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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Sept 21, 2017 22:50:44 GMT
Sorry to be a kill joy but I am very worried about this appointment of Bignot.
Genuinely, what has he done? One success at Solihull Moors. Total. There were a number of other candidates with much more impressive CVs which included numerous successes and wide experience with a number of top quality clubs (and I exclude Ronnie Moron from this group).
I think weve we've dropped a big one. Sorry but I'm NOT impressed by what he's done at Solihull, it was commendable but a one off. If he'd done it there and repeated it elsewhere like Neil Warnock does with Championship clubs then fine. But he's had one success and then failed and no one else has come in for him.
I so so hope I'm wrong but I think the appointment committee have made a huge error and placed our Conference survival at huge risk (2 errors if you count keeping MCCarthy on) and I'd like me to know who made this appointment please - people need to be accountable. From the list of supposed applicants Bignot wouldn't be in my top three.
Due diligence could not have been carried out, if it had then more experienced and better qualified person would've been appointed.
Of of course I shall support the team 100% on Saturday but I shall be very apprehensive and far from confident, I don't think he's up to the task.
Sorry.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 21, 2017 22:53:47 GMT
You demand somebody to be held to account for appointing a manager who has yet to take charge of his first game?
Give your head a wobble.
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Sept 21, 2017 22:56:05 GMT
Well I'm sure they'll want the credit when we run away with the title?
Isn't somebody accountable for every decision in a proper business?
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Post by whopper3 on Sept 21, 2017 23:13:48 GMT
Bignot who is a serial failure bar one fluke is not the man to take us forward.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 23:14:59 GMT
Not been boss for 48 hours and fans on his back
only at Chester
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Post by whopper3 on Sept 21, 2017 23:16:59 GMT
His record bar one lucky season is pitiful at best. We should have got Barrow back.
But when you have the incompetent Maguire in charge what do you expect.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Sept 21, 2017 23:38:09 GMT
My goodness we haven't even kicked a ball as yet under him and what I'm reading on this read.
It wasn't one lucky season at Moors his success came having built their side up during previous campaign.
I know people are entitled to their opinion and I get why there is some concern expressed.
Let's give Marcus and the players a chance and get behind them. That way we may hopefully see a much needed turn around in fortunes. It's vital we stay up this season we can play a big part by backing the new manager and the players.
It seems as if some won't give him a chance!!!
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Post by Anders on Sept 21, 2017 23:53:56 GMT
There’s some baffling logic flying around in this thread.
I don’t really know why the OP thinks what he achieved at Solihull was a one-off to be honest. Then goes on to bizarrely compare him to a man 25 years his senior. Bignot is an impressive new manager on the block at 43 years of age, he’s had two jobs (in the mens game anyway) an undoubted success in the first and headhunted by a League 2 club. He then has the misfortune to hardly be given a chance by a known temperamental character in Fenty. His record wasn’t poor at Grimsby and with them in no man’s land in that table started preparing them for the next season whilst maintaining a decent strike rate.
As for a subsequent poster (a known WUM in fairness) calling a man with two jobs to his name a ‘serial failure’ and describing his record as ‘pitiful at best’. It’s possibly the most embarrassing post I’ve seen on here.
Bignot’s pitiful record:
Solihull - 249 games - 360 points (Includes a Conference North title)
Grimsby - 27 games - 34 points
To put that Grimsby record in to perspective, McCarthy has just achieved 20 points from his last 29 games. Bignot achieved 14 points more in two games less.
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Post by devavictrix on Sept 22, 2017 0:29:38 GMT
Bignot who is a serial failure bar one fluke is not the man to take us forward. Has Maguire ran off with your wife? |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Sept 22, 2017 0:44:30 GMT
Only on DevaChat.
We haven’t even played a game under him yet and he ‘’isn’t up to the task’’. Deary me.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 22, 2017 5:23:53 GMT
Very strange. You do wonder about the motives of some people who post on here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 5:43:59 GMT
Bignot who is a serial failure bar one fluke is not the man to take us forward. Has Maguire ran off with your wife? Wife lol. Got Virgin written through him like Bransons Filofax. |
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Post by sealking on Sept 22, 2017 6:09:47 GMT
Try and find a manager who has a squeaky clean record,almost impossible.there's a reason why all these managers are free agents but its about picking the best out of them and who suits us the most which I think bignot does
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Post by englishred on Sept 22, 2017 6:15:45 GMT
Every managerial appointment is a risk. If you look at what Bignot did at Solihull, not just on the pitch (although winning the conference north then consolidation in the Prem isn't to be sniffed at) but also off the pitch where he did a lot of community work, helped set up youth teams and built the club up locally, he's a great fit for Chester as a fan owned club, particularly one who have struggled recently to engage the local populace.
Even if you are unsure give him a few games before writing him off eh lads?
