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Post by sirfred on Feb 11, 2017 15:32:03 GMT
I have been saying this for a while now - It's 1 win from 8 games in 2017 and 6 defeats from 8 - that's bottom 4 form - it's not just the defeats it's the desperate style of football we are playing hoofball to a solitary striker no width and method of play - Dropping Lynch was madness and we are looking threadbare and out of puff and clueless - my honest question here is were the Club too hasty if offering a 2 and half year contract to Macca? What strikes me as strange is we are desperate for loan signings to strengthen but get O'brien who can't even make the bench - Freefall
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Post by Charfield Blue on Feb 11, 2017 15:33:37 GMT
I have been saying this for a while now - It's 1 win from 8 games in 2017 and 6 defeats from 8 - that's bottom 4 form - it's not just the defeats it's the desperate style of football we are playing hoofball to a solitary striker no width and method of play - Dropping Lynch was madness and we are looking threadbare and out of puff and clueless - my honest question here is were the Club too hasty if offering a 2 and half year contract to Macca? What strikes me as strange is we are desperate for loan signings to strengthen but get O'brien who can't even make the bench - Freefall Have a stiff brandy old chap. You'll be tickety boo come the morning. |
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Feb 11, 2017 15:43:29 GMT
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Post by Johnnybling on Feb 11, 2017 15:43:29 GMT
Worrying but I think we're safe
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Post by btb on Feb 11, 2017 15:49:44 GMT
Things aren't great at the moment and the wheels do seem to be slipping off but we're not getting hammered and for large parts of games we are competing and only losing by the odd goal. I do agree that lynch didn't deserve to get benched and I probably feel better with him in goal. And the other downside is players playing out of position when they don't need to.
Let's just go back to basics like we did when we were on that great run. Take it game by game and try to start getting some more points on the board.
Dreading the tranmere game though at the moment!
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Post by Al on Feb 11, 2017 15:55:07 GMT
Just go back to 442 and get some bloody width in the side.
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Feb 11, 2017 15:59:12 GMT
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Post by CH3STER on Feb 11, 2017 15:59:12 GMT
Stop panicking! Trust in Macca
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Post by sirfred on Feb 11, 2017 16:14:59 GMT
Stop panicking! Trust in Macca It's not panicking it's just disbelief at how clueless we are since Christmas and ever since Macca set a 50 point target |
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Feb 11, 2017 16:28:37 GMT
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Post by Al on Feb 11, 2017 16:28:37 GMT
Just stop with Alabi on his own upfront and give him some support. Go back to the 442 that served us so well earlier in the season. One upfront at home is so negative it is untrue.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Feb 11, 2017 16:33:04 GMT
Things aren't great at the moment and the wheels do seem to be slipping off but we're not getting hammered and for large parts of games we are competing and only losing by the odd goal. I do agree that lynch didn't deserve to get benched and I probably feel better with him in goal. And the other downside is players playing out of position when they don't need to. Let's just go back to basics like we did when we were on that great run. Take it game by game and try to start getting some more points on the board. Dreading the tranmere game though at the moment! If Macca is true to form then Lynch has to come back in. Regardless of the relationship with Walsall. at the end of the day Lynch's progression will serve us better in the long term. |
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Post by ted the count on Feb 11, 2017 16:35:44 GMT
Sadly i was there today and agree with all of the above..ok maybe not as doom as sir fred but go along with most of it.
Alabi worked but wtf was he on is own? Didnt want to be too harsh but that was quite sh*t today.
If it wasnt for the community trust dishing out those tickets to kids today crowd would have been about 1400,1500.
