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Nov 13, 2018 15:11:46 GMT
Post by Lobster on Nov 13, 2018 15:11:46 GMT
Yet the number of non-EU workers is falling at record levels.
Strange, I thought it was immigrants who were taking all our jobs
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BREXIT
Nov 14, 2018 16:08:10 GMT
Post by dirge on Nov 14, 2018 16:08:10 GMT
I voted remain, but realise now that that was a terrible error on my part. We need to get out for no other reason than the EU is an unaccountable gravy train for the few who are elected and that it is unaccountable for the billions it spends and has never been audited.
This isn't true though, it's just a soundbite you've picked up on.
Can you provide any source for this claim?
This is what depresses me most about the whole Brexit farce. I voted remain myself, but there are some good arguments for leaving. Deva Chanter, for example, has articulated some of them well. But the lies and the deceit and the ignorance from the leading idiots on both sides of the argument (Rees Mogg, Johnson, Cameron, Osbourne, take your pick) has led to the debate becoming so toxic. And it's terrifying just how easily stuff that is so demonstrably untrue is allowed to become "fact" because someone in a plummy voice says it. Hannibal, mate, I don't mean to have a go, I'm sure you're a great bloke, you're a Chester fan after all. But your main reason for leaving is because the EU hasn't ever been audited? FFS, you've got google, takes 2 seconds to realise that's just complete nonsense peddled by the millionaire, hedge-fund backing double glazing salesmen that stand to make millions out of Brexit. Look here you go: Has the EU had its accounts signed off?
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Nov 14, 2018 17:52:20 GMT
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Post by Al on Nov 14, 2018 17:52:20 GMT
The circus keeps on going.
Cabinet meeting expected to finish at 5pm then told an hour, possibly 2hrs over now the address to the press has been cancelled completely tonight.
8-10 cabinet members not happy with parts of the text
This is all before it goes to the house of commons to be voted on.
Quite honestly I expect her resignation in the next few days
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Nov 14, 2018 22:55:11 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 14, 2018 22:55:11 GMT
Its quite clear its her Brexit, a no deal or no Brexit at all. Great to see the Conservatives tearing themselves apart. It looks like the DUP, the Brexiteers, The Tory remainers, the Labour Party, the SNP, the Lib Dems are all united against her piss poor deal. Looks like a Genersl Election and/ or another referendum is in the offing.What fun this is turning out to be. Lol
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 15, 2018 6:52:36 GMT
Seeing the Tory bastards implode would be the only positive thing to come out of this sorry affair. Can Not Wait.
#JC4PM
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 15, 2018 9:58:13 GMT
It’s getting that desperate I’m sure a few more Tory resignations might see Derry Blue joining the Cabinet.
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Nov 15, 2018 10:03:26 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 15, 2018 10:03:26 GMT
Ha! Ha! Another day and more Brexit chaos. The tosser Raab and the Secretary for Northern Ireland have re signed already and only 10am. This is so amusing!
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Nov 15, 2018 10:10:06 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 15, 2018 10:10:06 GMT
Mcvay gone now. Looks like she cant get her piss poor deal through her own cabinet. Never mind parliament. The clocks ticking on Brexit and the Tories. Lol
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Nov 15, 2018 18:13:38 GMT
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Post by Al on Nov 15, 2018 18:13:38 GMT
Bit of a mess isn't it... Nearly a year on from the above now and today has shown that it is still an absolute fucking farce. All parties are united against May's Brexit including her own backbenchers. She hasn't got a prayer of passing that in the commons yet she still clings to power.. Surely to god people, leave and remainers alike can agree on the farce this is.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 15, 2018 18:32:15 GMT
Everyone who backed JC's Brexit strategy deserves huge credit - the Tory self-destruction today proves it.
The Tories were relying on Labour becoming the "Remain party" to split the country. JC's referendum-respecting fence-sitting was a legit political masterstroke.
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Nov 15, 2018 20:19:41 GMT
Post by Lobster on Nov 15, 2018 20:19:41 GMT
Interesting looking on Oddschecker tonight.
