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Post by Al on Aug 25, 2017 12:56:14 GMT
I think I could probably answer that one on Richard's behalf - No. Why would any Chester fan be happy? But Richard does make a good point in my opinion - whatever he says will be ridiculed by some... He's just said we'll have our best ever season - cue ridicule... He says something perceived as negative - cue ridicule. I think it's a bit of both, no matter what he says some on here will ridicule him, but at the same time he doesn't always help himself. No he really doesn't help himself at all.
He contradicts himself. On the one hand he says the Solihull postponement would give him and the squad extra time to prepare and put more work in for the Fylde game, and then after a couple of poor performances and criticism, he blames the Solihull postponement for disrupting the start of our season...
Sometimes just be honest with supporters. If we get beat admit it's not good enough in terms of performance, admit that we need to go back to the drawing board, or whatever. We can all see it's not working for us at the moment, so when it doesn't work you don't keep doing the same thing over and over again do you!?
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Post by richard on Aug 25, 2017 14:11:33 GMT
I don't think that some of our younger viewers will get that. It wouldn't matter what the guy says, it will always be ridiculed by the multiple posting anti McCarthy brigade. Richard on the defensive again. Got to keep justifying that appointment - right until the bitter end, which isn't far away. Yep, I will defend him against constant ridicule. Whatever you may say Tarvin, that's just not fair. At the end of the day Jon is just a bloke, trying his best to do a job. If he fails, whatever decision is to be made will be taken by our elected board. Whenever people are throwing unfair criticism or abuse do they forget that this is a family man with kids, who gave up a very good job to join us full time when he was appointed to the Community Trust. He did so because he believed in the vision that a supporter owned model could work and he laid some sound foundations for that to come to fruition. As to justifying the appointment, I don't have to. The decision to appoint Jon to football manager had nothing to do with me. I do know one thing though, and that is that the selection criteria document for the role states that while results on the pitch are very important, it is by no means the only measure that will be used to define how successful the manager has been. So as a Community club, we should dare to be different and not be a firing club, within certain limits of course Of course I'm disappointed at the home form, I'm a fan too. My weekend is on a downer when we lose, but I will never revert to personal abuse or call people deluded from an alias whilst hiding behind a keyboard. It's cowardly behaviour and completely unnecessary. I can't see what value it adds, particularly when the same abusive tirades are repeated, perhaps in an effort to forward agendas. Perhaps I'm just a person that believes in supporting people while they are around and furthermore, I firmly believe in positivity, even when things are going badly. I'm not going to allow negativity and mood Hoover's to dominate this board without some counter arguments as far more people read this forum than post on it. So, I wish Jon and the team the very best. |
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Post by CH3STER on Aug 25, 2017 14:20:54 GMT
Richard on the defensive again. Got to keep justifying that appointment - right until the bitter end, which isn't far away. Yep, I will defend him against constant ridicule. Whatever you may say Tarvin, that's just not fair. At the end of the day Jon is just a bloke, trying his best to do a job. If he fails, whatever decision is to be made will be taken by our elected board. Whenever people are throwing unfair criticism or abuse do they forget that this is a family man with kids, who gave up a very good job to join us full time when he was appointed to the Community Trust. He did so because he believed in the vision that a supporter owned model could work and he laid some sound foundations for that to come to fruition. As to justifying the appointment, I don't have to. The decision to appoint Jon to football manager had nothing to do with me. I do know one thing though, and that is that the selection criteria document for the role states that while results on the pitch are very important, it is by no means the only measure that will be used to define how successful the manager has been. So as a Community club, we should dare to be different and not be a firing club, within certain limits of course Of course I'm disappointed at the home form, I'm a fan too. My weekend is on a downer when we lose, but I will never revert to personal abuse or call people deluded from an alias whilst hiding behind a keyboard. It's cowardly behaviour and completely unnecessary. I can't see what value it adds, particularly when the same abusive tirades are repeated, perhaps in an effort to forward agendas. Perhaps I'm just a person that believes in supporting people while they are around and furthermore, I firmly believe in positivity, even when things are going badly. I'm not going to allow negativity and mood Hoover's to dominate this board without some counter arguments as far more people read this forum than post on it. So, I wish Jon and the team the very best. Good post 👏 |
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Post by Al on Aug 25, 2017 14:22:27 GMT
He could be the nicest man in the world Richard, but, if results on the field are not good enough then what can we do? We can't keep him in charge if we're losing every week, people are voting with their feet again, gate has dropped by 600 within a fortnight! No amount of niceties or positivity will change that when those 11 players step out over that line they are not playing to their potential and delivering results, the buck for that stops with the Manager.
