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Post by blue4life on Feb 13, 2017 11:47:08 GMT
Why not start a trial with a run of games starting with the remaining home games this season otherwise we'll be down to 1500.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 11:53:30 GMT
If someone had the time to put together a proper case for it, and emailed it to Mark Maguire I think this would be a real possibility. We have nothing to lose, there must have been what, 400 on the Mac on Saturday, say 3/4 adults? So 300 £5's lost = £1500. It would need to bring down 150 extra people to cover itself?
I think with a good poster advocating that we are a community club and believe this is how we should be leading from the front, which we as supporters can really get behind and promote, then this should be attainable?
Keep doing what were doing, and we will keep slowly regressing. Jim and Andy are doing great with the kids (hopefully with some form of data capture and future offers via a basic CRM system), but the teens/20s are where we need to concentrate. They are our future board members, owners and parents.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 13, 2017 11:56:44 GMT
If someone had the time to put together a proper case for it, and emailed it to Mark Maguire I think this would be a real possibility. We have nothing to lose, there must have been what, 400 on the Mac on Saturday, say 3/4 adults? So 300 £5's lost = £1500. It would need to bring down 150 extra people to cover itself? As someone's said though, it may encourage people who usually pay £18 to sit to go in the McNally. Not trying to be negative. I'd applaud any efforts but it needs to be carefully thought through.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 12:00:52 GMT
It may do, but I think we'd all be surprised. I think people who pay £18 now to sit would seldom change because of that. Now if we were to introduce a £10 sitting area, that would be a whole different matter. I've moved over to the West Stand for the Dad and Lad ticket, despite it only being £2. Yes, I am that tight. (actually more to do with the sun, and the fact we can sit where we want!).
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Feb 13, 2017 12:04:25 GMT
I've heard a few times that a lot of people that used to go on the Harry Mac have now gone into the East Stand, and the £10 terrace would get them back behind the goal, but I don't see why that is ? They've obviously moved from the Harry Mac to the stands for a reason other than Money as it's always been dearer to sit down than stand up anyway, so surely there motivation for making such a move wasn't the cost in the 1st place.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 12:23:54 GMT
If someone had the time to put together a proper case for it, and emailed it to Mark Maguire I think this would be a real possibility. We have nothing to lose, there must have been what, 400 on the Mac on Saturday, say 3/4 adults? So 300 £5's lost = £1500. It would need to bring down 150 extra people to cover itself? As someone's said though, it may encourage people who usually pay £18 to sit to go in the McNally. Not trying to be negative. I'd applaud any efforts but it needs to be carefully thought through. I'm all for any attempt to get more people in and I'm sure suggestions are taken seriously - after all, it's in everybody's interests. But, as a fan-owned club we can't afford for any scheme to fail because we haven't the means to make up a shortfall if it does e.g no benefactor and limited revenue generating options. Problem is, therefore, how much risk are we prepared to take given, of course, there is absolutely no guarantee that any scheme would succeed. That is why we really need to think things through rather than making an impulsive, reactionary decision
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Post by volunteer on Feb 13, 2017 12:40:09 GMT
Some volunteers putting out and removing the covers said that although they were passionate supporters who would help in anyway they could, they couldn't afford to attend every match. I have been in that position myself in the past and that's why I would support a £10 charge for the HM at least for a trial period.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Feb 13, 2017 13:08:34 GMT
Some volunteers putting out and removing the covers said that although they were passionate supporters who would help in anyway they could, they couldn't afford to attend every match. I have been in that position myself in the past and that's why I would support a £10 charge for the HM at least for a trial period. And that should be the real point of the TPT. We already have good offers for youngsters, teens and the like but we really need to reach out to the worse off of Our City and Our wider Community to get them involved with Our Club. That's what I envisage any TPT would be for - those who can't afford much more every other week. Yes, we need to avoid losing considerable finances but we need to bring about more of a balance when it comes to inclusivity and community. How can we profess to be an inclusive, community club when we are pricing out the JAMs, the OnlyJAMs or the even lesser off?
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Post by waggoner2 on Feb 13, 2017 13:17:19 GMT
Bradfords season tickets cost £149 for adults this season, which works out an average of £6.50 per game, why can't we do this,fill the ground, get money in before the season to build a decent squad instead of having a half empty ground week in week out, and the more people that buy will buy food, drink etc each home game, and with not having to pay £15/18 each week they will have money to spend, not rocket science is it Because the crowds would pretty much stay as they are but the club would suffer a serious drop in revenue. As for people buying food, i think the caterers pay a flat rate to be in the ground, i'm not sure we make anything above that.
