded. Fylde, on the other hand came to play football and we matched them for large portions of the game. This team is more balanced, more talented and could do well. What value is to be gained by all this flapping is beyond me. Dead right Richard. The team is more balanced and more talented but unfortunately we still have the same clueless manager. It is beyond me how anyone can take satisfaction from the fact that we are unbeaten when Halifax were one of the worst sides I've seen at the Deva. If you think McCarthy has the ability to turn things around, you are sadly deluded. You're wasting your breath mate - Richard will never have a bad word said about McCarthy and will always handily forget facts - like the appalling 6 months that ended last season. It's not about 2 games of football, it's about the same old failings being present with a much better squad of players.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 13, 2017 13:26:22 GMT
It's not really accurate to say people are "calling for his head after two games". It's two games on the back of a poor second half of the season that has people concerned. We deserve a better response to the poor January - April period than we've seen so far, make no mistake.
However, it would be awful PR to sack him two games into the season, neither of which were lost. He should probably have gone at the end of last season, but since he didn't, 8-10 games is reasonable.
It does really feel like we're just going through the motions with him now though, and that we're giving him more time out of courtesy than out of any real hope of change. I'd love to see everything click into place on the pitch, but I can't imagine it, and I'm not sure anyone else really can either.
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Post by sqzl on Aug 13, 2017 14:14:49 GMT
It's not really accurate to say people are "calling for his head after two games". It's two games on the back of a poor second half of the season that has people concerned. We deserve a better response to the poor January - April period than we've seen so far, make no mistake. However, it would be awful PR to sack him two games into the season, neither of which were lost. He should probably have gone at the end of last season, but since he didn't, 8-10 games is reasonable. It does really feel like we're just going through the motions with him now though, and that we're giving him more time out of courtesy than out of any real hope of change. I'd love to see everything click into place on the pitch, but I can't imagine it, and I'm not sure anyone else really can either. Got to give him 10 games. I think my only gripe with some is that they almost seem to thrive off poor performances so they can slate JMc. Football is a results business and you could argue that we are stronger this season having not lost thus far. Realistically, I would have taken 5pt from opening 3 and no losses, unfortunately we will never know if we would have beaten Solihull on day1. Hartlepool are beatable and expect a result while they're still finding their feet, a bit like when we battered the daggers last season.
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Post by agl on Aug 13, 2017 14:19:40 GMT
It's clear there's a massive hang over. Rightly or wrongly McCarthy is being judged on the awful second half of the season - he was never going to be given more than the first game to hit the ground running. Even if we'd won the first two there would be people waiting in the wings for a slip. He's also not done himself any favours with some of his remarks about the fans (even if he was right to an extent) and some of the rubbish he came out with last season ("Hudson my best signing"). Yes, it's crazy to be calling for a manager's head after two games - I'm not one of them even though I did feel he should have gone at the end of last season, but I don't see a happy outcome. You can see from this board which, even if you strip out the morons, is reasonably reflective of the fanbase that he doesn't enjoy much support. Part of the problem is that it's self fulfilling - there's a poison around the club. Without naming names there are some who won't be happy until the manager goes - even if he wins the next two they will be waiting for a defeat and it all starts again. I can't see how that doesn't affect the players - despite the great efforts to improve the Harry Mac the atmosphere at home is pretty negative. Also gives the players an excuse to under-perform if the fans are all blaming the boss, not them. I think there was an element of that last season too. I'd like to give him ten games, everyone gets behind the team and then judge him - worst case scenario we won't be cut adrift as at least we look competitive and should pick up a few points. Whether we can afford to replace him is another matter, not to mention who could do a better job.
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Post by Si on Aug 13, 2017 14:24:28 GMT
Got to give him ten games. If in that period we still haven't won a home game then sadly it would be clear he cannot tactically manage home games and as a fan owned club we cannot afford to be so poor at home consistently. I fancy us to look good on the road and pick up some results, but he badly needs that elusive home win to lift the pressure.