In any other job, if I failed to perform in my job for 8 months I would expect to have been on a performance warning, given a performance plan to improve and if I'm still not delivering, managed out of the business.
Doesn't matter what his or my personal circumstances are, or about how nice I may or may not be. The needs of the business come first!
It's about time people stopped defending a manager based on how nice he is. This is a results based business, and he has not delivered results for 8 months!
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Post by sqzl on Aug 25, 2017 14:31:53 GMT
He could be the nicest man in the world Richard, but, if results on the field are not good enough then what can we do? We can't keep him in charge if we're losing every week, people are voting with their feet again, gate has dropped by 600 within a fortnight! No amount of niceties or positivity will change that when those 11 players step out over that line they are not playing to their potential and delivering results, the buck for that stops with the Manager. In any other job, if I failed to perform in my job for 8 months I would expect to have been on a performance warning, given a performance plan to improve and if I'm still not delivering, managed out of the business. Doesn't matter what his or my personal circumstances are, or about how nice I may or may not be. The needs of the business come first! It's about time people stopped defending a manager based on how nice he is. This is a results based business, and he has not delivered results for 8 months! There is what 90% of us are thinking. Nobody dislikes JM as a person, at all. We respect that he does want the best, works hard and on paper he's a brilliant fit for a community club. But football is played on the pitch and the results are leading to losses, in belief, fans and even happiness inside the stadium on a match day. Something needs to change, and fast. |
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Post by richard on Aug 25, 2017 14:34:44 GMT
He could be the nicest man in the world Richard, but, if results on the field are not good enough then what can we do? We can't keep him in charge if we're losing every week, people are voting with their feet again, gate has dropped by 600 within a fortnight! No amount of niceties or positivity will change that when those 11 players step out over that line they are not playing to their potential and delivering results, the buck for that stops with the Manager. In any other job, if I failed to perform in my job for 8 months I would expect to have been on a performance warning, given a performance plan to improve and if I'm still not delivering, managed out of the business. Doesn't matter what his or my personal circumstances are, or about how nice I may or may not be. The needs of the business come first! It's about time people stopped defending a manager based on how nice he is. This is a results based business, and he has not delivered results for 8 months! Don't think I made reference to how nice the lad is. Just saying that negativity never achieved anything that was worth having and we have elected board members who I trust to make decisions for the future of the business. |
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Post by Al on Aug 25, 2017 14:38:10 GMT
He could be the nicest man in the world Richard, but, if results on the field are not good enough then what can we do? We can't keep him in charge if we're losing every week, people are voting with their feet again, gate has dropped by 600 within a fortnight! No amount of niceties or positivity will change that when those 11 players step out over that line they are not playing to their potential and delivering results, the buck for that stops with the Manager. In any other job, if I failed to perform in my job for 8 months I would expect to have been on a performance warning, given a performance plan to improve and if I'm still not delivering, managed out of the business. Doesn't matter what his or my personal circumstances are, or about how nice I may or may not be. The needs of the business come first! It's about time people stopped defending a manager based on how nice he is. This is a results based business, and he has not delivered results for 8 months! Don't think I made reference to how nice the lad is. Just saying that negativity never achieved anything that was worth having and we have elected board members who I trust to make decisions for the future of the business. No you haven't made reference to it here but we both know he's a likeable man who is passionate about the game, and could chew the ear off a wasp if given the opportunity.
