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Post by iandychesterfc on Dec 4, 2017 7:18:07 GMT
For balance should point out he signed 2 defenders first in RHJ and Gough who instantly made us better. RHJ injury caused by the joke that is Andy Halls has knocked us back a few steps.
The club needed fresh blood, on no money, I can't see how Barrow would have produced that tbf.
A back 4 with no cover of Halls, Astles, McCombe and LRT couldn't continue, irrespective of the manager.
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Post by billyw on Dec 4, 2017 8:43:46 GMT
But he's right Danny. The great man WAS interviewed. So him putting FACT in capitals, does make it right cause it happened. Still waiting for proof You seem to brown-nose Maguire, why don't you ask him. Looks like you're feeling a bit pissed off that you don't know everything that goes on at the club. Anyway I know it's FACT you can please yourself what you believe. |
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 4, 2017 8:59:59 GMT
Jeez how many times - Barrow DID apply and WAS interviewed. FACT. Source? Other than a whiney bitter “journalist”. When was Barrow interviewed? I think that was wishful thinking by the anti-MB brigade. Not sure whether to write FACT as some people do. |
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Post by billyw on Dec 4, 2017 9:04:20 GMT
Source? Other than a whiney bitter “journalist”. When was Barrow interviewed? I think that was wishful thinking by the anti-MB brigade. Not sure whether to write FACT as some people do. It's no skin off my nose what you believe - just carry on living in ignorance. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Dec 4, 2017 9:22:53 GMT
If GB was interviewed and as someone on here has pointed out that it was only a very short interview, maybe he was offered the job but with £x as the salary and GB turned that down.
MB was then the "Successful candidate" for the role as he ticked most of the boxes including the salary one.
Anyone who runs a business knows you can do anything with money, but without it you have to compromise.
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Post by trublu on Dec 4, 2017 9:28:16 GMT
Couldn’t get in front of the TV last night I was out and about so listened to Fylde v Wigan on Radio Manchester. Graham Barrow was the match co-commentator/summariser. Bignot must have put in some interview to beat him to the job! His knowledge of Fylde and the Conference was extremely impressive but his understanding of the game and what should and shouldn’t happen was even more so. He called it perfectly, analytically, tactically and understood the game from start to finish. A very impressive intuitive contribution Sorry, but somehow I think we (Mr MaGuire) made an error on this appointment, bit like McCarthy’s massive contract. Agreed. At the risk of sounding like Whopper I've said before that both Bignot and McCarthy were appointed because they were a fit with the ethos of the club. Give me someone like Barrow any day. A very interesting point to bring up. Surely the club needs to separate the football from the rest of the ethos. Have a community business which operates sustainably to make a positive impact on the local area, but if you are running a football team then let it run as a football team. Hire the best manager for the job, not someone who's willing to be a part time community worker. Youve got a whole set up capable of doing that side of things. Not sure if you are right that thats been put foremost or not. But if you are right, then it's a huge mistake on the part of the club. I still feel MB is doing the best possible in the circumstances. His 2 best defenders' weakness is their pace and they each compound the others problem. That's the major problem with the team that makes it difficult to judge MB just yet. |
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Post by billyw on Dec 4, 2017 9:57:30 GMT
Agreed. At the risk of sounding like Whopper I've said before that both Bignot and McCarthy were appointed because they were a fit with the ethos of the club. Give me someone like Barrow any day. A very interesting point to bring up. Surely the club needs to separate the football from the rest of the ethos. Have a community business which operates sustainably to make a positive impact on the local area, but if you are running a football team then let it run as a football team. Hire the best manager for the job, not someone who's willing to be a part time community worker. Youve got a whole set up capable of doing that side of things. Not sure if you are right that thats been put foremost or not. But if you are right, then it's a huge mistake on the part of the club. I still feel MB is doing the best possible in the circumstances. His 2 best defenders' weakness is their pace and they each compound the others problem. That's the major problem with the team that makes it difficult to judge MB just yet. Spot on. |
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Post by rcb on Dec 4, 2017 10:01:27 GMT
All interviews are rigged. That’s the whole reason for interviews. They are a chosen method of trying to get the “best fit” in terms of what is the best person for the job. Unfortunately we don’t know what the “job” was at the time of the interviews. IF Maguire desperately wanted Bignot for the job, as several have suggested, then the job criteria could have been biased in favour of Bignot’s skills and experiences, in which case other candidates would have had little chance.