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Post by Dodge on Feb 13, 2017 13:54:00 GMT
If someone had the time to put together a proper case for it, and emailed it to Mark Maguire I think this would be a real possibility. We have nothing to lose, there must have been what, 400 on the Mac on Saturday, say 3/4 adults? So 300 £5's lost = £1500. It would need to bring down 150 extra people to cover itself? I think with a good poster advocating that we are a community club and believe this is how we should be leading from the front, which we as supporters can really get behind and promote, then this should be attainable? Keep doing what were doing, and we will keep slowly regressing. Jim and Andy are doing great with the kids (hopefully with some form of data capture and future offers via a basic CRM system), but the teens/20s are where we need to concentrate. They are our future board members, owners and parents. I asked this very question of Mark Maguire on the Q&A and he said outright no.
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Post by catfordbags on Feb 13, 2017 13:54:00 GMT
I'm all for it ... think it needs to be aimed at pay on the day people and I accept it is a gamble.
One idea to mitigate this risk is to look at the overall revenue that the Harry Mac generates over a season. Then the tricky bit ... try and find a sponsor to underwrite that revenue .. the ten pound terrace sponsored by *************** . If the overall revenue is maintained then the sponsor gets that advertising for free. If the revenue drops slightly then the sponsor makes up the shortfall. Win win ?
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Post by iandychesterfc on Feb 13, 2017 15:04:25 GMT
You want to be able to say it's a tenner to watch chester to people. get them in and at least you have a chance of creating new regulars or enticing the lost 500 back.
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Post by steveo1 on Feb 13, 2017 19:12:27 GMT
If someone had the time to put together a proper case for it, and emailed it to Mark Maguire I think this would be a real possibility. We have nothing to lose, there must have been what, 400 on the Mac on Saturday, say 3/4 adults? So 300 £5's lost = £1500. It would need to bring down 150 extra people to cover itself? I think with a good poster advocating that we are a community club and believe this is how we should be leading from the front, which we as supporters can really get behind and promote, then this should be attainable? Keep doing what were doing, and we will keep slowly regressing. Jim and Andy are doing great with the kids (hopefully with some form of data capture and future offers via a basic CRM system), but the teens/20s are where we need to concentrate. They are our future board members, owners and parents. I asked this very question of Mark Maguire on the Q&A and he said outright no. I like Mark Maguire, he speaks well and done a lot of positive work thus far. The crowd and atmosphere was awful Saturday even with 500 kids. It came across on the television terribly watching it back. The problem we have is if we don't do something or try something different then we are going to see gates continue to go down. Unless we have a miracle we definitely will record our lowest average gate since reforming which is a major concern when we are having our best season for a long while. Average attendance over the years. Season 1 2382 Season 2 2789 Season 3 2579 Season 4 2366 Season 5 2189 Season 6 2199 ]Season 7 so far 1857. The most alarming here is our average is down by nearly a 1000 to 5 seasons ago, we would have had less away crowds then as well. Grewt to see some of the lads sorting ways to make the HarryMac a more atmospheric terrace, but we really need more people in one way or the other.
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Post by Helsby Blue on Feb 13, 2017 19:15:42 GMT
I'm all for it ... think it needs to be aimed at pay on the day people and I accept it is a gamble. One idea to mitigate this risk is to look at the overall revenue that the Harry Mac generates over a season. Then the tricky bit ... try and find a sponsor to underwrite that revenue .. the ten pound terrace sponsored by *************** . If the overall revenue is maintained then the sponsor gets that advertising for free. If the revenue drops slightly then the sponsor makes up the shortfall. Win win ? This is the only way it is feasible, offsetting the loss of revenue and believe me it will be a loss as the slight increase in numbers wont make up for the loss of revenue be underpinned by a financial backer who sponsors the initiative.
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Post by bonecrusher on Feb 13, 2017 19:58:35 GMT
Some volunteers putting out and removing the covers said that although they were passionate supporters who would help in anyway they could, they couldn't afford to attend every match. I have been in that position myself in the past and that's why I would support a £10 charge for the HM at least for a trial period. I hope they got a ticket for the game by way of thanks for putting the covers out. Seems only fair that.