Doesn't hide from the fact he's not delivered results on the field for the past 8 months though.
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Post by billyw on Aug 25, 2017 15:40:46 GMT
McCarthy stop giving interviews, your verbal diarrhoea just make yourself look more and more deluded every time you speak. 'There are a lot of teams in this league who have lost more games than us' - yes there are but we haven't won a game yet and are in a relegation spot, you clown. If is more and more obvious that his plan is not to lose games rather than win them and there is only one outcome with that policy - relegation.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Aug 25, 2017 15:44:27 GMT
I just got round to reading the article in the original post.
Has anyone managed to decipher it yet?
It's has to be the biggest load of mumbo jumbo I've ever read in my life. Can't work out if it's been poorly written or if JM said all of those things in that order.
2 sackings please, the person who said it and the person who wrote it.
Jesus
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Post by Si on Aug 25, 2017 16:37:22 GMT
The club really need to take him out of the firing line and give Tom Shaw a chance to hone his media skills. It's hard to see a guy who is struggling with the pressure of poor results and pressure from the fans, and he is constantly contradicting himself and coming out with stuff that's quite hard to make sense of. Put him on a media handling course and let Tom Shaw have a go for a couple of games. I don't doubt his passion and work ethic but it's like he has so much stuff going on in his head he struggles to give a straightforward answer and goes off on a strange tangent.
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 25, 2017 16:54:11 GMT
Richard on the defensive again. Got to keep justifying that appointment - right until the bitter end, which isn't far away. Yep, I will defend him against constant ridicule. Whatever you may say Tarvin, that's just not fair. At the end of the day Jon is just a bloke, trying his best to do a job. If he fails, whatever decision is to be made will be taken by our elected board. Whenever people are throwing unfair criticism or abuse do they forget that this is a family man with kids, who gave up a very good job to join us full time when he was appointed to the Community Trust. He did so because he believed in the vision that a supporter owned model could work and he laid some sound foundations for that to come to fruition. As to justifying the appointment, I don't have to. The decision to appoint Jon to football manager had nothing to do with me. I do know one thing though, and that is that the selection criteria document for the role states that while results on the pitch are very important, it is by no means the only measure that will be used to define how successful the manager has been. So as a Community club, we should dare to be different and not be a firing club, within certain limits of course Of course I'm disappointed at the home form, I'm a fan too. My weekend is on a downer when we lose, but I will never revert to personal abuse or call people deluded from an alias whilst hiding behind a keyboard. It's cowardly behaviour and completely unnecessary. I can't see what value it adds, particularly when the same abusive tirades are repeated, perhaps in an effort to forward agendas. Perhaps I'm just a person that believes in supporting people while they are around and furthermore, I firmly believe in positivity, even when things are going badly. I'm not going to allow negativity and mood Hoover's to dominate this board without some counter arguments as far more people read this forum than post on it. So, I wish Jon and the team the very best. Richard, he's a football manager, not a fairy. If he can't take criticism then he's very much in the wrong profession! From his behaviour at matches, it is quite clear that he cannot take criticism and cannot even take responsibility for his own performance. It's quite frankly embarrassing at times and stems from a complete lack of responsibility being taken and honesty being shown. Is he being harshly treated? Do you think that 'poor Jon' would be treated any differently at any other football club? His record is abysmal and he has been given greater chance here than he would have been at any other football club to turn it around. You could say that makes us unique, I would just say that is the reason the negativity has lasted as long as it has. It is quite clear that by knowing the man on a personal level it massively affects your ability to step back and see a reality that those of us, without connection, that pay to watch each week see. To suggest that results aren't the be all and end all is absurd. Fundamentally he is a football manager and lives and dies by those results. Yes, the community side is important as well, of course it is, but we can't have someone parading as a football manager, averaging less than a point a game, keeping a job because he makes public appearances and says nice things to people. Surely the crowds of 1500 already tell you all you need to know about that argument? At the end of the day, we are treading water under him. Whether he is a nice bloke or not, he is failing in the duty that he is paid handsomely to do - win football matches. It is high time he was removed of that duty and someone was brought in to rectify the on-field issues, which should be the absolutely priority of our club first and foremost. Yes, they need to embrace the community side as well, but I would rather see our manager delivering 3 points on a Saturday than kicking a football around with a bunch of supporters on a Tuesday night. I would assume that most people would feel the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 16:54:27 GMT
