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Post by Jack on Oct 21, 2017 19:38:39 GMT
Touched on it in another thread, but the club is absolutely stagnant right now and it needs addressing urgently.
I absolutely agree we need a figurehead to lead us, somebody with a clear plan to return the community based ethos that we've left behind. Today was depressing on many fronts, but it's the apathy around the place that hurts the most. There is absolutely nothing going on, other than dross football. No match day entertainment, no ticketing initiatives, no connection between the stands and the players. The only reason anybody goes to watch us these days is because of that sense of duty, it's certainly not for the enjoyment.
Maybe a new thread should be started on here, with legitimate ideas raised to get us out of this malaise. Whether we have the man-power to put any of these into action is another question, but at least it's a start. I've got a few ideas and I'm sure there's plenty of others too.
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Post by tarvinblue on Oct 21, 2017 19:45:34 GMT
Touched on it in another thread, but the club is absolutely stagnant right now and it needs addressing urgently. I absolutely agree we need a figurehead to lead us, somebody with a clear plan to return the community based ethos that we've left behind. Today was depressing on many fronts, but it's the apathy around the place that hurts the most. There is absolutely nothing going on, other than dross football. No match day entertainment, no ticketing initiatives, no connection between the stands and the players. The only reason anybody goes to watch us these days is because of that sense of duty, it's certainly not for the enjoyment. Maybe a new thread should be started on here, with legitimate ideas raised to get us out of this malaise. Whether we have the man-power to put any of these into action is another question, but at least it's a start. I've got a few ideas and I'm sure there's plenty of others too. You would like to think it wouldn't need a thread of Devachat to initiate this. You would expect that the CFU board (as part of their elected duty) would have a clear action plan with timescales and success criteria attached to it. In fact, that would be perfect for the members to be able to monitor long term progress over time and track the overall strategy as well as who was responsible for delivery on each.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 21, 2017 20:02:48 GMT
Deja vu for the last four years with the above two posts.
Something has to change.
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Post by trev on Oct 21, 2017 20:38:20 GMT
Even forgetting what football we did see, the match day experience today was really very poor. There was absolutely no pre match buzz at all. Other then the guys selling draw tickets nothing. The bar was half empty and subdued. Nothing of interest at half time. For the few casual Chester fans in attendance this was grim fare indeed. Other than the Wrexham and Tranny games, little is likely to entice other than the diehards back again. So, what is the Boards strategy to help attract/ retain fans in these difficult times, and which board members are responsible? I recall Grenville saying that a reason why the CEO post was created, was to enable the chairman to act as the Figure Head and voice of the Club . I look forward to hearing from Chairman Hughes in this leadership role , and effectively communicate the efforts which are being made to galvanise the club at this difficult time. As a start why not address the fans at half time?
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Post by steveo1 on Oct 21, 2017 20:55:23 GMT
Even forgetting what football we did see, the match day experience today was really very poor. There was absolutely no pre match buzz at all. Other then the guys selling draw tickets nothing. The bar was half empty and subdued. Nothing of interest at half time. For the few casual Chester fans in attendance this was grim fare indeed. Other than the Wrexham and Tranny games, little is likely to entice other than the diehards back again. So, what is the Boards strategy to help attract/ retain fans in these difficult times, and which board members are responsible? I recall Grenville saying that a reason why the CEO post was created, was to enable the chairman to act as the Figure Head and voice of the Club . I look forward to hearing from Chairman Hughes in this leadership role , and effectively communicate the efforts which are being made to galvanise the club at this difficult time. As a start why not address the fans at half time? Completely agree, this has become terrible, non existent. Where are the youngsters behind the goal in the south stand? Where are the families and community hub of schools in the west stand? Half time entertainment we can't even get half time scores, what about old players returning? Penalty shoot out? Cross bar challenge? Kick the ball in a bucket for a prize, anything! Before the game we used to have a stall trying to get people signed up to the CFU, the lottery and other stuff, once again nothing. The social club I heard before the game was pretty empty, it's a lot quieter after the games than it used to be. Why aren't the chairman and directors going around and speaking to the fans and getting to know them, you may even get some ideas. It's no wonder gates are an all time low, what is there to come for? If die hard fans and loyal supporters like me and others are not enjoying things on and off the pitch then their is no hope of getting new fans in or old fans back. Why don't the board speak, do they volunteers, do they need help? Speak please and I don't mean maguires blurb to smooth things over with posh words.
