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Post by adrianh on Apr 3, 2018 8:39:43 GMT
How do we know this if we don't even know what the argument is about? I'm feeling completely in the dark about what the issues are in all this and it's incumbent on SO and MH (who both seem to be serial resigners)to say exactly what the differences are. Until then, how are we expected to know who to support ? See previous post above.
You're welcome.
"All part of a power grab move. Someone within the club wants CH out and FWG brought into the Ops board. Board reject the proposal. Someone resigns over it.
Another person resigns over the treatment of CH".
I don't give a shit now, too many people treating this football club like a piece in a game of chess. Too much backstabbing too many people with agendas of their own trying to outdo one another.
This is not what I signed up for at the Guildhall. We all expected and wanted something better, where supporters worked together to create a fully inclusive football club for their community.
What have we got instead? A board at odds with each other, and more resignations.
When we look back in a few years time and ask where or why it went wrong for us, remember tonight. Tonight was pivotal in the downfall of this supporter owned football club.
[ Two slightly different issues. Id also heard SO was not happy with football working group and determined to get his own way. Mark frustrated with the treatment Calvin was getting as football group lead.
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Post by devadiva on Apr 3, 2018 8:39:47 GMT
Is it too much to ask for a statement by the Club to be issued in relation to the Chronicle article this morning? We should be getting informed by the Club as to what is happening, not having to rely on the local paper. After all, some of us own this club.
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Post by adrianh on Apr 3, 2018 8:41:14 GMT
How do we know this if we don't even know what the argument is about? I'm feeling completely in the dark about what the issues are in all this and it's incumbent on SO and MH (who both seem to be serial resigners)to say exactly what the differences are. Until then, how are we expected to know who to support ? See previous post above.
You're welcome.
"All part of a power grab move. Someone within the club wants CH out and FWG brought into the Ops board. Board reject the proposal. Someone resigns over it.
Another person resigns over the treatment of CH".
I don't give a shit now, too many people treating this football club like a piece in a game of chess. Too much backstabbing too many people with agendas of their own trying to outdo one another.
This is not what I signed up for at the Guildhall. We all expected and wanted something better, where supporters worked together to create a fully inclusive football club for their community.
What have we got instead? A board at odds with each other, and more resignations.
When we look back in a few years time and ask where or why it went wrong for us, remember tonight. Tonight was pivotal in the downfall of this supporter owned football club.
[ Two slightly different issues. Id also heard SO was not happy with football working group and determined to get his own way. Mark frustrated with the treatment Calvin was getting as football group lead.
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Post by dmcnally on Apr 3, 2018 8:41:48 GMT
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Post by eltonblues on Apr 3, 2018 8:41:51 GMT
Is it too much to ask for a statement by the Club to be issued in relation to the Chronicle article this morning? We should be getting informed by the Club as to what is happening, not having to rely on the local paper. After all, some of us own this club. Banksy tweeted this morning to say a statement will come out, remember these guys have families and jobs to do!
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Post by oldboneze on Apr 3, 2018 8:46:24 GMT
I haven't got a clue what's going on. I don't do social media. I read the OWS, CFU website, Chronicle and Standard websites and Deva Chat 1 and 2. From all of these, there are very few facts. Only that Simon Olorenshaw and Mark Howell have resigned from the Board with immediate effect. Simon is quoted as stating he decided to step down as his views differ from the majority of the current board. Mark is quoted as tweeting that he has resigned because of the personal attacks on Cal Hughes.
Beyond this, we have rumour and speculation which may, or may not, have some validity. I hope that Simon will clarify publically the issues on which he differs from the other board members. Is it fan ownership v. private ownership? Part time v. full time, next season? Working groups v. Ops Board structure? Or something else? We don't need details, just the issues and Simon's view on them. We can then have an informed debate rather than the Chinese whispers we have now.
I have sympathy with Mark's position. Usually, personal abuse is the last refuge of the man who has lost the argument. In this case, it appears to be the first instinct of many people. Sorry to see Mark go because of this.
The quicker we get some substantiated facts, the better.
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Post by gezzer on Apr 3, 2018 8:47:35 GMT
Posted this on another thread: Why the finger pointing and blaming of Croasdale? Turns out he was right all along. He also tweeted: Chester fans, please start asking questions of where your board would like the club to go
Mark Howell @blacon_blue · Mar 31 Back to the Football League eventually.