much as i love the club and i'll support them throughout the good and bad times however i really hope we get mauled over the next few matches and the knife is truly well in his back his interviews are like sunday league write up reports
i've stood by you for long enough now jon but do the right thing and quit before it gets us to a laughing stock
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 25, 2017 17:16:17 GMT
much as i love the club and i'll support them throughout the good and bad times however i really hope we get mauled over the next few matches and the knife is truly well in his back his interviews are like sunday league write up reports i've stood by you for long enough now jon but do the right thing and quit before it gets us to a laughing stock You hope we get mauled?  ?? You just totally contradicted yourself!! Love the club you say............... |
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Post by CH3STER on Aug 25, 2017 17:28:52 GMT
much as i love the club and i'll support them throughout the good and bad times however i really hope we get mauled over the next few matches and the knife is truly well in his back his interviews are like sunday league write up reports i've stood by you for long enough now jon but do the right thing and quit before it gets us to a laughing stock Great supporter 👏 |
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Post by richard on Aug 25, 2017 17:52:40 GMT
Yep, I will defend him against constant ridicule. Whatever you may say Tarvin, that's just not fair. At the end of the day Jon is just a bloke, trying his best to do a job. If he fails, whatever decision is to be made will be taken by our elected board. Whenever people are throwing unfair criticism or abuse do they forget that this is a family man with kids, who gave up a very good job to join us full time when he was appointed to the Community Trust. He did so because he believed in the vision that a supporter owned model could work and he laid some sound foundations for that to come to fruition. As to justifying the appointment, I don't have to. The decision to appoint Jon to football manager had nothing to do with me. I do know one thing though, and that is that the selection criteria document for the role states that while results on the pitch are very important, it is by no means the only measure that will be used to define how successful the manager has been. So as a Community club, we should dare to be different and not be a firing club, within certain limits of course Of course I'm disappointed at the home form, I'm a fan too. My weekend is on a downer when we lose, but I will never revert to personal abuse or call people deluded from an alias whilst hiding behind a keyboard. It's cowardly behaviour and completely unnecessary. I can't see what value it adds, particularly when the same abusive tirades are repeated, perhaps in an effort to forward agendas. Perhaps I'm just a person that believes in supporting people while they are around and furthermore, I firmly believe in positivity, even when things are going badly. I'm not going to allow negativity and mood Hoover's to dominate this board without some counter arguments as far more people read this forum than post on it. So, I wish Jon and the team the very best. Richard, he's a football manager, not a fairy. If he can't take criticism then he's very much in the wrong profession! From his behaviour at matches, it is quite clear that he cannot take criticism and cannot even take responsibility for his own performance. It's quite frankly embarrassing at times and stems from a complete lack of responsibility being taken and honesty being shown. Is he being harshly treated? Do you think that 'poor Jon' would be treated any differently at any other football club? His record is abysmal and he has been given greater chance here than he would have been at any other football club to turn it around. You could say that makes us unique, I would just say that is the reason the negativity has lasted as long as it has. It is quite clear that by knowing the man on a personal level it massively affects your ability to step back and see a reality that those of us, without connection, that pay to watch each week see. To suggest that results aren't the be all and end all is absurd. Fundamentally he is a football manager and lives and dies by those results. Yes, the community side is important