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Post by Cestrian For Life on Oct 22, 2017 14:13:43 GMT
Can only agree with what has been said so far in this thread. Yesterday was dire from start to finish. The Bar was empty, no buzz at all. Food idea seems to have gone by the wayside too. Less said about the game the better. Everyone around me seems resigned to the fact we are shit and are going to lose with a real lack of passion coming from the players.
I will however say that I do consistently see Mark Maguire milling around and generally looking busy. Each time I have looked at him he has always been pleasant and said hello. Never properly spoke to him but he comes across as professional in interviews. I couldn't even pick out who the current chairman is, or indeed who any of the Board members are. Totally anonymous, the lot of them. It was suggested to me when he first took over from the previous chairman that the acting Chairman was 'acting' short term as it suited his daily business activities working from the Deva Stadium but he didn't want the gig on a long term basis. By all accounts he's a nice guy but not the LEADER we need to be running our football Club. I feel we do need a motivated business head as Chairman. The likes of Durkin were very successful millionaire business people who I felt were driving us forward despite making some (in the grand scheme of things minor) mistakes. When Burr first took over, we were playing great football and having cup runs with a strong enough league finish. Things started going sour when Durkin left and it appears there was a change in attitude from 'speculate to accumulate' to 'rainy day fund building'. No co-incidence that things on the field started going wrong from there. Do we even pay goal/win bonuses? Some might say we shouldn't have to but unfortunately, money makes the world go round.
The point is we needs Leaders right now, vocal board members who can motivate the CFC team of staff, players and owners/fans. They need to stand up and be counted.
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Post by kyle on Oct 22, 2017 14:25:15 GMT
Even forgetting what football we did see, the match day experience today was really very poor. There was absolutely no pre match buzz at all. Other then the guys selling draw tickets nothing. The bar was half empty and subdued. Nothing of interest at half time. For the few casual Chester fans in attendance this was grim fare indeed. Other than the Wrexham and Tranny games, little is likely to entice other than the diehards back again. So, what is the Boards strategy to help attract/ retain fans in these difficult times, and which board members are responsible? I recall Grenville saying that a reason why the CEO post was created, was to enable the chairman to act as the Figure Head and voice of the Club . I look forward to hearing from Chairman Hughes in this leadership role , and effectively communicate the efforts which are being made to galvanise the club at this difficult time. As a start why not address the fans at half time? Completely agree, this has become terrible, non existent. Where are the youngsters behind the goal in the south stand? Where are the families and community hub of schools in the west stand? Half time entertainment we can't even get half time scores, what about old players returning? Penalty shoot out? Cross bar challenge? Kick the ball in a bucket for a prize, anything! Before the game we used to have a stall trying to get people signed up to the CFU, the lottery and other stuff, once again nothing. The social club I heard before the game was pretty empty, it's a lot quieter after the games than it used to be. Why aren't the chairman and directors going around and speaking to the fans and getting to know them, you may even get some ideas. It's no wonder gates are an all time low, what is there to come for? If die hard fans and loyal supporters like me and others are not enjoying things on and off the pitch then their is no hope of getting new fans in or old fans back. Why don't the board speak, do they volunteers, do they need help? Speak please and I don't mean maguires blurb to smooth things over with posh words. You're exactly right. If you ask yourself, or anyone, why should you go to a Chester game there isn't really an answer. What do we do to entice anyone to come? Only loyalty, habit and the knowledge that the club desperately needs ever penny keeps the hard-core coming. I'm a season ticket holder and I'm not sure I will go on Tuesday
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Post by adrianh on Oct 22, 2017 16:16:43 GMT
I don’t get to as many CFU Meetings as I used to but it’s quite clear that some on have never been as they have no idea how the club is structured.