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 22, 2017 6:28:09 GMT
There’s some baffling logic flying around in this thread. I don’t really know why the OP thinks what he achieved at Solihull was a one-off to be honest. Then goes on to bizarrely compare him to a man 25 years his senior. Bignot is an impressive new manager on the block at 43 years of age, he’s had two jobs (in the mens game anyway) an undoubted success in the first and headhunted by a League 2 club. He then has the misfortune to hardly be given a chance by a known temperamental character in Fenty. His record wasn’t poor at Grimsby and with them in no man’s land in that table started preparing them for the next season whilst maintaining a decent strike rate. As for a subsequent poster (a known WUM in fairness) calling a man with two jobs to his name a ‘serial failure’ and describing his record as ‘pitiful at best’. It’s possibly the most embarrassing post I’ve seen on here. Bignot’s pitiful record: Solihull - 249 games - 360 points (Includes a Conference North title) Grimsby - 27 games - 34 points To put that Grimsby record in to perspective, McCarthy has just achieved 20 points from his last 29 games. Bignot achieved 14 points more in two games less. [/qu ote] If he can acheive 34 points in 27 games for us that will be considered a major success in my eyes. That'll give us 8 games left to get another 10 points for safety. It's going to need a massive upturn to get anywhere near that. |
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Post by billyw on Sept 22, 2017 6:30:57 GMT
Every managerial appointment is a risk. If you look at what Bignot did at Solihull, not just on the pitch (although winning the conference north then consolidation in the Prem isn't to be sniffed at) but also off the pitch where he did a lot of community work, helped set up youth teams and built the club up locally, he's a great fit for Chester as a fan owned club, particularly one who have struggled recently to engage the local populace. Even if you are unsure give him a few games before writing him off eh lads? Good post. We must give Marcus our full support but I must admit that I don't share the euphoria of some on here about his appointment. As you say he did a great job at Solihull but the fans comments on Grimsby's forum, many of which are similar to our comments about McCarthy, gives me cause for concern. Only time will tell, I just hope he dispels any doubts otherwise we are well and truly in the brown stuff. |
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Post by rcb on Sept 22, 2017 7:42:20 GMT
A very honest opening post to this thread. If you recall the criticism of McCarthy's contract extension some months ago any critics were jibed with such as "You weren't complaining at the time." This is simply expressing a worry at the time - it is not a criticism. I happen to share the concern over the appointment, particularly when you note his record at Conference North is less than Neil Young achieved, and he managed Solihull at this level for only three months, so a lot less than McCarthy. When this record is compared with the record offered by others it does seem minimal. Comments made by John Richardson suggest Maguire loaded things against Barrow, thus offering a bias in favour of Bignot. Looks to me like Maguire was instrumental in the decision.
I fully understand oldnotdecrepid's comments, not necessarily sharing them, I liked the attitude and comments delivered by Bignot post appointment, and am hopeful rather than confident. Martin O'Neill was the correct choice for Wycombe, with no previous experience at all. Let's hope we've got it right this time, but there is a risk.
Until the terms of the contract are publicised I cannot comment on the degree of risk involved. We got that risk very wrong with Burr and McCarthy. It's always different spending someone else's money.
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Post by shango on Sept 22, 2017 7:44:15 GMT
Bignot who is a serial failure bar one fluke is not the man to take us forward. Has Maguire ran off with your wife? Like he's ever had a girlfriend let alone a wife hahaha. |
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Post by kyle on Sept 22, 2017 7:46:44 GMT
This thread is pretty embarrassing
Maybe we should have appointed whopper, he seems to know everything about everything.....
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Post by Captain Duff on Sept 22, 2017 8:10:41 GMT
A very honest opening post to this thread. If you recall the criticism of McCarthy's contract extension some months ago any critics were jibed with such as "You weren't complaining at the time." I don't actually, no. This forum wasn't going at the time, but I don't remember any criticism at all on DC1 (although I get the point that more critical posters had been unfairly banned by certain mods). Funnily enough though I do remember that a number of posters who made very positive comments about his appointments were then often the ones saying later that they knew all along that the board was wrong, apparently not remembering that their earlier posts were and are still available for inspection  |
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Post by Harry Lime on Sept 22, 2017 9:10:44 GMT
The reality is that any appointment comes with risks.
MB seems a fairly sensible choice, given the other people supposed to have applied.
If you ignore the name Barrow. It was an applicant that hasn't managed for years. Has been an assistant or advisor during that time. He wouldn't have been responsible for scouting for recruitment in that time. Would have a limited knowledge of National League players, and non league in general, as it wasn't required in his previous roles. If they had been appointed we'd have all been questioning the decision.
Money and Drummy are based down south. There would have been location and travel issues. They'd presumably have wanted a good edge to come here, with maybe a long contract too.
Watson has never managed.
Nicholson probably similar profile to MB, but less potential upside.