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Post by devablue on Aug 13, 2017 14:41:18 GMT
Will give him time but only if the tactics start to evidently improve. Going to make a big statement right now and say we're playing worse football ATM under McCarthy than we were with Burr, and with better players too.
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Post by rcb on Aug 13, 2017 15:08:30 GMT
Will give him time but only if the tactics start to evidently improve. Going to make a big statement right now and say we're playing worse football ATM under McCarthy than we were with Burr, and with better players too. Please assist me with the accuracy, if necessary, on what I believe to be the case. Following Neil Young's departure the replacement process included preparing a job spec., compiling an advert alongside a candidate profile, inviting applications before a closing date, shortlisting from those applicants, and thereafter the interview process. I am led to believe Steve Burr did not submit to this process but ended up being appointment. When Eastleigh wanted to talk to Burr we could have benefitted from compensation, but instead ended up burdened by an expensive dismissal package. Burr was responsible for bringing in McCarthy, who has been allowed to drag us along to where we are presently, and gaining an unnecessary extension in the process. If he is sacked it will be a further costly exercise as I see no possibility of him either walking or being retained in a lesser role. How has it been allowed to get to this?
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Post by iandychesterfc on Aug 13, 2017 15:16:32 GMT
Not one single person complained when Burr joined RCB, it was a bit of a coup at the time and we rubbed wrexham noses in it.
I genuinely can't believe there are 12 people Who would sack the manager of a new team (only 2 from last season yesterday) in 2 games.
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Post by rcb on Aug 13, 2017 15:37:04 GMT
Not one single person complained when Burr joined RCB, it was a bit of a coup at the time and we rubbed wrexham noses in it. I genuinely can't believe there are 12 people Who would sack the manager of a new team (only 2 from last season yesterday) in 2 games. Thanks. I respect your opinion but seek information in regard to the accuracy of my post, either by confirmation or correction.. p.s. I do think those seeking the removal of Jmc do so on the basis of 8 months, not 2 games.
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Post by billyw on Aug 13, 2017 15:39:18 GMT
It's not really accurate to say people are "calling for his head after two games". It's two games on the back of a poor second half of the season that has people concerned. We deserve a better response to the poor January - April period than we've seen so far, make no mistake. However, it would be awful PR to sack him two games into the season, neither of which were lost. He should probably have gone at the end of last season, but since he didn't, 8-10 games is reasonable. It does really feel like we're just going through the motions with him now though, and that we're giving him more time out of courtesy than out of any real hope of change. I'd love to see everything click into place on the pitch, but I can't imagine it, and I'm not sure anyone else really can either. Got to give him 10 games. I think my only gripe with some is that they almost seem to thrive off poor performances so they can slate JMc. Football is a results business and you could argue that we are stronger this season having not lost thus far. Realistically, I would have taken 5pt from opening 3 and no losses, unfortunately we will never know if we would have beaten Solihull on day1. Hartlepool are beatable and expect a result while they're still finding their feet, a bit like when we battered the daggers last season. Your second sentence is frankly ridiculous and offensive. While we may have different opinions, the fact that we all post on here shows our passion and commitment to the club and we want McCarthy to succeed because that means the club succeeds, which is surely what we all want. However some of us are astute enough to know that he has not got what it takes to be a manager and never will have. Instead of having a go at the people on here who have no faith in McCarthy, I suggest the main concern should be about those fans who are turning away in droves because of the rubbish being served up by him. Would he still be in post had the Board not foolishly extended his contract - not a chance.
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Post by Harry Lime on Aug 13, 2017 16:17:32 GMT
Has anyone stopped to think that part of the reason for the drop in attendances is actually down to the constant moaning and criticism about standard of football from those who don't actually go the matches?
There's quite a few posts in the Halifax and Fylde threads from people saying "I didn't go on Tuesday" or "didn't go today". Then slagging everything off. Presumably they also do that in the pub, and it gets repeated on and on. Hardly encourages more to join us suffering on the terraces, does it?