as well, of course it is, but we can't have someone parading as a football manager, averaging less than a point a game, keeping a job because he makes public appearances and says nice things to people. Surely the crowds of 1500 already tell you all you need to know about that argument? At the end of the day, we are treading water under him. Whether he is a nice bloke or not, he is failing in the duty that he is paid handsomely to do - win football matches. It is high time he was removed of that duty and someone was brought in to rectify the on-field issues, which should be the absolutely priority of our club first and foremost. Yes, they need to embrace the community side as well, but I would rather see our manager delivering 3 points on a Saturday than kicking a football around with a bunch of supporters on a Tuesday night. I would assume that most people would feel the same. Tarvin, I don't have a personal relationship with Jon. I have not met him since last season. Common decency is what I'm talking about. |
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Post by rcb on Aug 25, 2017 17:59:41 GMT
much as i love the club and i'll support them throughout the good and bad times however i really hope we get mauled over the next few matches and the knife is truly well in his back his interviews are like sunday league write up reports i've stood by you for long enough now jon but do the right thing and quit before it gets us to a laughing stock You hope we get mauled? ?? You just totally contradicted yourself!! Love the club you say............... No contradiction there. It's called a short term loss for the longer term gain. I love the club too, and the quicker McCarthy goes the better in my opinion. Lose the next two, get rid and then prosper is far better than dribbling along on scraps until it's too late to avoid relegation. Surely people are allowed to express their feelings without a barrage of excessive question marks, exclamation marks, or such like. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 25, 2017 18:04:58 GMT
Richard, he's a football manager, not a fairy. If he can't take criticism then he's very much in the wrong profession! From his behaviour at matches, it is quite clear that he cannot take criticism and cannot even take responsibility for his own performance. It's quite frankly embarrassing at times and stems from a complete lack of responsibility being taken and honesty being shown. Is he being harshly treated? Do you think that 'poor Jon' would be treated any differently at any other football club? His record is abysmal and he has been given greater chance here than he would have been at any other football club to turn it around. You could say that makes us unique, I would just say that is the reason the negativity has lasted as long as it has. It is quite clear that by knowing the man on a personal level it massively affects your ability to step back and see a reality that those of us, without connection, that pay to watch each week see. To suggest that results aren't the be all and end all is absurd. Fundamentally he is a football manager and lives and dies by those results. Yes, the community side is important as well, of course it is, but we can't have someone parading as a football manager, averaging less than a point a game, keeping a job because he makes public appearances and says nice things to people. Surely the crowds of 1500 already tell you all you need to know about that argument? At the end of the day, we are treading water under him. Whether he is a nice bloke or not, he is failing in the duty that he is paid handsomely to do - win football matches. It is high time he was removed of that duty and someone was brought in to rectify the on-field issues, which should be the absolutely priority of our club first and foremost. Yes, they need to embrace the community side as well, but I would rather see our manager delivering 3 points on a Saturday than kicking a football around with a bunch of supporters on a Tuesday night. I would assume that most people would feel the same. Tarvin, I don't have a personal relationship with Jon. I have not met him since last season. Common decency is what I'm talking about. So, your issue is that some fans name call him? This is all part of the territory, Richard. When he took the decision to become our manager, I would have hoped he would have considered the territory he was entering. It's hardly unique to Chester Football Club and I would suggest is nothing like the treatment he would have received at many other football clubs, having embarked on the run he has. The fact he's allegedly a decent bloke, with a family, who left his previous job to become our manager, should not be held in anyway to justify his continued employment. You have been asked a number of times to justify the reasoning behind your unwavering support and the best we have had is he's a nice, family bloke who does some decent community work - plus a bit about how this season will be better. There is simply no evidence for the latter so, beyond the fact you played 'some' role in his original recruitment, it's hard to see where your viewpoint is based. To suggest any of us have an agenda, beyond seeing the team climb the table and win games of football, is simply baffling. When he does eventually get the push, he will do so not because of nasty people calling him deluded, but because he has failed to win enough games of football to retain his employment. He has been in complete control of that and in complete control of the relationship he has chosen to take with many fans, through his negativity towards them. No one would be on his back if he was delivering the reasonable expectation that many of us have of him. |