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Post by richard on Feb 13, 2017 21:12:37 GMT
I'm a massive supporter of the Ten Pound Terrace idea but the upfront season ticket payment suggestion will not solve the problem as the sort of people we felt would benefit from a Ten Pound Terrace will or be able to afford it if done in that way. It's about inclusivity, community and returning to our roots of reformation. You always get the feeling that as long as the elite in the LL are looked after, the plebs can take care of themselves and that's wrong. Unfair comment about the LL membership Mancot. To be clear I don't know one member who would class themselves as elite. I've been a member for many years and I have also sponsored dozens of balls and match day magazines as have many of my fellow members. It's not cheap, but it's the way we choose to spend our hard earned money. With regards to the spend on the lounge alterations. It made sense to change the lounge layout to facilitate more diners and sponsorship. I can't comment on the return on the spend, but I would guess it has paid for itself by now. Moving on to the main point of this interesting thread, a £10 terrace would, on the face of it make sense if the principle of lower costs would guarantee a higher uptake in ticket sales. Generally it does not. Gates are not elastic when it comes to pricing. That said, as a community club, we should dare to be different and try to generate more interest in the terrace to make a statement about what we stand for, particularly when we could use such pricing initiatives to encourage more youngsters and teens to get into the habit of supporting the Blues
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 13, 2017 21:19:14 GMT
I'm a massive supporter of the Ten Pound Terrace idea but the upfront season ticket payment suggestion will not solve the problem as the sort of people we felt would benefit from a Ten Pound Terrace will or be able to afford it if done in that way. It's about inclusivity, community and returning to our roots of reformation. You always get the feeling that as long as the elite in the LL are looked after, the plebs can take care of themselves and that's wrong. Unfair comment about the LL membership Mancot. To be clear I don't know one member who would class themselves as elite. I've been a member for many years and I have also sponsored dozens of balls and match day magazines as have many of my fellow members. It's not cheap, but it's the way we choose to spend our hard earned money. With regards to the spend on the lounge alterations. It made sense to change the lounge layout to facilitate more diners and sponsorship. I can't comment on the return on the spend, but I would guess it has paid for itself by now. Moving on to the main point of this interesting thread, a £10 terrace would, on the face of it make sense if the principle of lower costs would guarantee a higher uptake in ticket sales. Generally it does not. Gates are not elastic when it comes to pricing. That said, as a community club, we should dare to be different and try to generate more interest in the terrace to make a statement about what we stand for, particularly when we could use such pricing initiatives to encourage more youngsters and teens to get into the habit of supporting the Blues Well done for putting a lot of money towards the club. 👏
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Post by Alan on Feb 13, 2017 21:54:59 GMT
As some have alluded too, during the recent Twitter Q&A, Mark Maguire spoke about the reluctance to try and offer cheap tickets as a way of enticing supporters in. Unfortunately to just offer a "£10 terrace" is easier said than done. By offering a blanket £10 offering in the terrace, there is no guarantee that we make any more money from this. Yes, we are a community focused club, and this remains at the forefront of how we wish to approach things; Saturday's Community Trust driven initiative has been well received and a lot of positive feedback has been generated despite the result, but we have to remain self sufficient and sensible. As it stands, there is a £10 terrace offer in place for those between the ages of 17-21 and for concessions and unemployed it is £12 - Current ticket prices. There is a real balancing act to be followed. For example, to save £8 per game, how many would move over to the terrace. From when we did the free ticket initiatives of the past, we know that usual full paying supporters would take up this offer and move to the south stand for one game. Where is the value in this for us to remain a) sustainable and b) competitive? One game last season when we offered free tickets, 300 people took up the offer but only £52 was taken through the kiosk. We can talk about the long term gains, but the reality is most just wanted to watch a football game for free. The work of Jim Green and the Community Trust remains integral and I believe how they engage with kids is far more important and viable, than us just throwing free tickets around. The terrace also only offers a capacity of around 1,100. So what would happen if we needed to turn people away or force them to spend £18 to seat in one of the other stands? No great for our reputation or what we are trying to do. As has been mentioned, I will personally donate £20 to the fund to raise money for flags etc on the Harry McNally as I believe this is also integral to re-invigorating interest. If people can see that regardless of what is happening on the pitch, we are getting behind the players positively, this will add to the experience. In football, some games are won and some games are lost, it's how as supporters and owners we react, and by creating a positive matchday experience, this goes along way to doing this. What it important now is how we market ourselves; we could do MUCH MORE to advertise the fact we offer a £10 ticket, and the season ticket campaign will be a massive part of how we get people onboard. Like many, I have supported this club through