About three years ago we had a members meeting and voted in changes to the setup which meant the formation of the operations board. This was wanted by Tony Durkin and co. So they could run the club Ona day to Day basis instead of having to refer decisions to the elected CFU board. I had reservations about this as it meant that control was being taken from the people we’d elected, but there were some controls in place. Basically it meant from then on all football decisions were made by ops board.
Tony Durkin was not comfortable with the chairman role when he resigned as he and his family got abuse from fans. So we were told the CFU board now had a Chair person to manage meetings but not actually a club chairman . So all since then including Johnny Hughes have been Chair of CIty Fabs United not club chairman
When Mark Maguire was made CEO part of his role was to be the clubs spokesperson.
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Post by adrianh on Oct 22, 2017 16:31:35 GMT
It is all very amateur. From the pally relationship some board members had with the manager, to the way we are communicated with. If any other business of our size had a Board of Directors like this it would have sunk a long time ago. It makes me question the model to be honest. We need a board full of people like Ollerenshaw. Instead we get journalists and 'marketing executives'. With all due respect to those people, they aren't the sort that are usually required on a Board of Directors. We need business people, with tangible business experience and expertise. Absolutely spot on! The chairman should be someone with a business background, used to making tough decisions in pressurised environments. It makes my blood boil how some of these lot let their personal relationship with McCarthy lead their actions. But were there any business people like Ollerrnshaw standing for election? No. So we’re stuck with what we’ve got. Also I was told he quit the board with out giving any notice leaving them in the lurch.
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Post by Maravilla on Oct 22, 2017 16:44:04 GMT
Absolutely spot on! The chairman should be someone with a business background, used to making tough decisions in pressurised environments. It makes my blood boil how some of these lot let their personal relationship with McCarthy lead their actions. But were there any business people like Ollerrnshaw standing for election? No. So we’re stuck with what we’ve got. Also I was told he quit the board with out giving any notice leaving them in the lurch. Simon Olorenshaw offered his help to the board not long back, only to be rather unceremoniously told where to go. It's no wonder he didn't want to stand for election.
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Post by kyle on Oct 22, 2017 16:49:10 GMT
But were there any business people like Ollerrnshaw standing for election? No. So we’re stuck with what we’ve got. Also I was told he quit the board with out giving any notice leaving them in the lurch. Simon Olorenshaw offered his help to the board not long back, only to be rather unceremoniously told where to go. It's no wonder he didn't want to stand for election. Maybe instead of squad builder we need a bring back Simon fund It does seem that the club has been less well run the further up the league's we got
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Post by Lobster on Oct 22, 2017 16:57:13 GMT
The problem with saying we need someone with a "business background" is that businesspeople by definition don't have a lot of time on their hands. They put long hours into their own business and anything else (besides family) is sure to be a distant second in the priority stakes.
There are several members of the board with business links. A lack of business acumen isn't the problem, I don't think, it's more a lack of people who really have the free time they need to make a serious difference to the club.
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Post by richard on Oct 22, 2017 17:17:31 GMT
I don’t get to as many CFU Meetings as I used to but it’s quite clear that some on have never been as they have no idea how the club is structured. About three years ago we had a members meeting and voted in changes to the setup which meant the formation of the operations board. This was wanted by Tony Durkin and co. So they could run the club Ona day to Day basis instead of having to refer decisions to the elected CFU board. I had reservations about this as it meant that control was being taken from the people we’d elected, but there were some controls in place. Basically it meant from then on all football decisions were made by ops board. Tony Durkin was not comfortable with the chairman role when he resigned as he and his family got abuse from fans. So we were told the CFU board now had a Chair person to manage meetings but not actually a club chairman . So all since then including Johnny Hughes have been Chair of CIty Fabs United not club chairman When Mark Maguire was made CEO part of his role was to be the clubs spokesperson. Just to clarify. The change to the structure was recommended to the membership as a result of the work of the Organisational Work Group who received help and support in the process from Supporters Direct. The whole idea was to streamline day to day operations, but it does not include all football related decisions. The Operations Board are elected directors, although non voting business people can sit on the operations board where their skill sets are of benefit to the business. The issue of having a chair as opposed to the role of a traditional chairman has long been debated and divides opinion. Other fan owned clubs such as FCUM don't have a chairman ( unless that has recently changed) and prior to selling out, neither did AFC Telford United.