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Post by EddieBishopsquiff on Aug 25, 2017 18:10:03 GMT
I think I could probably answer that one on Richard's behalf - No. Why would any Chester fan be happy? But Richard does make a good point in my opinion - whatever he says will be ridiculed by some... He's just said we'll have our best ever season - cue ridicule... He says something perceived as negative - cue ridicule. People just want honesty and realism. I'd be happy to read his positive assumptions if he came out at times and was honest about performances etc, when they quite clearly haven't been good enough. I would also like to read him take some responsibility sometimes, rather than blame external circumstances - even blaming the fans in recent times. His constant contradictory messages do nothing other than present him in a poor light, re-enforcing the fact he doesn't sound like he knows what he's doing and makes it up as he goes along. I want to believe it will be the best season ever (quite frankly it should be the best season ever with the squad he has) but nothing has yet been evidenced tangibly to suggest anything to back that up. Performances have been on par, if not worse, than last season and we have started, results-wise, in exactly the same way the last season ended. I judge him based on results and performances, not on his deluded positivity. There will come a point when the board will have to do exactly the same. This ^^ |
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Post by billyw on Aug 25, 2017 18:30:58 GMT
Richard on the defensive again. Got to keep justifying that appointment - right until the bitter end, which isn't far away. Yep, I will defend him against constant ridicule. Whatever you may say Tarvin, that's just not fair. At the end of the day Jon is just a bloke, trying his best to do a job. If he fails, whatever decision is to be made will be taken by our elected board. Whenever people are throwing unfair criticism or abuse do they forget that this is a family man with kids, who gave up a very good job to join us full time when he was appointed to the Community Trust. He did so because he believed in the vision that a supporter owned model could work and he laid some sound foundations for that to come to fruition. As to justifying the appointment, I don't have to. The decision to appoint Jon to football manager had nothing to do with me. I do know one thing though, and that is that the selection criteria document for the role states that while results on the pitch are very important, it is by no means the only measure that will be used to define how successful the manager has been. So as a Community club, we should dare to be different and not be a firing club, within certain limits of course Of course I'm disappointed at the home form, I'm a fan too. My weekend is on a downer when we lose, but I will never revert to personal abuse or call people deluded from an alias whilst hiding behind a keyboard. It's cowardly behaviour and completely unnecessary. I can't see what value it adds, particularly when the same abusive tirades are repeated, perhaps in an effort to forward agendas. Perhaps I'm just a person that believes in supporting people while they are around and furthermore, I firmly believe in positivity, even when things are going badly. I'm not going to allow negativity and mood Hoover's to dominate this board without some counter arguments as far more people read this forum than post on it. So, I wish Jon and the team the very best. How on earth can you say that results on the pitch are not the only measure to define the success of a manager - of course they are. Without success on the pitch everything else falls apart. I get the impression that you would be quite happy to see us back in the Evostick with good old Jon doing sterling work in the community. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 19:17:07 GMT
everyone has there own opinions and i've said mine sorry but honestly i do not see where our next win is coming from
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Post by Paul Da Part on Aug 25, 2017 19:34:20 GMT
The man is on cloud nine. I'll agree with him when he says that he's assembled the best team since reformation, but that's on paper and that's as far as it goes as he has not got a Scooby how to manage these players and utilise them. We might pick up some points this weekend, but it's only going to be papering over the cracks. The sooner he's gone, the better.