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Post by steveo1 on Feb 11, 2017 16:50:49 GMT
Things aren't great at the moment and the wheels do seem to be slipping off but we're not getting hammered and for large parts of games we are competing and only losing by the odd goal. I do agree that lynch didn't deserve to get benched and I probably feel better with him in goal. And the other downside is players playing out of position when they don't need to. Let's just go back to basics like we did when we were on that great run. Take it game by game and try to start getting some more points on the board. Dreading the tranmere game though at the moment! If Macca is true to form then Lynch has to come back in. Regardless of the relationship with Walsall. at the end of the day Lynch's progression will serve us better in the long term. Completely agree. Walsall have clearly said Roberts needs regular football and we have gone with that, Lynch made one small error v Wrexham and has been dropped. I am a big Roberts fan but Lynch should not have been dropped, since Roberts has returned he looks nervous and uncomfortable, maybe after his bad injury. I would have kept Lynch in goal and sent Roberts back if they were insisting we give him game, Lynch is our player and we can build up with more games, then bring in a backup who doesnt mind sitting on the bench. |
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Feb 11, 2017 16:51:14 GMT
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Post by englishred on Feb 11, 2017 16:51:14 GMT
I think you are seeing the result of your impressive run earlier in the season with a very young team having burnt themselves out, coupled with teams perhaps having worked you out a bit. I watched your game today and you just looked very flat with no real game plan other than to lump it forward aimlessly to Alabi. Which you weren't doing when you were doing well.
You've got quality in your team and will be fine. You'll finish mid table along with us. It should be about next season for you guys really. Keeping the team together and growing as a squad.
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Feb 11, 2017 17:00:59 GMT
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Post by Al on Feb 11, 2017 17:00:59 GMT
Just stop with Alabi on his own upfront and give him some support. Go back to the 442 that served us so well earlier in the season. One upfront at home is so negative it is untrue.
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Feb 11, 2017 17:03:53 GMT
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Post by Shrewd Blue on Feb 11, 2017 17:03:53 GMT
We haven't had much luck with injuries to be fair to Macca.
That being said, Wade Joyce should not be starting.
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Post by Yogi on Feb 11, 2017 17:29:03 GMT
It has nothing to do with the Managers contract.. I think the main issue is the depth of quality in the squad and whilst other clubs are strengthening with established names we are taking young lads with little or no experience . As the season goes on and a few games are lost then confidence will wain when you don't have the experience in the squad
Are we identifying players that could improve us not just add a body to the squad .
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Feb 11, 2017 17:54:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 17:54:02 GMT
We haven't had much luck with injuries to be fair to Macca. That being said, Wade Joyce should not be starting. Rather have Joyce than George. Pretty much similar but Joyce can pass and at least looks to pass the ball forward |
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Feb 11, 2017 18:04:31 GMT
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Post by blue4life on Feb 11, 2017 18:04:31 GMT
McCarthy should never have been given a 2 year deal.
We're in free fall yet again and we'll probably end up in the bottom 8 that to me does not warrant a 2 year contract, should of waited until the end of the season before offering silly contracts out.
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Post by Buckley Blue on Feb 11, 2017 18:10:46 GMT
Sometimes you have to have faith. I think he is a good manager, ok today is one game where he totally lost the plot, but on the whole he has done fine. My only issue is the wafer thin squad and no strength in depth.
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Feb 11, 2017 18:11:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 18:11:59 GMT
We have the right man in charge, a man who is the best man for the job.
Keep the faith
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Feb 11, 2017 18:20:24 GMT
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 11, 2017 18:20:24 GMT
I don't want O'Brien to turn into Will Marsh, as I rate him. We should just stick to 4-4-2 and put the players in the right positions, then we'll be fine.