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Post by trev on Oct 22, 2017 19:14:28 GMT
I don’t get to as many CFU Meetings as I used to but it’s quite clear that some on have never been as they have no idea how the club is structured. About three years ago we had a members meeting and voted in changes to the setup which meant the formation of the operations board. This was wanted by Tony Durkin and co. So they could run the club Ona day to Day basis instead of having to refer decisions to the elected CFU board. I had reservations about this as it meant that control was being taken from the people we’d elected, but there were some controls in place. Basically it meant from then on all football decisions were made by ops board. Tony Durkin was not comfortable with the chairman role when he resigned as he and his family got abuse from fans. So we were told the CFU board now had a Chair person to manage meetings but not actually a club chairman . So all since then including Johnny Hughes have been Chair of CIty Fabs United not club chairman When Mark Maguire was made CEO part of his role was to be the clubs spokesperson. Just to clarify. The change to the structure was recommended to the membership as a result of the work of the Organisational Work Group who received help and support in the process from Supporters Direct. The whole idea was to streamline day to day operations, but it does not include all football related decisions. The Operations Board are elected directors, although non voting business people can sit on the operations board where their skill sets are of benefit to the business. The issue of having a chair as opposed to the role of a traditional chairman has long been debated and divides opinion. Other fan owned clubs such as FCUM don't have a chairman ( unless that has recently changed) and prior to selling out, neither did AFC Telford United. So as I understand it , without a "traditional" chairman, Mr Hughes and the Board members (And ops Board) channel all significant communication with the outside world through Mark Maguire - an unelected Club employee. Consequently, other than an occasional appearance at sparsely attended CFU meetings, there is no need for any elected board member to ever communicate with the wider Chester fan base, (i.e. The Fans) and can quite simply hide behind Mr Maguire’s well delivered, positive spin. I find it rather odd for those who say they support the ethos of the supporter owned model to accept the personal accountability and responsibility of those elected to run our Club being obscured in this way. It hardly inspires confidence, and to an extent explains the baffling silence from the board for months and why Jon McCarthy’s very damaging regime was allowed to continue for so long, given that those responsible for taking footballing and other decisions do not have to publically justify their actions or inaction.
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Post by richard on Oct 22, 2017 19:42:48 GMT
Just to clarify. The change to the structure was recommended to the membership as a result of the work of the Organisational Work Group who received help and support in the process from Supporters Direct. The whole idea was to streamline day to day operations, but it does not include all football related decisions. The Operations Board are elected directors, although non voting business people can sit on the operations board where their skill sets are of benefit to the business. The issue of having a chair as opposed to the role of a traditional chairman has long been debated and divides opinion. Other fan owned clubs such as FCUM don't have a chairman ( unless that has recently changed) and prior to selling out, neither did AFC Telford United. So as I understand it , without a "traditional" chairman, Mr Hughes and the Board members (And ops Board) channel all significant communication with the outside world through Mark Maguire - an unelected Club employee. Consequently, other than an occasional appearance at sparsely attended CFU meetings, there is no need for any elected board member to ever communicate with the wider Chester fan base, (i.e. The Fans) and can quite simply hide behind Mr Maguire’s well delivered, positive spin. I find it rather odd for those who say they support the ethos of the supporter owned model to accept the personal accountability and responsibility of those elected to run our Club being obscured in this way. It hardly inspires confidence, and to an extent explains the baffling silence from the board for months and why Jon McCarthy’s very damaging regime was allowed to continue for so long, given that those responsible for taking footballing and other decisions do not have to publically justify their actions or inaction. Well, it's not for me to argue your points and I respect your opinion. Just to add that there is nothing unusual about a CEO acting as the public face of a business and its hardly the boards fault that CFU meetings are sparsely attended. I have always found the meetings informative enough, with questions answered openly and honestly.