Mark Howell @blacon_blue · Mar 31 @banks247 Simon O what about you two
Jeff replied (too long to post sorry) SO did not. Thought it odd to call out these 2 so publicly. Is this the split between the "White Knights"
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Post by The Swansway on Apr 3, 2018 8:50:18 GMT
Absolutely. We've told him about this before but he's at it again. This is exa tly the kind of post that we don't need at this point. Exsctly the post you don’t need? Haha sound, prefer to be kept in the dark then? This isn’t a rumour or my guess at what’s happened, it’s what I’ve been told by our departing chairman. * SIGH * Do we really have to go through this with you again?
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Post by dmcnally on Apr 3, 2018 8:54:20 GMT
Exsctly the post you don’t need? Haha sound, prefer to be kept in the dark then? This isn’t a rumour or my guess at what’s happened, it’s what I’ve been told by our departing chairman. * SIGH * Do we really have to go through this with you again? People want information, I tell you what I’ve been told. You want transparency, I do what I can. Do you prefer to know what the departing chairman thinks, or prefer to continue hearing nothing.
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Post by superman on Apr 3, 2018 8:57:50 GMT
I haven't got a clue what's going on. I don't do social media. I read the OWS, CFU website, Chronicle and Standard websites and Deva Chat 1 and 2. From all of these, there are very few facts. Only that Simon Olorenshaw and Mark Howell have resigned from the Board with immediate effect. Simon is quoted as stating he decided to step down as his views differ from the majority of the current board. Mark is quoted as tweeting that he has resigned because of the personal attacks on Cal Hughes. Beyond this, we have rumour and speculation which may, or may not, have some validity. I hope that Simon will clarify publically the issues on which he differs from the other board members. Is it fan ownership v. private ownership? Part time v. full time, next season? Working groups v. Ops Board structure? Or something else? We don't need details, just the issues and Simon's view on them. We can then have an informed debate rather than the Chinese whispers we have now. I have sympathy with Mark's position. Usually, personal abuse is the last refuge of the man who has lost the argument. In this case, it appears to be the first instinct of many people. Sorry to see Mark go because of this. The quicker we get some substantiated facts, the better. Thanks for writing this, my thoughts are exactly the same. The thought have having an EGM to just kick everyone out without an understanding of what the issues really are is just plain lunacy.
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Post by adrianh on Apr 3, 2018 8:59:56 GMT
How do we know this if we don't even know what the argument is about? I'm feeling completely in the dark about what the issues are in all this and it's incumbent on SO and MH (who both seem to be serial resigners)to say exactly what the differences are. Until then, how are we expected to know who to support ? See previous post above.
You're welcome.
"All part of a power grab move. Someone within the club wants CH out and FWG brought into the Ops board. Board reject the proposal. Someone resigns over it.
Another person resigns over the treatment of CH".
I don't give a shit now, too many people treating this football club like a piece in a game of chess. Too much backstabbing too many people with agendas of their own trying to outdo one another.
This is not what I signed up for at the Guildhall. We all expected and wanted something better, where supporters worked together to create a fully inclusive football club for their community.
What have we got instead? A board at odds with each other, and more resignations.
When we look back in a few years time and ask where or why it went wrong for us, remember tonight. Tonight was pivotal in the downfall of this supporter owned football club.
[ Two slightly different issues. Id also heard SO was not happy with football working group and determined to get his own way. Mark frustrated with the treatment Calvin was getting as football group lead.
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Post by gone4eva on Apr 3, 2018 9:00:06 GMT
People can be re-elected at an EGM as well, to give them a fresh mandate.
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Post by Matt on Apr 3, 2018 9:02:11 GMT
I don't understand this "Bid" for the Club nonsense. As long as we accepted it we would probably be bought for £1.. We're worthless!!
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Post by inthestand on Apr 3, 2018 9:05:37 GMT
im all for fan ownership....but...we the fans are always kept in the dark...and asked to fork out money for the club every time there is a short fall,even when we know the directors are so inept at their jobs, and we do it cos we love the club....not only are the people running the club so bad...they wont even tell us "THE OWNERS" what the hell's going on!!...even NY must see what whats mess we are in enough to jump ship too...but says nothing...we are on a very rapid river heading to a very deep waterfall with no crew...forget the northern league...we wont be in it..or in fact any other league...