From my perspective I know what I wanted for the job and it doesn’t look like what is being delivered is anything like what I wanted. It has been suggested that a certain “ethos” for the club is of prime importance. I’m not sure what that ethos is, but anything which lowers the success of the first team does not fit with my ethos. I I would be much happier to deliver a successful first team to 2500 + appreciative fans than a mystical super ethos to 1500 fans, and dwindling. What we currently have is not sustainable at this level of the football pyramid, and that doesn’t fit with the mission set when the club was relaunched in 2010. I bought into that vision, but no longer want to buy into what is currently on offer. I hope that the dwindling numbers who like what exists now are very happy with their lot. All the best for the future. I, like the other 1000, will go the route so politely suggested, and just sod off.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 4, 2017 10:43:35 GMT
Why must everyone who withdraws their support make a big song and dance about doing so?
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Post by dmcnally on Dec 4, 2017 11:48:20 GMT
You seem to brown-nose Maguire, why don't you ask him. Looks like you're feeling a bit pissed off that you don't know everything that goes on at the club. Anyway I know it's FACT you can please yourself what you believe. Not pissed off at all as I prefer MB anyway. GB didn’t get interviewed and you all seem to be crying about it. Lol. |
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Post by rcb on Dec 4, 2017 11:48:59 GMT
Why must everyone who withdraws their support make a big song and dance about doing so? Your answer is in the question. It is a big deal...or song and dance in your choice of words. |
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Post by dmcnally on Dec 4, 2017 11:49:49 GMT
Bignot was not appointed because of this ethos shite. Jesus. GB wouldve been here for a few months and off into retirement leaving us with another appointment to make. Dodged a bullet.
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Post by dmcnally on Dec 4, 2017 11:52:52 GMT
Why? It's not as though we've gone out and stopped conceding soft goals is it!? We can't keep clean sheets or defend a lead against 10 men so Bignot's answer is to look at another forward.. This is the problem I have with Marcus. When you come into a struggling g side you've got to first off, make us hard to beat, strengthen us defensively then address the rest of it after. Marcus has come in, signed 2 keepers, 3 forwards, 1 centre back and no wingers in a side with no natural width and already top heavy with forwards with just 2 recognised centre backs on the books. So before you laugh at others, take a look in the mirror at your cringe worthy public backing of Bignot before the interviews. THAT was cringeworthy. Don't need to justify yourself to him pal. Anything that is posted slightly against MM (in this case, a supportive post about an unsuccessful candidate) and his love child pounces on it with an arrogant attitude towards an opinion. For what it's worth I still think Bignot is the right man to build something for the future and attempt to get us back into the Conference within a couple of years, whereas this lad doesn't know what he thinks - he just thinks what MM tells him to think. Do you need some tissues? Deary me 😂 you’re pathetic |
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Post by billyw on Dec 4, 2017 12:03:03 GMT
But he's right Danny. The great man WAS interviewed. So him putting FACT in capitals, does make it right cause it happened. Still waiting for proof I can prove it - can you prove that he wasn't. |
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Post by rcb on Dec 4, 2017 12:20:28 GMT
Bignot was not appointed because of this ethos shite. Jesus. GB wouldve been here for a few months and off into retirement leaving us with another appointment to make. Dodged a bullet. So there we have it. Such a knowledgable person, and no bias whatsoever. Seems Maguire runs everything passed you first. “Shite and Jesus” side by side. What an intellectual you are. Your statement missed the important bit. I think it should have read, ““GB wouldve been here for a few months and off into retirement leaving us in the National League but with another appointment to make.” |
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 4, 2017 12:21:45 GMT
When was Barrow interviewed? I think that was wishful thinking by the anti-MB brigade. Not sure whether to write FACT as some people do. It's no skin off my nose what you believe - just carry on living in ignorance. I take it you are a believer in the myth that Barrow applied and was interviewed, Is there any documentary proof that it happened? |
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Post by shango on Dec 4, 2017 12:36:01 GMT
It's no skin off my nose what you believe - just carry on living in ignorance. I take it you are a believer in the myth that Barrow applied and was interviewed, Is there any documentary proof that it happened? Hannibal mate,he wrote FACT in capital letter's.What more proof do you need ffs  He put me right back in my box eh?No explanation of how he know's just the word FACT. The world is flat-FACT....duhhhhh ok then.it must be |
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 4, 2017 12:54:52 GMT
He's an ultracrepidarian FACT
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Post by Derry Blue on Dec 4, 2017 13:23:57 GMT
I take it you are a believer in the myth that Barrow applied and was interviewed, Is there any documentary proof that it happened? Hannibal mate,he wrote FACT in capital letter's.What more proof do you need ffs He put me right back in my box eh?No explanation of how he know's just the word FACT. The world is flat-FACT....duhhhhh ok then.it must be Great contribution to the 'chat'. I can barely contain my excitement as I wait for your next insightful contribution. FACT. |
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Post by shango on Dec 4, 2017 13:38:51 GMT