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Feb 11, 2017 19:04:36 GMT
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Post by sirfred on Feb 11, 2017 19:04:36 GMT
We have the right man in charge, a man who is the best man for the job. Keep the faith I sincerely hope so but this reminds me of Keith Curles Tenure great up to Christmas then went months without picking up many points - don't get wrong I want Macca to succeed as he is a genuine guy but it seems the rigours of Management over a full season tells- can I compare us to Macclesfield who similar budget have strengthened and are charging forward - I'm not expecting a Burr spree but it's bloody obvious we needed a couple of loan signings to strengthen and freshen things up - to say he is happy with what he has is foolish and shows inexperience - hopefully he will learn |
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Post by massivefloodlights on Feb 11, 2017 19:40:17 GMT
We have the right man in charge, a man who is the best man for the job. Keep the faith I sincerely hope so but this reminds me of Keith Curles Tenure great up to Christmas then went months without picking up many points - don't get wrong I want Macca to succeed as he is a genuine guy but it seems the rigours of Management over a full season tells- can I compare us to Macclesfield who similar budget have strengthened and are charging forward - I'm not expecting a Burr spree but it's bloody obvious we needed a couple of loan signings to strengthen and freshen things up - to say he is happy with what he has is foolish and shows inexperience - hopefully he will learn Can you afford to pay him off come May? Carry on with this run and he'll be hounded out |
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Feb 11, 2017 19:47:06 GMT
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Post by MPW on Feb 11, 2017 19:47:06 GMT
I sincerely hope so but this reminds me of Keith Curles Tenure great up to Christmas then went months without picking up many points - don't get wrong I want Macca to succeed as he is a genuine guy but it seems the rigours of Management over a full season tells- can I compare us to Macclesfield who similar budget have strengthened and are charging forward - I'm not expecting a Burr spree but it's bloody obvious we needed a couple of loan signings to strengthen and freshen things up - to say he is happy with what he has is foolish and shows inexperience - hopefully he will learn Can you afford to pay him off come May? Carry on with this run and he'll be hounded out You're the experts! |
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Post by sirfred on Feb 11, 2017 19:56:54 GMT
Can you afford to pay him off come May? Carry on with this run and he'll be hounded out You're the experts! No not an expert but a paying customer and I am giving my opinion - we have gone to seed since Christmas and it needs addressing - I can honestly say I'm not enjoying watching Chester of late to be honest it's shite- but I want us to play good football- today and recently we played like an away team lack of passion lack of ambition with 1 solitary striker it's just not good enough - if we played 3 up top went for it and lost then fair enough - but giving these teams too much respect and rolling over then No - |
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Feb 11, 2017 20:07:33 GMT
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Post by franksalot on Feb 11, 2017 20:07:33 GMT
Don't have a problem with macca at all and the side have shown over the course of the season what he and they are capable of. The problem now appears that with a very young and small squad the season is catching up on some players.
That said going back to basics and a 4-4-2 with Alabi and someone to support him and offer more movement up front and a different type of threat , and some width.
at the end of the day it wasn't losing today , it was the nature of the defeat , and whether it is the players fault or macca or both for the performance I'd like to think they're both as keen to put it right as we are for them to get it right
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Feb 11, 2017 20:26:02 GMT
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Post by soulseal on Feb 11, 2017 20:26:02 GMT
I don't get the freefall attitude.
A 46 game season has its ups and downs. We are certainly on a down at the moment. Today didn't work and Macca will have noted that.
We must play a creative player up with Alabi, and Shaw must come back into centre midfield. I don't understand why Mahon is not getting more game time as he carries such a threat. I suspect Lloyd is not fully recovered on today's performance.
We will click again and get some results under our belt, but Maccas biggest job now is to prepare for next season so we have a better team.
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Post by Quakers on Feb 11, 2017 21:12:46 GMT
My point exactly we should be preparing now for next season as well but my concern is do we have the necessary knowledge and scouting system to identify these players because on recent loan signings or lack of it doesn't seem so
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 12:46:57 GMT
I don't get the freefall attitude. A 46 game season has its ups and downs. We are certainly on a down at the moment. Today didn't work and Macca will have noted that. We must play a creative player up with Alabi, and Shaw must come back into centre midfield. I don't understand why Mahon is not getting more game time as he carries such a threat. I suspect Lloyd is not fully recovered on today's performance. We will click again and get some results under our belt, but Maccas biggest job now is to prepare for next season so we have a better team.I agree + he has to find a way of motivating the players for the remainder of the season and rebuilding confidence that was severely lacking yesterday. I actually used the phrase "are they on the beach already?" yesterday - IN FEB? |
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Feb 12, 2017 13:22:29 GMT
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Post by sqzl on Feb 12, 2017 13:22:29 GMT
First of all, the first 10 minutes we played them off the field and Shaw should have scored. At 2-0 I think we'd have won the game and it would have been different. Joyce wasn't as bad as he's been made out to be, he was certainly no worse than any of the other midfielders second half.
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Feb 12, 2017 13:54:35 GMT
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Post by Uninvited on Feb 12, 2017 13:54:35 GMT
First of all, the first 10 minutes we played them off the field and Shaw should have scored. At 2-0 I think we'd have won the game and it would have been different. Joyce wasn't as bad as he's been made out to be, he was certainly no worse than any of the other midfielders second half. Shaw missed before we scored - had Shaw have scored We might not have scored the 2nd, as the game restarts from the centre and is then totally different from what we actually saw. |
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