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Post by avfo on Oct 22, 2017 22:37:42 GMT
Just to clarify. The change to the structure was recommended to the membership as a result of the work of the Organisational Work Group who received help and support in the process from Supporters Direct. The whole idea was to streamline day to day operations, but it does not include all football related decisions. The Operations Board are elected directors, although non voting business people can sit on the operations board where their skill sets are of benefit to the business. The issue of having a chair as opposed to the role of a traditional chairman has long been debated and divides opinion. Other fan owned clubs such as FCUM don't have a chairman ( unless that has recently changed) and prior to selling out, neither did AFC Telford United. So as I understand it , without a "traditional" chairman, Mr Hughes and the Board members (And ops Board) channel all significant communication with the outside world through Mark Maguire - an unelected Club employee. Consequently, other than an occasional appearance at sparsely attended CFU meetings, there is no need for any elected board member to ever communicate with the wider Chester fan base, (i.e. The Fans) and can quite simply hide behind Mr Maguire’s well delivered, positive spin. I find it rather odd for those who say they support the ethos of the supporter owned model to accept the personal accountability and responsibility of those elected to run our Club being obscured in this way. It hardly inspires confidence, and to an extent explains the baffling silence from the board for months and why Jon McCarthy’s very damaging regime was allowed to continue for so long, given that those responsible for taking footballing and other decisions do not have to publically justify their actions or inaction. The monthly CFU meetings are the perfect platform for co-owners to question, even hold to account board members. Unlike other co-owned clubs I don't see much evidence of this taking place. Given that (when it works) you have the ability to post questions in realtime during these meetings, there is really no excuse for co-owners who feel strongly about matters and then fail to express their concerns . It's your club, it's down to you - as co-owners you get the club you deserve.
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Post by trev on Oct 23, 2017 0:37:23 GMT
So as I understand it , without a "traditional" chairman, Mr Hughes and the Board members (And ops Board) channel all significant communication with the outside world through Mark Maguire - an unelected Club employee. Consequently, other than an occasional appearance at sparsely attended CFU meetings, there is no need for any elected board member to ever communicate with the wider Chester fan base, (i.e. The Fans) and can quite simply hide behind Mr Maguire’s well delivered, positive spin. I find it rather odd for those who say they support the ethos of the supporter owned model to accept the personal accountability and responsibility of those elected to run our Club being obscured in this way. It hardly inspires confidence, and to an extent explains the baffling silence from the board for months and why Jon McCarthy’s very damaging regime was allowed to continue for so long, given that those responsible for taking footballing and other decisions do not have to publically justify their actions or inaction. The monthly CFU meetings are the perfect platform for co-owners to question, even hold to account board members. Unlike other co-owned clubs I don't see much evidence of this taking place. Given that (when it works) you have the ability to post questions in realtime during these meetings, there is really no excuse for co-owners who feel strongly about matters and then fail to express their concerns . It's your club, it's down to you - as co-owners you get the club you deserve.
This all sounds fine in theory. However, even as a CFU member, it is very hard to know what the individual responsibilities of most board members actually are, and very limited information is provided in advance of meetings on the progress of initiatives . So how can Board members be questioned and held to account for their actions, and how can judgements be made on their performance in meeting their objectives? That may be a reason for the lack of engagement you have highlighted.
In any event, surely there should be much more effective communication from the elected leadership of the Club outside the limited confines of monthly CFU meetings to inform the wider fan base of who is responsible for what, and the progress or otherwise which is being made by the Board . Rather than the bunker mentality which appears to exist. There is little from them in the press and other than the former Chairman (Alan Povey), they certainly don't engage with fans on the dreadful Deva Chat or social media. To many ordinary fans , the leadership of the Club now seems remote and inwardly looking, which undermines the whole ethos of a club run by the fans for the fans.