Yes. It's worrying, and we are all concerned, that it isn't going to turn round. But the constant negativity could well be self fulfilling. Will everyone then go I told you so.
In answer to the original question. No. You don't give a manager a two year deal. Let him sign a whole new team. Then sack him after two games. They wouldn't even do that at Leeds!
Genuine Question. Who the hell would we get in?
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Post by g1 on Aug 13, 2017 16:38:57 GMT
4 wins in 24 games should tell you something is wrong who do we get in well go for broke and get Reid in a club legend good track record deserves a chance
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Post by iandychesterfc on Aug 13, 2017 16:51:55 GMT
Reid? Behave ffs
Harvey only one I could think with requisite experience but that wouldn't go down well in some circles
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Post by sqzl on Aug 13, 2017 16:58:00 GMT
Got to give him 10 games. I think my only gripe with some is that they almost seem to thrive off poor performances so they can slate JMc. Football is a results business and you could argue that we are stronger this season having not lost thus far. Realistically, I would have taken 5pt from opening 3 and no losses, unfortunately we will never know if we would have beaten Solihull on day1. Hartlepool are beatable and expect a result while they're still finding their feet, a bit like when we battered the daggers last season. Your second sentence is frankly ridiculous and offensive. While we may have different opinions, the fact that we all post on here shows our passion and commitment to the club and we want McCarthy to succeed because that means the club succeeds, which is surely what we all want. However some of us are astute enough to know that he has not got what it takes to be a manager and never will have. Instead of having a go at the people on here who have no faith in McCarthy, I suggest the main concern should be about those fans who are turning away in droves because of the rubbish being served up by him. Would he still be in post had the Board not foolishly extended his contract - not a chance. The posters I'm talking about are the ones that didn't even attend, but come on and say it sounded awful and start calling for JMc's head. I'm not saying anyone's opinion is invalid at all, but when people don't attend then slate the tactics it's hard to acknowledge. Here's a question for all of you super astute posters, how many of you were saying JMc doesn't have what it takes as a manger when we were 7th heading into the Christmas period last year? I'll answer that, none of you. My point? Football is a very very fickle sport, and the fans more so. The suggestion it was all Sharps is not as equally offensive to all the hard work of the players and management team, surely. I know Ian would have had some great defensive input, and for me the defence is what fell apart last season and the confidence went with it. I just think there's no need for panic stations just yet, we've played two games and haven't even lost either of them, despite, as we all rightly say, having played poor football. 10 games is a reasonable time to judge. Being serious, if we do sack JM, we need more fans through the gate or were looking at eating into any leftover income from Alabi or Sam if it's not already spent.