Etc etc
I'm unsure about MB mainly due to his apparent issues with players at Grimsby. But, let's face, if he upsets some of our lot we won't be too fussed.
We are in a relegation battle. We need someone to come in, get the basics right, wheel a couple out and a couple in, and get results. That won't be easy. He maybe the right man, at the right time. Let's hope so.
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Post by bing on Sept 22, 2017 9:23:10 GMT
A very honest opening post to this thread. If you recall the criticism of McCarthy's contract extension some months ago any critics were jibed with such as "You weren't complaining at the time." I don't actually, no. This forum wasn't going at the time, but I don't remember any criticism at all on DC1 (although I get the point that more critical posters had been unfairly banned by certain mods). Funnily enough though I do remember that a number of posters who made very positive comments about his appointments were then often the ones saying later that they knew all along that the board was wrong, apparently not remembering that their earlier posts were and are still available for inspection Very true! In fact, your Tony Benn statement seems quite apt! I'm pleased with the MB appointment. If, however, it doesn't work out for him - it'll be very easy for people to say we should have gone with X or we should have gone with Y without ever knowing how they would have done in the hot seat. |
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Post by thebluecamp on Sept 22, 2017 9:39:22 GMT
His record bar one lucky season is pitiful at best. We should have got Barrow back. But when you have the incompetent Maguire in charge what do you expect. Wow - Maguire incompetent. Is this a new stance, as you are normally singing his praises. Anyway, as a volunteer you obviously 'rub shoulders' with all and sundry at the club. Out of interest, how does Mr Maguire react when you tell him of his incompetency face to face ? |
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Post by Manchester Blue on Sept 22, 2017 10:07:16 GMT
in any other job you would get the sack for talking about your employer the way whopper does online, voluntary position or not. does the club not have a social media policy that staff have to sign up to?
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Post by Lobster on Sept 22, 2017 10:40:08 GMT
Maybe it would be an idea to just let this thread fall down the forum now and stop replying to it. It's a bit embarrassing as others have said. I appreciate I'm going against my own advice by posting this!
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Post by massivefloodlights on Sept 22, 2017 10:50:49 GMT
He,ll be gone before the season is over. You’ll be rebuilding for life in the North come March if you’ve got any sense.
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Post by massivefloodlights on Sept 22, 2017 10:54:31 GMT
Sorry to be a kill joy but I am very worried about this appointment of Bignot. Genuinely, what has he done? One success at Solihull Moors. Total. There were a number of other candidates with much more impressive CVs which included numerous successes and wide experience with a number of top quality clubs (and I exclude Ronnie Moron from this group). I think weve we've dropped a big one. Sorry but I'm NOT impressed by what he's done at Solihull, it was commendable but a one off. If he'd done it there and repeated it elsewhere like Neil Warnock does with Championship clubs then fine. But he's had one success and then failed and no one else has come in for him. I so so hope I'm wrong but I think the appointment committee have made a huge error and placed our Conference survival at huge risk (2 errors if you count keeping MCCarthy on) and I'd like me to know who made this appointment please - people need to be accountable. From the list of supposed applicants Bignot wouldn't be in my top three. Due diligence could not have been carried out, if it had then more experienced and better qualified person would've been appointed. Of of course I shall support the team 100% on Saturday but I shall be very apprehensive and far from confident, I don't think he's up to the task. Sorry. Due diligence is a very good point. If it’s been carried out correctly on all candidates then Bignot must be the man. Somehow I just don’t think your resources allow for proper DD. Time will tell. |
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Post by MOC on Sept 22, 2017 11:04:18 GMT
Very strange. You do wonder about the motives of some people who post on here. Indeed. Deva Chat's hardly alone in attracting them though - there was a guy throwing a right strop on the Chron's Chester FC Facebook page, saying he was giving away his season ticket in disgust at the appointment and laying into the club for not picking Justin Edinburgh (I'm not sure if Edinburgh even applied for the job). |
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Post by paulie on Sept 22, 2017 11:16:59 GMT
The title of this thread is "very worried" I think that is a bit drastic.
I knew absolutely nothing about Marcus Bignot till this week. However we have to give this man our full backing, his job will be difficult enough as it is with this unbalanced squad he has inherited from Mcarthy.
It will be difficult to judge him this season as none of them are his signings. Hopefully he can do the job and keep us safe and start afresh next season.
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Post by rcb on Sept 22, 2017 11:38:46 GMT
The title of this thread is "very worried" I think that is a bit drastic. I knew absolutely nothing about Marcus Bignot till this week. However we have to give this man our full backing, his job will be difficult enough as it is with this unbalanced squad he has inherited from Mcarthy. It will be difficult to judge him this season as none of them are his signings. Hopefully he can do the job and keep us safe and start afresh next season. No difficulty judging him this season. It was decided McCarthy wasn't going to keep us up. The primary purpose of seeking a replacement was to avoid relegation. Simple. |
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