Hannibal mate,he wrote FACT in capital letter's.What more proof do you need ffs He put me right back in my box eh?No explanation of how he know's just the word FACT. The world is flat-FACT....duhhhhh ok then.it must be Great contribution to the 'chat'. I can barely contain my excitement as I wait for your next insightful contribution. FACT. Thanks for taking the time to reply and quote me mate.Your sterling contribution will not go unrecognised. Do you have any FACT'S to bring to said chat?If so i'm all ear's. If Billy is right,great.But give us some evidence at least. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Dec 4, 2017 13:48:22 GMT
Great contribution to the 'chat'. I can barely contain my excitement as I wait for your next insightful contribution. FACT. Thanks for taking the time to reply and quote me mate.Your sterling contribution will not go unrecognised. Do you have any FACT'S to bring to said chat?If so i'm all ear's. If Billy is right,great.But give us some evidence at least. I don't have any facts to add to the debate, nor do I suspect do many others. So I tend not to contribute except when someone seems ......... |
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Post by shango on Dec 4, 2017 15:05:55 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to reply and quote me mate.Your sterling contribution will not go unrecognised. Do you have any FACT'S to bring to said chat?If so i'm all ear's. If Billy is right,great.But give us some evidence at least. I don't have any facts to add to the debate, nor do I suspect do many others. So I tend not to contribute except when someone seems ......... Ahh come on old boy,there's plenty of people contributing to the thread with no fact's(no name's)  Anyway we've got MB and i'll support him in the uphill struggle he's taken on. |
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Post by Imperial on Dec 4, 2017 15:15:34 GMT
Well this has been productive.
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Post by neutral on Dec 4, 2017 15:26:31 GMT
Wouldn't matter who we appointed with the current squad, paired with injury of some of out few decent players. We are always going to struggle until we get another summer behind us and try to rebuild a team with passion and hunger to win. And if you spoke to Chesterfield fans about his time as assistant there you would get a far less rosy picture. They hold him at least partly responsible for their predicament this season and were well pleased to be rid of him. Not really. He had only been with us for a short period of time. The blame lay with Gary Caldwell and the people above him. |
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Post by neutral on Dec 4, 2017 15:30:28 GMT
He's achieved nothing as a manager since 94. The role of assistant is very different from the role of manager as JM found out. He had a spell here in the early noughties which hardly saw him build on his 'legendary' status and he's just been sacked by Chesterfield for leading them to the bottom of League 2 as assistant. If his impact is as great as you suggest within that role then I would suggest that is a worrying endorsement. People need to take off their rose-tinted glasses. The 'all round nice guy' argument is why we were stuck with JM for as long as we were. Too many supporters and board members bought into that as being a sole indicator of success. I am no fan of MM or the operations board but I would suggest the whole fallacy that it was rigged is a little embarassing. To me, most of the people crying for Barrow are Senior Blues who would have loved a monthly get together with Barrow to reminisce about 'the good old days'. Tarvin Blue, you obviously weren’t aware that Chesterfield offered Graham Barrow their managers job? He wasn’t sacked by them, he left out of loyalty to Gary Caldwell. Kind of epitomises your post really, way, way off the mark. This is correct apart from he was only asked to look after the team during the new manager search. He declined out of loyalty to Caldwell. Barrow will turn up wherever Caldwell does next.
I hope you lot can get it sorted. It can happen. I thought we were as good as a confrence team before Jack Lester was appointed. We may still be bottom but we are on an upward curve. Much more confident now but still hopong for at least 3rd bottom. Good luck Chester.
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Post by Derry Blue on Dec 4, 2017 16:05:19 GMT
I don't have any facts to add to the debate, nor do I suspect do many others. So I tend not to contribute except when someone seems ......... Ahh come on old boy,there's plenty of people contributing to the thread with no fact's(no name's) Anyway we've got MB and i'll support him in the uphill struggle he's taken on. As will I. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Dec 4, 2017 16:23:27 GMT
Ahh come on old boy,there's plenty of people contributing to the thread with no fact's(no name's) Anyway we've got MB and i'll support him in the uphill struggle he's taken on. As will I. Me too and it will be Christmas Day in 21 days FACT ( proof if reqd to be found on my calendar) |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Dec 4, 2017 16:34:01 GMT
We beat Aldershot, FACT.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 4, 2017 18:40:40 GMT
The biggest anti-piracy organisation in the UK is the Federation Against Copyright Theft, FACT.
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Post by southernblue on Dec 4, 2017 19:59:35 GMT
Bignot was not appointed because of this ethos shite. Jesus. GB wouldve been here for a few months and off into retirement leaving us with another appointment to make. Dodged a bullet. You accuse people of not providing evidence and then make a ridiculous assertion like that. You're forgiven though being just a kid, but I would suggest that if you want to contribute something meaningful, and have your arguments taken seriously then a bit of maturity and consistency in your approach wouldn't go amiss. |
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