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 13, 2017 17:05:36 GMT
Reid? Behave ffs Harvey only one I could think with requisite experience but that wouldn't go down well in some circles Bignot - worked wonders on a budget at Solihull and would fit our club perfectly. Have to give McCarthy 10 games but then the board need to review the situation. Halifax and York have proven in recent years that any later leaves too much to do. Let's see how we get on the next 8 games.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Aug 13, 2017 17:22:57 GMT
I'd agree with this. As I said in another thread surely we need to win a minimum of 3 of these first 10 games with ideally 3 or so draws thrown in. If not if Bignot would come it has to be considered. Yes he has to be given a chance with his new side to gel etc. That said the second half of last season still leaves a bitter taste with many. Let's see where we are at after 10 games
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Post by Si on Aug 13, 2017 17:27:39 GMT
Your second sentence is frankly ridiculous and offensive. While we may have different opinions, the fact that we all post on here shows our passion and commitment to the club and we want McCarthy to succeed because that means the club succeeds, which is surely what we all want. However some of us are astute enough to know that he has not got what it takes to be a manager and never will have. Instead of having a go at the people on here who have no faith in McCarthy, I suggest the main concern should be about those fans who are turning away in droves because of the rubbish being served up by him. Would he still be in post had the Board not foolishly extended his contract - not a chance. The posters I'm talking about are the ones that didn't even attend, but come on and say it sounded awful and start calling for JMc's head. I'm not saying anyone's opinion is invalid at all, but when people don't attend then slate the tactics it's hard to acknowledge. Here's a question for all of you super astute posters, how many of you were saying JMc doesn't have what it takes as a manger when we were 7th heading into the Christmas period last year? I'll answer that, none of you. My point? Football is a very very fickle sport, and the fans more so. The suggestion it was all Sharps is not as equally offensive to all the hard work of the players and management team, surely. I know Ian would have had some great defensive input, and for me the defence is what fell apart last season and the confidence went with it. I just think there's no need for panic stations just yet, we've played two games and haven't even lost either of them, despite, as we all rightly say, having played poor football. 10 games is a reasonable time to judge. Being serious, if we do sack JM, we need more fans through the gate or were looking at eating into any leftover income from Alabi or Sam if it's not already spent. I didn't go on Saturday, but it sounded like most of the home games of the last 2017 so I can well imagine what it was like. I really want Jon to succeed but this home record is deeply concerning and what concerns me is that he doesn't ever seen to acknowledge it - I think he thinks it's all fine.
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Post by banksy on Aug 13, 2017 19:31:23 GMT
Do I want to see the manager sacked after 2 games?
No.
It's a new season, we need to give them more time. Half time on Tuesday night the lads were clapped off. Second half we faded but came strong towards the end. We've done worse on opening days.
I wasn't able to attend yesterday as in work, but obviously from those that went, it wasn't pretty.
We have to believe that we have a much better squad than last season but it may take more time to gel than we think. Everyone has been mainly full of praise for the managers work in the transfer market and it's now up to him and the players to make it work.
We'll know after the '10 games' where we are and if we are still winless then serious decisions will have to be considered. I hope we turn these draws into wins quickly as its clear patience is already wearing thin in the ground, and we need everyone to be together as much as possible in the ground to support the boys, and not put them back into their shells.
So, no to sacking after 2 games. That would be ridiculous in my opinion.
Jeff
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Post by sirfred on Aug 13, 2017 20:18:34 GMT
Do I want to see the manager sacked after 2 games? No. It's a new season, we need to give them more time. Half time on Tuesday night the lads were clapped off. Second half we faded but came strong towards the end. We've done worse on opening days. I wasn't able to attend yesterday as in work, but obviously from those that went, it wasn't pretty. We have to believe that we have a much better squad than last season but it may take more time to gel than we think. Everyone has been mainly full of praise for the managers work in the transfer market and it's now up to him and the players to make it work. We'll know after the '10 games' where we are and if we are still winless then serious decisions will have to be considered. I hope we turn these draws into wins quickly as its clear patience is already wearing thin in the ground, and we need everyone to be together as much as possible in the ground to support the boys, and not put them back into their shells. So, no to sacking after 2 games. That would be ridiculous in my opinion. Jeff I sort of agree but what is really concerning is Mccarthy won't admit a poor performance what's the matter with the guy ! Is he a sandwich short of a loaf or what - if he admitted a performance was poor he would get more respect from me
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Post by Harry Lime on Aug 13, 2017 20:59:09 GMT
Don't you think JMc knows there's a problem?
I think what he says in public, to keep his players confidence up, is different to what he thinks/says with the dressing room doors shut. You keep private what is said in there. Keeps the group bonding together. It's his public comments that we judge him, because we don't hear anything else.
Mourinho always said the only people I do my press conferences for are my own players.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 21:04:16 GMT
Embarrassing stance from some our fans. Settle down, two draws isn't the end of the world. Win the next game and people will be saying we look a solid outfit. Just relax I think CH3STER has hit the nail on the head for you. And, you've got to be realistic.
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