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Post by The Swansway on Apr 3, 2018 9:05:52 GMT
* SIGH * Do we really have to go through this with you again? People want information, I tell you what I’ve been told. You want transparency, I do what I can. Do you prefer to know what the departing chairman thinks, or prefer to continue hearing nothing. Just say it as it is without leaving out the source of your information, this is the problem, or its just more gossip (and makes you look silly).
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Post by Matt on Apr 3, 2018 9:06:14 GMT
Contracts have been offered without board approval. Football working group is causing havoc it seems, and the lead of that group is Calvin Hughes. Make of that what you will. Who else is apart of this group?
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Post by devadiva on Apr 3, 2018 9:10:30 GMT
As an owner I want to know what’s going on and know what is going to be done to sort it. If the Bord isn’t carrying the members with it then the Board needs to be changed. The priority is the club and the current situation means we won’t attract a decent manager or players for next season unless we have a stable foundation on which to build. This has all the hallmarks of condemning us to do an Altrincham/north Ferriby.
If there is a fundamental issue that needs resolving - the Board should put it to a members vote....or alternatively the members should take the initiative and call an EGM. When is the next scheduled CFU meeting?
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 3, 2018 9:25:45 GMT
Another small gripe I have is that each time a poster on here would call for a proper look at exactly who was accountable, there would be the odd few who kept saying things like "now isnt time" etc.
I think that was damaging. We were already down by the end of January and the sooner we rooted out those damaging our club the better. Delaying it was weak and served no purpose.
There is no time like the present. There is no justification anymore for putting this off - lets identify and remove these bad influences now.
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Post by marner93 on Apr 3, 2018 9:28:14 GMT
Sorry I thought Danny was the club Press Officer. How is it that he gets to know things before everyone else. There must be leaks from a board member or someone else at the club. *Former board member
Seems the same person who has spoken to Danny is also the same person who tried setting up Calvin Hughes by getting Charlie Croasdale to attack him on Twitter.
Like I've said, it was all part of a power grab move which failed last night, hence the resignation of our now former Chairman.
NWAS resigned over the treatment of CH and board reluctance to publicly back him.
Danny McNally, care to share with the rest of the forum (and supporters) who fed you this info, or do I have to copy and paste your PM on here?
Just fucking post it, you're as bad as him, with I know something you don't know. Why run dmcnally is seen as some sort of mouthpiece I don't know. Same as it was with Vaughan, some supporters knowing and giving out crap hints while the rest will never know. The whole board should of been given a vote of no confidence, rip it down start again.
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 3, 2018 9:28:23 GMT
As an owner I want to know what’s going on and know what is going to be done to sort it. If the Bord isn’t carrying the members with it then the Board needs to be changed. The priority is the club and the current situation means we won’t attract a decent manager or players for next season unless we have a stable foundation on which to build. This has all the hallmarks of condemning us to do an Altrincham/north Ferriby. If there is a fundamental issue that needs resolving - the Board should put it to a members vote....or alternatively the members should take the initiative and call an EGM. When is the next scheduled CFU meeting? 18th April at St Theresa's according to the CFU site. I've just emailed them to say it should now be this week, or early next at latest. Email the club and say the same. We don't need an EGM just a Formal Meeting. The truth and both sides of it need to come out. From the remaining Board, Working Groups and those who've just resigned.
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Post by Jack on Apr 3, 2018 9:29:24 GMT
I automatically assumed, due to the timing of their resignations, that MH and SO were fighting the same battle and singing from the same hymn sheet.
Is that correct? Or are they part of the division within the club?
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Post by Al on Apr 3, 2018 9:30:07 GMT
*Former board member
Seems the same person who has spoken to Danny is also the same person who tried setting up Calvin Hughes by getting Charlie Croasdale to attack him on Twitter.
Like I've said, it was all part of a power grab move which failed last night, hence the resignation of our now former Chairman.
NWAS resigned over the treatment of CH and board reluctance to publicly back him.
Danny McNally, care to share with the rest of the forum (and supporters) who fed you this info, or do I have to copy and paste your PM on here?