the darkest times. Players not being paid, water bills not being paid, coach companies not being paid, relegation, bankruptcy etc etc, but there is no way I would even consider whether my support would waiver because we are not out there spending money we don't have, or because we are on this drop in form, even if I wasn't on the board. This is a team that only this season lost 1 league game in 18 and during that went 7 games on the bounce without conceding a goal. How can any of us give up on what we have? I will continue to implore everybody to play their part. Share posts, share ticket information, i.e. Tranmere, share who we are and what we are. On Thursday we will be holding our monthly CFU meeting. I would encourage any CFU members who can get to the ground, to do it. If you can't, email neil.bellis@chesterfc.com for access to the live weblink - We continue to be the only football club in the country to offer this for and kind of fans' forum. For those who are not CFU members, from 1st March (renewal date) join here, pay £12, and get 15 months for the price of 12. You will have a direct say in how this club runs, have a chance to do exactly what I am doing now, and more importantly, show that Chester Football Club are here today because we showed strength in numbers back in 2010 and believe in our football club. Many thanks, Alan
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Post by paulcrossleyshair on Feb 13, 2017 23:03:49 GMT
As some have alluded too, during the recent Twitter Q&A, Mark Maguire spoke about the reluctance to try and offer cheap tickets as a way of enticing supporters in. Unfortunately to just offer a "£10 terrace" is easier said than done. By offering a blanket £10 offering in the terrace, there is no guarantee that we make any more money from this. Yes, we are a community focused club, and this remains at the forefront of how we wish to approach things; Saturday's Community Trust driven initiative has been well received and a lot of positive feedback has been generated despite the result, but we have to remain self sufficient and sensible. As it stands, there is a £10 terrace offer in place for those between the ages of 17-21 and for concessions and unemployed it is £12 - Current ticket prices. There is a real balancing act to be followed. For example, to save £8 per game, how many would move over to the terrace. From when we did the free ticket initiatives of the past, we know that usual full paying supporters would take up this offer and move to the south stand for one game. Where is the value in this for us to remain a) sustainable and b) competitive? One game last season when we offered free tickets, 300 people took up the offer but only £52 was taken through the kiosk. We can talk about the long term gains, but the reality is most just wanted to watch a football game for free. The work of Jim Green and the Community Trust remains integral and I believe how they engage with kids is far more important and viable, than us just throwing free tickets around. The terrace also only offers a capacity of around 1,100. So what would happen if we needed to turn people away or force them to spend £18 to seat in one of the other stands? No great for our reputation or what we are trying to do. As has been mentioned, I will personally donate £20 to the fund to raise money for flags etc on the Harry McNally as I believe this is also integral to re-invigorating interest. If people can see that regardless of what is happening on the pitch, we are getting behind the players positively, this will add to the experience. In football, some games are won and some games are lost, it's how as supporters and owners we react, and by creating a positive matchday experience, this goes along way to doing this. What it important now is how we market ourselves; we could do MUCH MORE to advertise the fact we offer a £10 ticket, and the season ticket campaign will be a massive part of how we get people onboard. Like many, I have supported this club through the darkest times. Players not being paid, water bills not being paid, coach companies not being paid, relegation, bankruptcy etc etc, but there is no way I would even consider whether my support would waiver because we are not out there spending money we don't have, or because we are on this drop in form, even if I wasn't on the board. This is a team that only this season lost 1 league game in 18 and during that went 7 games on the bounce without conceding a goal. How can any of us give up on what we have? I will continue to implore everybody to play their part. Share posts, share ticket information, i.e. Tranmere, share who we are and what we are. On Thursday we will be holding our monthly CFU meeting. I would encourage any CFU members who can get to the ground, to do it. If you can't, email neil.bellis@chesterfc.com for access to the live weblink - We continue to be the only football club in the country to offer this for and kind of fans' forum. For those who are not CFU members, from 1st March (renewal date) join here, pay £12, and get 15 months for the price of 12. You will have a direct say in how this club runs, have a chance to do exactly what I am doing now, and more importantly, show that Chester Football Club are here today because we showed strength in numbers back in 2010 and believe in our football club. Many thanks, Alan Hi Alan, Thanks for the clarity. I'd love to meet with you and discuss my thoughts for the Season Ticket initiative if you have the time. Many thanks
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Post by iandychesterfc on Feb 14, 2017 14:01:49 GMT
Agree with what others said, the season tickets are not the issue, as they have remained stable. The issue is the POTG fans and the main activity in my view should be surveying the chester / E.port / Flintshire public and finding out WHY they don't attend. If you find out the reason people dont attend you can at least have some form of strategy to address the issues raised - and it might not be cost.