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Post by bing on Oct 23, 2017 6:40:51 GMT
The monthly CFU meetings are the perfect platform for co-owners to question, even hold to account board members. Unlike other co-owned clubs I don't see much evidence of this taking place. Given that (when it works) you have the ability to post questions in realtime during these meetings, there is really no excuse for co-owners who feel strongly about matters and then fail to express their concerns . It's your club, it's down to you - as co-owners you get the club you deserve.
This all sounds fine in theory. However, even as a CFU member, it is very hard to know what the individual responsibilities of most board members actually are, and very limited information is provided in advance of meetings on the progress of initiatives . So how can Board members be questioned and held to account for their actions, and how can judgements be made on their performance in meeting their objectives? That may be a reason for the lack of engagement you have highlighted.
In any event, surely there should be much more effective communication from the elected leadership of the Club outside the limited confines of monthly CFU meetings to inform the wider fan base of who is responsible for what, and the progress or otherwise which is being made by the Board . Rather than the bunker mentality which appears to exist. There is little from them in the press and other than the former Chairman (Alan Povey), they certainly don't engage with fans on the dreadful Deva Chat or social media. To many ordinary fans , the leadership of the Club now seems remote and inwardly looking, which undermines the whole ethos of a club run by the fans for the fans.
I think this is what AVRO is saying... The questions highlighted above could be asked at the meeting. The meetings I have attended have been fairly open and people are willing to give honest responses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 10:48:59 GMT
Asking questions at the meeting is great, but 95% of members cannot attend during the week. The streaming is sketchy at best also.
The 'new way' of doing things is not working, because so many supporters and owners feel a lot more distant from the club now than they did.
And as much as a "CEO of any business" is its mouthpiece, this is not just any business. It is OUR football club, and it is a totally different model. The board are the elected (well, SOME of them are...) representatives of our ownership and should be meeting, communicating and embracing our fanbase and not hiding behind a paid employee.
Again, cloud it in bureaucracy all you like but the facts remain
i) we voted them in ii) they offered to work for us iii) tell us what they are working on iv) tell us what progress they are making
this will enable us to decide whether or not to vote them back on again.
Bridges need rebuilding, or the model will crumble as people continue to lose faith in what is currently being done.
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Post by rcm on Oct 23, 2017 12:18:13 GMT
Asking questions at the meeting is great, but 95% of members cannot attend during the week. The streaming is sketchy at best also. The 'new way' of doing things is not working, because so many supporters and owners feel a lot more distant from the club now than they did. And as much as a "CEO of any business" is its mouthpiece, this is not just any business. It is OUR football club, and it is a totally different model. The board are the elected (well, SOME of them are...) representatives of our ownership and should be meeting, communicating and embracing our fanbase and not hiding behind a paid employee. Again, cloud it in bureaucracy all you like but the facts remain i) we voted them in ii) they offered to work for us iii) tell us what they are working on iv) tell us what progress they are making this will enable us to decide whether or not to vote them back on again. Bridges need rebuilding, or the model will crumble as people continue to lose faith in what is currently being done. I have to agree with the above from NWAS, something just is not working right at the moment between the board and the CFU members/fans expectations.
