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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 21, 2017 9:30:29 GMT
Has the ambitious ten year plan for a return to the Football League been shelved? We essentially have three years left on this. Not that it bothers me, I'm happy watching a side that entertains and competes at this level (with the occasional hope for a play-off challenge) but I'm just interested to know whether the long-term objectives of the club have changed.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Aug 21, 2017 9:31:59 GMT
A lot can happen in three years. I don't think we will reach the football league by 2020 because this league is getting tougher, but if we appoint someone with National League experience and with ambition, then we could challenge in the next few years.
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Post by paulie on Aug 21, 2017 9:37:38 GMT
Has the ambitious ten year plan for a return to the Football League been shelved? We essentially have three years left on this. Not that it bothers me, I'm happy watching a side that entertains and competes at this level (with the occasional hope for a play-off challenge) but I'm just interested to know whether the long-term objectives of the club have changed. I always thought of getting back in the league as a pipe dream. This is a difficult league to get promoted from and we will never have the financial clout to do so. As as things look at the minute, a return to the conference North is looking highly likely and that will be catastrophic for the club. |
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Post by btb on Aug 21, 2017 10:35:14 GMT
Has the ambitious ten year plan for a return to the Football League been shelved? We essentially have three years left on this. Not that it bothers me, I'm happy watching a side that entertains and competes at this level (with the occasional hope for a play-off challenge) but I'm just interested to know whether the long-term objectives of the club have changed. I always thought of getting back in the league as a pipe dream. This is a difficult league to get promoted from and we will never have the financial clout to do so. As as things look at the minute, a return to the conference North is looking highly likely and that will be catastrophic for the club. Agreed that the football league was a pipe dream but there's no harm in ambition and at least trying to achieve the dream. Better to try and fail than to not try at all. And at the moment we have a manager who has admitted his ambition is fifth from bottom. Also agreed that with the managers lack of ambition a return to the regional league is looking likely. That said tho, would it be the end of the world? It's a much more competitive league than when we left and it has several decent clubs in it. More local games to go to. Cheaper football and cheaper players. We probably came up through the leagues to quickly. If, and I realise it's a big if, we can keep the hardcore support lessons may have been learnt and we could get some more money in the rainy day fund. |
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Post by sqzl on Aug 21, 2017 10:37:49 GMT
I'd take a one year plan of staying in the conference at the moment.
Perhaps we can get a cup run going this season to generate JM's pay out.
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Post by Harry Lime on Aug 21, 2017 11:21:29 GMT
I always thought of getting back in the league as a pipe dream. This is a difficult league to get promoted from and we will never have the financial clout to do so. As as things look at the minute, a return to the conference North is looking highly likely and that will be catastrophic for the club. Agreed that the football league was a pipe dream but there's no harm in ambition and at least trying to achieve the dream. Better to try and fail than to not try at all. And at the moment we have a manager who has admitted his ambition is fifth from bottom. Also agreed that with the managers lack of ambition a return to the regional league is looking likely. That said tho, would it be the end of the world? It's a much more competitive league than when we left and it has several decent clubs in it. More local games to go to. Cheaper football and cheaper players. We probably came up through the leagues to quickly. If, and I realise it's a big if, we can keep the hardcore support lessons may have been learnt and we could get some more money in the rainy day fund. JMc's ambition isn't to finish fifth from bottom. That's something that has mistakenly been consistently misquoted on here. The MINIMUM aim is to finish fifth from bottom. He went through how if we could accumulate more points where we could finish. 1.1 points keeps you up. 1.4 gets you into the top half. 1.6 might get you into the play offs etc. I maybe slightly out on the actual point totals but that was the gist of his talk at the CFU. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 21, 2017 11:35:06 GMT
Agreed that the football league was a pipe dream but there's no harm in ambition and at least trying to achieve the dream. Better to try and fail than to not try at all. And at the moment we have a manager who has admitted his ambition is fifth from bottom. Also agreed that with the managers lack of ambition a return to the regional league is looking likely. That said tho, would it be the end of the world? It's a much more competitive league than when we left and it has several decent clubs in it. More local games to go to. Cheaper football and cheaper players. We probably came up through the leagues to quickly. If, and I realise it's a big if, we can keep the hardcore support lessons may have been learnt and we could get some more money in the rainy day fund. JMc's ambition isn't to finish fifth from bottom. That's something that has mistakenly been consistently misquoted on here. The MINIMUM aim is to finish fifth from bottom. He went through how if we could accumulate more points where we could finish. 