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Post by whopper1 on Mar 16, 2017 19:26:47 GMT
Bradfords season tickets cost £149 for adults this season, which works out an average of £6.50 per game, why can't we do this,fill the ground, get money in before the season to build a decent squad instead of having a half empty ground week in week out, and the more people that buy will buy food, drink etc each home game, and with not having to pay £15/18 each week they will have money to spend, not rocket science is it I see this has been brought up in the Bradford thread,surely we should try it
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Post by MPW on Mar 16, 2017 21:15:04 GMT
I think that something like this should be seriously considered, but pay on the gate and not just season tickets because that won't bring in the floating fans.
We should also be aiming to entice more youngsters because they are our future.
I know one Mark Maguire says that occasional free entries or reduced entry doesn't work, but Eastleigh have done it a few times and have boosted their gates a lot despite having a poor home record.
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Post by Sealand Road Veteran on Mar 17, 2017 7:20:06 GMT
Ive said this for years on the old DC the club need to do a loyalty scheme to entice people into getting Season Tickets every year, and if they keep buying consecutive STs 1st year normal price 2nd year 10% discount 3rd year 15% discount 4th year 20%discount Then as long as they keep purchasing consecutively they continue to get 20% discount It would be a great incentive for people to keep getting ST and the club get more money up front For the POTG fans maybe have cards a bit like in coffee shops where they get stamped when you enter, say for every 4 consecutive games you pay for you get one for £5 on terrace and £10 in the stands or something like that
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Post by Deva93 on Mar 17, 2017 7:33:35 GMT
Sounds great from a fans point of view but would it make sense financialy from the clubs point of view, i suppose they could try it out for a few games and see what we get.
Out of curiosity what do other teams in the league charge ?
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Post by billyw on Mar 17, 2017 7:58:19 GMT
Ive said this for years on the old DC the club need to do a loyalty scheme to entice people into getting Season Tickets every year, and if they keep buying consecutive STs 1st year normal price 2nd year 10% discount 3rd year 15% discount 4th year 20%discount Then as long as they keep purchasing consecutively they continue to get 20% discount It would be a great incentive for people to keep getting ST and the club get more money up front For the POTG fans maybe have cards a bit like in coffee shops where they get stamped when you enter, say for every 4 consecutive games you pay for you get one for £5 on terrace and £10 in the stands or something like that A pragmatic view would be that the supporters who buy season tickets year after year will continue to do so whether or not they get an incentive, because of their love for the club. It is people who don't attend games that we need to be attracting
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Post by Sealand Road Veteran on Mar 17, 2017 8:45:25 GMT
I get what your saying, just trying to be positive far too many people being negative, I'm thinking long term strategy to bring in and keep supporters, maybe even do an offer for people who have not had STs before, free child ST or a voucher for the club shop when you buy a ST
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Post by Manchester Blue on Mar 17, 2017 10:34:06 GMT
I like the idea of a Loyalty Scheme but in my experience Companies don't give anything away for free. The cost of the scheme has to be absorbed somewhere else so there is no financial impact on the company.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Mar 17, 2017 13:27:06 GMT
I'd fully endorse the £10 terrace ticket, but we need to market the hell out of it to ensure that it grabs the attention of the floating voter. I would also make it an online exclusive price so that the club can capture the data and then continue to market the hell out of the club.
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Post by Krankie's Ghost on Mar 17, 2017 13:38:01 GMT
The most loyal fans - the STH will pay what we have to pay.
Reducing ST is utter madness.
Having a terrace for those on low incomes (as a community club should) is the way to get more people in the Deva. As someone said - "watch Chester from only £10" gets people over the threshold who may then become £18 payers or STH. We need to get people in.
We need to dare to be different.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 14:04:30 GMT
I think something like this should be trialled during a week where we have a game Saturday and then Tuesday.
I know I won't be attending both games, can't justify paying £30+ just for myself when I have other financial commitments, especially at this time of year.
Also, I prefer to sit but if the club did run a TPT I'd stand if it meant saving £8 and I feel a few would feel the same which would negate running the offer. It'd be great to see club run initiatives to attract new fans but I get why they have to be careful, running the risk of current fans taking advantage of the offer.
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