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Post by billyw on Aug 25, 2017 20:02:16 GMT
The man is on cloud nine. I'll agree with him when he says that he's assembled the best team since reformation, but that's on paper and that's as far as it goes as he has not got a Scooby how to manage these players and utilise them. We might pick up some points this weekend, but it's only going to be papering over the cracks. The sooner he's gone, the better. McCarthy is shooting himself in the foot when he says we have the best team since reformation (and I agree with him) when the 'best team' is in a relegation spot and dont look like winning a game. By implication, this has to be attributable to HIS incompetence as a manager. |
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Post by whopper1 on Aug 25, 2017 20:07:49 GMT
The bloke's a first class tool
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Post by bitbbh on Aug 25, 2017 20:14:32 GMT
Its a result driven industry attatched to the entertainment sector. We have had neither for a long time.
The Manager is paid to get results and pick an entertaining team. He hasnt done either for a long time.
The Manager signed a binding contract which we contractually have to honour so it is irrelevant if he gave up another job or if he is a nice man or he understands the community ethos of our club.
If you cant deliver progress and you are in a spiral of decline something has to change and for any Football Manager at any club the number one priority is getting results.
If you fail then there will only be one result in the end.
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Post by Paul Da Part on Aug 25, 2017 20:37:37 GMT
The man is on cloud nine. I'll agree with him when he says that he's assembled the best team since reformation, but that's on paper and that's as far as it goes as he has not got a Scooby how to manage these players and utilise them. We might pick up some points this weekend, but it's only going to be papering over the cracks. The sooner he's gone, the better. McCarthy is shooting himself in the foot when he says we have the best team since reformation (and I agree with him) when the 'best team' is in a relegation spot and dont look like winning a game. By implication, this has to be attributable to HIS incompetence as a manager. My point exactly. You just worded that a lot better than me! He does love to contradict himself an awful lot though. He's embarrassing himself when it comes to these interviews. He's trying his hardest to justify his position as manager and you only try to justify anything when you are under the cosh. We all know that he's lost the support of the fans, and deep down he must know that too, yet he's too stubborn to admit it and therefore has to come out with all of this tripe. You could call him deluded. Only Jon McCarthy thinks he is doing a good job. |
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Post by trev on Aug 25, 2017 23:24:43 GMT
Yep, I will defend him against constant ridicule. Whatever you may say Tarvin, that's just not fair. At the end of the day Jon is just a bloke, trying his best to do a job. If he fails, whatever decision is to be made will be taken by our elected board. Whenever people are throwing unfair criticism or abuse do they forget that this is a family man with kids, who gave up a very good job to join us full time when he was appointed to the Community Trust. He did so because he believed in the vision that a supporter owned model could work and he laid some sound foundations for that to come to fruition. As to justifying the appointment, I don't have to. The decision to appoint Jon to football manager had nothing to do with me. I do know one thing though, and that is that the selection criteria document for the role states that while results on the pitch are very important, it is by no means the only measure that will be used to define how successful the manager has been. So as a Community club, we should dare to be different and not be a firing club, within certain limits of course
Of course I'm disappointed at the home form, I'm a fan too. My weekend is on a downer when we lose, but I will never revert to personal abuse or call people deluded from an alias whilst hiding behind a keyboard. It's cowardly behaviour and completely unnecessary. I can't see what value it adds, particularly when the same abusive tirades are repeated, perhaps in an effort to forward agendas. Perhaps I'm just a person that believes in supporting people while they are around and furthermore, I firmly believe in positivity, even when things are going badly. I'm not going to allow negativity and mood Hoover's to dominate this board without some counter arguments as far more people read this forum than post on it. So, I wish Jon and the team the very best. How on earth can you say that results on the pitch are not the only measure to define the success of a manager - of course they are. Without success on the pitch everything else falls apart. I get the impression that you would be quite happy to see us back in the Evostick with good old Jon doing sterling work in the community.