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Post by dmcnally on Oct 23, 2017 15:57:03 GMT
Asking questions at the meeting is great, but 95% of members cannot attend during the week. The streaming is sketchy at best also. The 'new way' of doing things is not working, because so many supporters and owners feel a lot more distant from the club now than they did. And as much as a "CEO of any business" is its mouthpiece, this is not just any business. It is OUR football club, and it is a totally different model. The board are the elected (well, SOME of them are...) representatives of our ownership and should be meeting, communicating and embracing our fanbase and not hiding behind a paid employee. Again, cloud it in bureaucracy all you like but the facts remain i) we voted them in ii) they offered to work for us iii) tell us what they are working on iv) tell us what progress they are making this will enable us to decide whether or not to vote them back on again. Bridges need rebuilding, or the model will crumble as people continue to lose faith in what is currently being done. We could do with you back on the board for a start 😉
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Post by Simon O on Oct 23, 2017 17:31:39 GMT
It maybe a bit unfair. Not sure though. If Simon Ollerenshaw had still been Chairman in April would JMc have been kept on, and all the new contracts handed out? I don't believe so. Difficult decisions are often made worse when you put them off. In this case the real error was probably the long contract extension. Ironically made when Simon was Chairman. I actually thought that when Simon offered his help to the Board towards the end of last season, it was to assist in removing JMc. I have no knowledge of that though, and may be entirely wrong. For the sake of accuracy the extension to Jon’s Contract was decided after I had departed.
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 23, 2017 21:42:45 GMT
It maybe a bit unfair. Not sure though. If Simon Ollerenshaw had still been Chairman in April would JMc have been kept on, and all the new contracts handed out? I don't believe so. Difficult decisions are often made worse when you put them off. In this case the real error was probably the long contract extension. Ironically made when Simon was Chairman. I actually thought that when Simon offered his help to the Board towards the end of last season, it was to assist in removing JMc. I have no knowledge of that though, and may be entirely wrong. For the sake of accuracy the extension to Jon’s Contract was decided after I had departed. Thanks for the correction. My apologies. You must be pleased it didn't happen on your watch! I note you haven't corrected anything else in my post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 11:41:56 GMT
We are nearly two weeks on from the AGM, and still no sign of any portfolios from the board members.
Our club is in a real lull, the atmosphere at the ground is dire, and the gates are falling. We need leadership, not proxy voices.
The silent voices, the majority of who saddled us with "Macca" and his sad band of signings, remain silent...
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Post by steveo1 on Oct 24, 2017 12:57:23 GMT
I would like the club to arrange a general meeting for everyone to attend, it hasn't got to be a CFU members meeting. Lets get in a room and get some ideas down, have a chat and at least see what is going on. How we can move forward, can we get extra people to help out, sign up new CFU members as membership surely is dwindling.
I remember in the ISA days fans would suggest ideas and at least they would be taken on board, I dont see anything like that currently. The board can attend and make themselves known, have a chat and an opportunity for fans to put faces to the names, i think this would help relationships.
Get Bignot and Maguire to come along as well. I feel we are sleep walking into big problems both on and off the pitch, i wont say crisis just yet but going to the games is not a pleasureable experience and its not just cause we are failing to win games.
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Post by prodigal on Oct 24, 2017 13:49:06 GMT
As supporters, we really need to a grip on this and try get the club back to how it was when we started out on this journey. As AVFO quite politely pointed out, The buck does really stop at us! we can join CFU or not,( how many this season anyone? ),and if we join we can vote in board elections or not, and if we join we can challenge and question that board or not, problem is many supporters are not members, and many members are passive.
Why? Because of how we have 'become' as a club; supporters feeling alienated and like mushrooms, 'fed on shit and kept in the dark'; the loss of the sense of community, and the way the personalities leading the club have changed during the years as well, but also the way in which the expectations and demands of' us' the supporters have changed over those years as well.
The dream was; we would get our club back, we would compete at whatever level we were allowed, and could sustain, without outside backing, we would remain debt free, cut our cloth according to our means, and most of all we would have a whole different philosophy to other clubs, where we would be inclusive, central to the community and the City, a community and social club that played football, and if the people come ( as they did ) we will see how far it gets us.
But not everyone bought that, many just wanted a route back towards the football league, and as a supporter for over 40 years, I get that, but that's not what for many others it was about, and that's where I feel one of our underlying problems is, we don't all want the same thing!