Just fucking post it, you're as bad as him, with I know something you don't know. Why run dmcnally is seen as some sort of mouthpiece I don't know. Same as it was with Vaughan, some supporters knowing and giving out crap hints while the rest will never know. The whole board should of been given a vote of no confidence, rip it down start again. I gave him the opportunity to come clean Dom. Which he has. I've already said all I know. Do keep up dear
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Post by eltonblues on Apr 3, 2018 9:31:09 GMT
I automatically assumed, due to the timing of their resignations, that MH and SO were fighting the same battle and singing from the same hymn sheet. Is that correct? Or are they part of the division within the club? My assumption too until I read Dannys words from the mouth of SO
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Post by Al on Apr 3, 2018 9:32:12 GMT
I automatically assumed, due to the timing of their resignations, that MH and SO were fighting the same battle and singing from the same hymn sheet. Is that correct? Or are they part of the division within the club? No they were not fighting the same battle. Mark resigned over the treatment of CH. SO resigned cause board blocked his proposal to revive ops board and bring football working group into it - get in rid of CH in the process.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 9:32:32 GMT
Nothing in the countless posts so far has given me any real information as to why what's happened has happened. All I'm getting is high emotions (entirely to be expected), speculation as to the reasons without any hard facts and, typical of this forum at times, a degree of personal vindictiveness. I also suspect some not so hidden agendas in there somewhere.
There's no doubt this is a crisis which could affect our very being if not resolved asap.
But, until the true reasons, and the true state of our club, are made public, I defy anyone to come up with a viable (and acceptable) approach to our predicament.
This has uncanny similarities to what led up to the January watershed Back then, it was predominantly financial. Only when things became public were the problems addressed or at least started to be.
This time it appears to be more about the very ethos of the club and it's future. We're in the same boat again. This must be out in the open before we can move on.
As in January, I suspect delays will only exacerbated the crisis but this time, I fear it could be terminal.
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Post by gezzer on Apr 3, 2018 9:40:02 GMT
Great write up in the Chron from Dave Powell. It also appears that Neil Young has followed his workmate SO out of the door.
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Post by btb on Apr 3, 2018 9:40:59 GMT
Raffles, it's hard to see it being anything but terminal. The whole situation is a complete mess. Do we even have the people in place to complete the season?
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Post by devadiva on Apr 3, 2018 9:43:14 GMT
As an owner I want to know what’s going on and know what is going to be done to sort it. If the Bord isn’t carrying the members with it then the Board needs to be changed. The priority is the club and the current situation means we won’t attract a decent manager or players for next season unless we have a stable foundation on which to build. This has all the hallmarks of condemning us to do an Altrincham/north Ferriby. If there is a fundamental issue that needs resolving - the Board should put it to a members vote....or alternatively the members should take the initiative and call an EGM. When is the next scheduled CFU meeting? 18th April at St Theresa's according to the CFU site. I've just emailed them to say it should now be this week, or early next at latest. Email the club and say the same. We don't need an EGM just a Formal Meeting. The truth and both sides of it need to come out. From the remaining Board, Working Groups and those who've just resigned. What email address did you use?
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Post by trev on Apr 3, 2018 9:49:03 GMT
I and most ordinary fans/owners looking at the current shambles, are totally confused about the motives of those apparently running the Club - whoever they are right now. The Club appears as a rudderless, embarrassing basket case with seemingly agendas of some (unknown) being propagated through the press, selected individuals and may be even DC. The apparent infighting is a disgrace and making a mockery of those fans and people from around the country who so generously donated and helped out to recently save the club. I may be wrong but as far as I can see many of those primarily responsible for the previous crisis are now in control - for reasons and disagreements so far unknown. I'm beginning to think that maybe the Clubs Chaplain as a man of peace should be asked for an honest assessment of the position, and while he's at it maybe he could ask for some much needed divine intervention !!
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Post by Harry Lime on Apr 3, 2018 9:52:44 GMT
18th April at St Theresa's according to the CFU site. I've just emailed them to say it should now be this week, or early next at latest. Email the club and say the same. We don't need an EGM just a Formal Meeting. The truth and both sides of it need to come out. From the remaining Board, Working Groups and those who've just resigned. What email address did you use? I used info@chesterfc.com That what it is says for general enquiries on the website. At least someone will pick it up there today. Not sure what else to do. Doubt it will make any difference. Maybe if loads of us contact them, it might??
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