Theresa May to leave/step down in 2018 - 4/7
Next Prime Minister - Jeremy Corbyn 5/1 favourite
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Nov 15, 2018 20:45:40 GMT
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Nov 15, 2018 20:45:40 GMT
Interesting looking on Oddschecker tonight. Theresa May to leave/step down in 2018 - 4/7 Next Prime Minister - Jeremy Corbyn 5/1 favourite That was also the case at 1am on the night of the election results 2017. If May were to step down in the near future (I’m virtually certain she won’t - she may face a leadership challenge but I doubt she’ll step down “getting on with the job” etc) who currently could possibly unite the Tory party? I can’t think of many/anyone that can bring together the hugely powerful ERG and the more centre-right tories. The only thing that always made me feel the tories wouldn’t completely implode was the fear of the boogeyman Corbyn getting into number 10. The question is has Theresa May now done what was unthinkable and created a situation which the Tory party would now risk this possibility as they perceive the alternative as worse!
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Post by Lobster on Nov 16, 2018 11:04:55 GMT
I think I would much rather May didn't stand down until an election is held. Appointing someone like, god help us, Boris would be a big vote winner among traditional Tories.
Incompetent Conservatives don't bother me too much. It's the bastards who know what they're doing I worry about!
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Nov 18, 2018 8:07:58 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 18, 2018 8:07:58 GMT
The Tory bastards are really trying to outdo each other with mind-numbing stupidity over Brexit aren't they? First Raab didn't understand how important the Dover-Calais border was, now Nadine Dorries is lambasting her leader for not negotiating having any MEPs after Brexit. She campaigned vehemently FOR Brexit, and is now angry that there won't be any UK Members of European Parliament after we leave.
Absolute mind-numbing stupidity.
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 18, 2018 9:37:30 GMT
The Tory bastards are really trying to outdo each other with mind-numbing stupidity over Brexit aren't they? First Raab didn't understand how important the Dover-Calais border was, now Nadine Dorries is lambasting her leader for not negotiating having any MEPs after Brexit. She campaigned vehemently FOR Brexit, and is now angry that there won't be any UK Members of European Parliament after we leave. Absolute mind-numbing stupidity. People forget that most Tory MPs are as thick as pigshit. It is unfortunate that in this country the average voter cannot see beyond the posh voice and expensive suit.
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Nov 18, 2018 10:46:48 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 18, 2018 10:46:48 GMT
The fantasies of the Brexiteers are being popped one by one. The EU need us more than we need them. The easiest deal in human history. £350 milion for the NHS etc. The hapless May cant even get her piss poor deal through the cabinet, never mind the commons. Mortally wounded by Corbyn she staggers on from one crisis to the next. Debatable which will fall first her or Brexit?
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Nov 18, 2018 15:34:26 GMT
Post by Hannibal on Nov 18, 2018 15:34:26 GMT
This isn't true though, it's just a soundbite you've picked up on.
Can you provide any source for this claim?
This is what depresses me most about the whole Brexit farce. I voted remain myself, but there are some good arguments for leaving. Deva Chanter, for example, has articulated some of them well. But the lies and the deceit and the ignorance from the leading idiots on both sides of the argument (Rees Mogg, Johnson, Cameron, Osbourne, take your pick) has led to the debate becoming so toxic. And it's terrifying just how easily stuff that is so demonstrably untrue is allowed to become "fact" because someone in a plummy voice says it. Hannibal, mate, I don't mean to have a go, I'm sure you're a great bloke, you're a Chester fan after all. But your main reason for leaving is because the EU hasn't ever been audited? FFS, you've got google, takes 2 seconds to realise that's just complete nonsense peddled by the millionaire, hedge-fund backing double glazing salesmen that stand to make millions out of Brexit. Look here you go: Has the EU had its accounts signed off?
Just started to read that and the first thing I read after your comment was proved to be true was that they misuse 4.4% of the budget. How many billions does that equate to?
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Nov 18, 2018 15:57:30 GMT
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Post by Al on Nov 18, 2018 15:57:30 GMT
This is what depresses me most about the whole Brexit farce. I voted remain myself, but there are some good arguments for leaving. Deva Chanter, for example, has articulated some of them well. But the lies and the deceit and the ignorance from the leading idiots on both sides of the argument (Rees Mogg, Johnson, Cameron, Osbourne, take your pick) has led to the debate becoming so toxic. And it's terrifying just how easily stuff that is so demonstrably untrue is allowed to become "fact" because someone in a plummy voice says it. Hannibal, mate, I don't mean to have a go, I'm sure you're a great bloke, you're a Chester fan after all. But your main reason for leaving is because the EU hasn't ever been audited? FFS, you've got google, takes 2 seconds to realise that's just complete nonsense peddled by the millionaire, hedge-fund backing double glazing salesmen that stand to make millions out of Brexit. Look here you go: Has the EU had its accounts signed off?