1.1 points keeps you up. 1.4 gets you into the top half. 1.6 might get you into the play offs etc. I maybe slightly out on the actual point totals but that was the gist of his talk at the CFU. Using Jon's own arithmetic, taking into account every game he has been in the dugout for since he took over at the club - including the run of games last season and the end of the previous one - he has averaged just over 1.1 points per game. That's 54 games of football. Therefore, at best, you can expect that to be the continued pattern - at best. Tangible, historical proof evidences that at the very best - with a run as good as the one we had last Autumn included - we can expect to be finishing just outside the relegation zone under his management. This is using his own statistical analysis of achievement and progression. Just to add to that - with Ian Sharps stood at his side, we averaged just over 1.5 points per game. Since Sharps departed, we have averaged 0.9 points per game. People can argue the impact of Sharps etc, and other factors, but those are the statistics - again using JM's approach. |
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Post by btb on Aug 21, 2017 11:50:18 GMT
Agreed that the football league was a pipe dream but there's no harm in ambition and at least trying to achieve the dream. Better to try and fail than to not try at all. And at the moment we have a manager who has admitted his ambition is fifth from bottom. Also agreed that with the managers lack of ambition a return to the regional league is looking likely. That said tho, would it be the end of the world? It's a much more competitive league than when we left and it has several decent clubs in it. More local games to go to. Cheaper football and cheaper players. We probably came up through the leagues to quickly. If, and I realise it's a big if, we can keep the hardcore support lessons may have been learnt and we could get some more money in the rainy day fund. JMc's ambition isn't to finish fifth from bottom. That's something that has mistakenly been consistently misquoted on here. The MINIMUM aim is to finish fifth from bottom. He went through how if we could accumulate more points where we could finish. 1.1 points keeps you up. 1.4 gets you into the top half. 1.6 might get you into the play offs etc. I maybe slightly out on the actual point totals but that was the gist of his talk at the CFU. Well for a man who has been mistakingly quoted as you say, he seemed very pleased with himself for last season's finishing position. Didn't he tell us it was a massive achievement for the football club. The thing is Jon chats that much shit I think he forgets himself what he says half the time. |
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Post by Si on Aug 21, 2017 12:36:52 GMT
JMc's ambition isn't to finish fifth from bottom. That's something that has mistakenly been consistently misquoted on here. The MINIMUM aim is to finish fifth from bottom. He went through how if we could accumulate more points where we could finish. 1.1 points keeps you up. 1.4 gets you into the top half. 1.6 might get you into the play offs etc. I maybe slightly out on the actual point totals but that was the gist of his talk at the CFU. Well for a man who has been mistakingly quoted as you say, he seemed very pleased with himself for last season's finishing position. Didn't he tell us it was a massive achievement for the football club. The thing is Jon chats that much shit I think he forgets himself what he says half the time. Unfortunately for him he does quite often contradict himself, sometimes even within the same interview. If he is going to be sticking about then I'd suggest the club fund some sort of media training for him. Most other managers are able to respond constructively to challenging questions and are able to protect their team without seeming blind to the failings. I know at higher levels its a regular thing that the club's press officer will cherry pick a player for the pre match interviews and prepare the manager and player for the sort of questions they can expect to be asked. Now I know its not the same in the lower levels but I dare say he could learn a lot from spending a bit of time shadowing this process at a higher club to see how he can better prepare for his interviews. Not only are the performances on the pitch disappointing, but a major source of frustration/embarrassment for fans is the way he conducts himself in the media, so without sounding patronising I think he could really benefit from doing something like that. |
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Post by Harry Lime on Aug 21, 2017 19:28:09 GMT
Well for a man who has been mistakingly quoted as you say, he seemed very pleased with himself for last season's finishing position. Didn't he tell us it was a massive achievement for the football club. The thing is Jon chats that much shit I think he forgets himself what he says half the time. Unfortunately for him he does quite often contradict himself, sometimes even within the same interview. If he is going to be sticking about then I'd suggest the club fund some sort of media training for him. Most other managers are able to respond constructively to challenging questions and are able to protect their team without seeming blind to the failings. I know at higher levels its a regular thing that the club's press officer will cherry pick a player for the pre match interviews and prepare the manager and player for the sort of questions they can expect to be asked. Now I know its not the same in the lower levels but I dare say he could learn a lot from spending a bit of time shadowing this process at a higher club to see how he can better prepare for his interviews. Not only are the performances on the pitch disappointing, but a major source of frustration/embarrassment for fans is the way he conducts himself in the media, so without sounding patronising I think he could really benefit from doing something like that. It would be beneficial for him. I actually think the first sentence of the answer is usually ok. It's when he keeps talking that he gets himself into trouble. |
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