I find the current situation increasingly surreal. The ethos of the club is great and the work in the community is vital. However, we are talking about the first team manager, of which his principal measure of success must be results and performances on the pitch, because this directly affects the club commercially which may in turn inhibit community work/initiatives. So perhaps the selection criteria for first team manager needs to be more realistic and focused on the first team, with work in the community taken up by someone else. Its fine believing in the supporter model and its laudable that we behave in much better way than most other Clubs, but at the moment the loyalty given to Mr McCarthy is seriously misplaced, given that Board have stood by him for months of abysmal results and performances. I actually feel quite sorry him, he appears out of his depth and struggling. It must be clear to him that many have lost all confidence in his managerial ability for him turn things around, and the increasing pressure is all to evident given his feeble attempts to positively spin the current position in the media, contrary to all the evidence. So, the questions I have for Richard are what are the "certain limits" he refers to? , and how much damage to the club will be tolerated for the sake of “daring to be different”?
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 26, 2017 8:11:07 GMT
You hope we get mauled? ?? You just totally contradicted yourself!! Love the club you say............... No contradiction there. It's called a short term loss for the longer term gain. I love the club too, and the quicker McCarthy goes the better in my opinion. Lose the next two, get rid and then prosper is far better than dribbling along on scraps until it's too late to avoid relegation. Surely people are allowed to express their feelings without a barrage of excessive question marks, exclamation marks, or such like. I've no problem with people expressing an opinion, but when they say I hope we get mauled? That's meant to be acceptable? |
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Post by rcb on Aug 26, 2017 9:54:03 GMT
No contradiction there. It's called a short term loss for the longer term gain. I love the club too, and the quicker McCarthy goes the better in my opinion. Lose the next two, get rid and then prosper is far better than dribbling along on scraps until it's too late to avoid relegation. Surely people are allowed to express their feelings without a barrage of excessive question marks, exclamation marks, or such like. I've no problem with people expressing an opinion, but when they say I hope we get mauled? That's meant to be acceptable? Clearly it's acceptable to him. That's why he said it. The one thing we all share in common is the longer term health of the club. Short term, there is a diversity of opinion in regard to what would best achieve it. Time will tell. Desperation can lead to extremism. In my case, I want to get rid of McCarthy a.s.a.p. in order to avoid what I perceive as inevitable relegation under his continued custody. Others clearly have more faith in him than I do. |
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Post by trublu on Aug 26, 2017 11:51:01 GMT
The real issue is that we can all get behind him before the game, and during the game. We can take his point that a point would be a reasonable result away from home against this opposition, and we can accept that maybe he's on course to hit his target points after 10 games.
But when the hardy souls who make the long trip today report back that we were defending on our 6 yard box and hoofing it straight back to them at every opportunity, and then whatever number turn up for the Macc game are further put off by awful football at home, he's going to be bang in trouble again.
He's very adept at diverting the focus in the interim between games, but the reasons the crowds are some of the worst ive know during 20 years folowing the blues aren't due to results, its not the players' fault. Its the manager.
Hes been a great servant for a good few years, seems to put in the work both as manager and engaging with the community, but he's absolutely lost it tactically and its time for him to go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 12:34:34 GMT
I have a grudging respect for JM continually offering himself for interview when deep down I'm pretty sure he knows the comments that will invariably follow especially in the current climate.
However for his own sake, and everyone else's, I think he should take a break from media duties (Shaw is the obvious stand-in) because his waffling and incoherence is only exacerbating an already volatile situation.
Indeed, thinking about it, I do wonder if the tone of his interviews may also be having a negative effect on the players themselves, after all, I'm sure some of them read the papers or, more likely, utilise social media (or have friends who pass on what they've read). In my humble opinion, it all contributes to the general air of despondency surrounding the Club at the moment, something we desperately need to eradicate quickly
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?? You just totally contradicted yourself!! Love the club you say...............