Just started to read that and the first thing I read after your comment was proved to be true was that they misuse 4.4% of the budget. How many billions does that equate to? You've misread the quote. EU Countries misuse 4.4% of their allocated budget not the EU. Besides your entire argument revolved around the EU not being audited, and you've been proven wrong. Just admit you're wrong. If you read the entire article it goes into detail regarding the types of things that 4.4% has been spent on, mainly infrastructure improvements and projects to stimulate growth in tourism which have failed, not disappearing into someone's back pocket
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Nov 18, 2018 16:42:50 GMT
Post by Hannibal on Nov 18, 2018 16:42:50 GMT
Just started to read that and the first thing I read after your comment was proved to be true was that they misuse 4.4% of the budget. How many billions does that equate to? You've misread the quote. EU Countries misuse 4.4% of their allocated budget not the EU. Besides your entire argument revolved around the EU not being audited, and you've been proven wrong. Just admit you're wrong. If you read the entire article it goes into detail regarding the types of things that 4.4% has been spent on, mainly infrastructure improvements and projects to stimulate growth in tourism which have failed, not disappearing into someone's back pocket What do you think the bit in bold was? To be honest I can't remember where I heard or read about the EU not being audited but I felt at the time that it was genuine.
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Nov 24, 2018 20:08:56 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 24, 2018 20:08:56 GMT
Tories have now thrown Gibraltar under the bus, as well as the good folk of Northern Ireland. How does the United Kingdom diminishing by the day, sit with the flag waving Billy Brexshit Uber-patriots?
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Nov 25, 2018 8:23:38 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 25, 2018 8:23:38 GMT
See how much control we've taken back! We've basically given Gibraltar to Spain.
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 25, 2018 9:59:07 GMT
See how much control we've taken back! We've basically given Gibraltar to Spain. Indeed, and to think that only months ago leading Brexshitter Michael Howard was telling everyone that Theresa May would go to war with Spain over Gibraltar. Yet again the Tories have been exposed as a bunch of bullshitting spivs and as a consequence the country has never been weaker. Still, blue passports and bendy bananas ...
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Nov 25, 2018 15:29:40 GMT
Post by canadianexile on Nov 25, 2018 15:29:40 GMT
To be honest I can't remember where I heard or read about the EU not being audited but I felt at the time that it was genuine. This sort of daft reasoning is how the Brexit vote happened. Demonstrates where the gap between university educated and non-university educated voters comes from.
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 25, 2018 17:53:46 GMT
To be honest I can't remember where I heard or read about the EU not being audited but I felt at the time that it was genuine. This sort of daft reasoning is how the Brexit vote happened. Demonstrates where the gap between university educated and non-university educated voters comes from. Don't be so ridiculous. That's the sort of comment that makes you so detested.
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Nov 25, 2018 18:50:16 GMT
Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 25, 2018 18:50:16 GMT
This sort of daft reasoning is how the Brexit vote happened. Demonstrates where the gap between university educated and non-university educated voters comes from. Don't be so ridiculous. That's the sort of comment that makes you so detested. And these people genuinely think they can win a second referendum campaign. Let's get Tony Blair, Chuka Umunna and Nick Clegg to lead a campaign that just calls all Leave voters uneducated racists who don't like immigrants and bent bananas. That'll do the job. I'm actually convinced that these people don't want to win the arguments. They have absolutely zero understanding of why northern working-class constituencies voted Leave and they don't even care. They're far too wrapped up in their own hubris. Even the name 'People's Vote' is offensively patronising - what was the first one then? An alien's vote? I'm a fairly moderate Brexiteer. I think the principle of a co-operative European federation is a good one but I voted against on the basis of principled reasons which are outlined earlier in this thread. I am exactly the sort of person who these people would need to convince if they were to successfully keep us in the EU. And yet instead, they just make me want to vote Leave even more.