Many good leaders and committed organisers who understood the model have gone to the wayside and being lost during the journey so far, all most everyone who was there when times were good and we had that amazing three years ( many of my best days as a fan )and that amazing felling have gone, why? Many reasons given, but most of us already suspect, that there have been many power struggles behind the scenes, many people looking to further themselves and their own ambitions for the club, and paid employees looking to sustain their own careers.
We need some of the 'good guys' back, we need to risk taking a step back, lose most of our non playing staff expenses, play at the level we can win at and most importantly, build at.
I think that is the only way to save the club, retrace our steps and be better prepared to take our model into the bigger leagues, because struggling to survive in this league both on and off the pitch will kill us, in our present state as a club. Can we not tempt some of you out of retirement? Jeff, Mark, Steve , Chris, etc, sure many others would back you to seize this club back. Maybe we need to change the model and find investors? enough support for that argument too I believe, but we really do need to do something as this club will not only stagnate, but we will be always just one bad financial upset away from disaster, with the wage commitments etc at this level, dwindling gates even could be that upset.
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Post by dmcnally on Oct 24, 2017 13:58:40 GMT
I would like the club to arrange a general meeting for everyone to attend, it hasn't got to be a CFU members meeting. Lets get in a room and get some ideas down, have a chat and at least see what is going on. How we can move forward, can we get extra people to help out, sign up new CFU members as membership surely is dwindling. I remember in the ISA days fans would suggest ideas and at least they would be taken on board, I dont see anything like that currently. The board can attend and make themselves known, have a chat and an opportunity for fans to put faces to the names, i think this would help relationships. Get Bignot and Maguire to come along as well. I feel we are sleep walking into big problems both on and off the pitch, i wont say crisis just yet but going to the games is not a pleasureable experience and its not just cause we are failing to win games. Get this sent to Maguire, and the directors. All their email addresses are on the City Fans United website. It’s a good idea.
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Post by bluboy79 on Oct 24, 2017 14:41:59 GMT
I am afraid the fans owned model is failing and unless we play at Evostik level we are unable to sustain the club. Interest is at an all time low on and off the field and fans feel disengaged from the club. Does anyone see a way in which this can reversed ? If we hadn't had the cup run under Burr and sold Sarcevic and Sam Hughes we would probably be in administration by now, those pots of money made the accounts look okay. We have lost money most seasons and are trying to milk the same cash sources time after time. It's sad to say but the people of Chester just don't get behind the club like towns or cities of a comparable size, to only pull in 2000 fans on a good day is poor !
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 24, 2017 16:49:03 GMT
I would like the club to arrange a general meeting for everyone to attend, it hasn't got to be a CFU members meeting. Lets get in a room and get some ideas down, have a chat and at least see what is going on. How we can move forward, can we get extra people to help out, sign up new CFU members as membership surely is dwindling. I remember in the ISA days fans would suggest ideas and at least they would be taken on board, I dont see anything like that currently. The board can attend and make themselves known, have a chat and an opportunity for fans to put faces to the names, i think this would help relationships. Get Bignot and Maguire to come along as well. I feel we are sleep walking into big problems both on and off the pitch, i wont say crisis just yet but going to the games is not a pleasureable experience and its not just cause we are failing to win games. The next CFU meeting is planned for 23rd November. It's an informal meeting. That means an open meeting where anyone can ask a question, and receive an answer. If i recall correctly they were looking at getting MB as guest speaker for the first half. That would be followed by the Q&A session. Send you question in before the meeting,or through the online access, if you can't attend in person. Actually everyone should get down, if they can. That would help show the level of concern. Loads moan on here. Loads come up with really good suggestions. Loads have genuine questions. Yet less than 60 turn up. Let's all show how much we care.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 14:16:34 GMT
Has there been an announcement yet with board responsibilities? Maybe some roles with targets that will allow us some amount of measure of how much bang for their vote the membership are getting?
Or are they just emailing the paid staff three days before the next members meeting asking for notes?
One of the board responded on twitter stating he would be in the Blues Bar following games, but outside of this I have seen no communication from the board whatsoever.
Maybe I have missed something?
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