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Nov 25, 2018 20:51:33 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Nov 25, 2018 20:51:33 GMT
Don't be so ridiculous. That's the sort of comment that makes you so detested. And these people genuinely think they can win a second referendum campaign. Let's get Tony Blair, Chuka Umunna and Nick Clegg to lead a campaign that just calls all Leave voters uneducated racists who don't like immigrants and bent bananas. That'll do the job. I'm actually convinced that these people don't want to win the arguments. They have absolutely zero understanding of why northern working-class constituencies voted Leave and they don't even care. They're far too wrapped up in their own hubris. Even the name 'People's Vote' is offensively patronising - what was the first one then? An alien's vote? I'm a fairly moderate Brexiteer. I think the principle of a co-operative European federation is a good one but I voted against on the basis of principled reasons which are outlined earlier in this thread. I am exactly the sort of person who these people would need to convince if they were to successfully keep us in the EU. And yet instead, they just make me want to vote Leave even more. Well said that man.
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Post by Derry Blue on Nov 25, 2018 20:52:27 GMT
This sort of daft reasoning is how the Brexit vote happened. Demonstrates where the gap between university educated and non-university educated voters comes from. Don't be so ridiculous. That's the sort of comment that makes you so detested. I think he wants to be detested.
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Nov 26, 2018 10:34:02 GMT
Post by apburke on Nov 26, 2018 10:34:02 GMT
This may seem a bit off-topic, but I got such a bloody good deal over the weekend that I thought I'd post it on here to tell everyone how clever I am.
I had an old motor, a !992 Renault cv2, red, been OK but the engine was knocking a bit, it cost a fortune to run and the locks were all broken so the neighbours' kids were climbing into it whenever they wanted. You never had the feeling that it would get you where you wanted to go. So down I went to Honest John Junker's car-yard to see if he'd do me a deal on a new one.
'Well' he says to me 'The way it is, I've got a bit of a cash-flow problem. Tell you what, give me 39 thou and I'll sort you something out in a couple of months.'
So I give him the 39 grand and come back a bit later - and sure enough, he's got me a new motor. It's a 1992 Renault 2cv, but this time it's yellow and he says 15mpg's not too bad really and he'll fix the locks when he gets round to it. He needs some more cash whilst I'm running it in, but really it's such a good deal I snatch his hand off. On the way out he says 'Oh I'll keep the registration documents - that's OK isn't it?' I can only say yes - it's only fair.
Anyway, more good news this morning. He phones and says if I want a runabout to go with the motor, come back in the spring and he'll do me another deal. He's got some mates who are keen to do business with me.
I'll be straight there on 30 March 2019.
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 26, 2018 10:50:58 GMT
Don't be so ridiculous. That's the sort of comment that makes you so detested. And these people genuinely think they can win a second referendum campaign. Let's get Tony Blair, Chuka Umunna and Nick Clegg to lead a campaign that just calls all Leave voters uneducated racists who don't like immigrants and bent bananas. That'll do the job. I'm actually convinced that these people don't want to win the arguments. They have absolutely zero understanding of why northern working-class constituencies voted Leave and they don't even care. They're far too wrapped up in their own hubris. Even the name 'People's Vote' is offensively patronising - what was the first one then? An alien's vote? I'm a fairly moderate Brexiteer. I think the principle of a co-operative European federation is a good one but I voted against on the basis of principled reasons which are outlined earlier in this thread. I am exactly the sort of person who these people would need to convince if they were to successfully keep us in the EU. And yet instead, they just make me want to vote Leave even more. Hardly a righteous uprising of the downtrodden proletariat, with Rees-Mogg, Johnson and Farage leading the charge.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 26, 2018 12:35:54 GMT
Don't be so ridiculous. That's the sort of comment that makes you so detested. And these people genuinely think they can win a second referendum campaign. Let's get Tony Blair, Chuka Umunna and Nick Clegg to lead a campaign that just calls all Leave voters uneducated racists who don't like immigrants and bent bananas. That'll do the job. I'm actually convinced that these people don't want to win the arguments. They have absolutely zero understanding of why northern working-class constituencies voted Leave and they don't even care. They're far too wrapped up in their own hubris. Even the name 'People's Vote' is offensively patronising - what was the first one then? An alien's vote? I'm a fairly moderate Brexiteer. I think the principle of a co-operative European federation is a good one but I voted against on the basis of principled reasons which are outlined earlier in this thread. I am exactly the sort of person who these people would need to convince if they were to successfully keep us in the EU. And yet instead, they just make me want to vote Leave even more. Agree I don't like all this 'People's Vote' stuff. Makes me think of Everton! I've lost interest in the Green Party due to their constant rhetoric about it - it's starting to come across that they're just desperate to find something they disagree with Corbyn about.
The ship has sailed now, and it's time to look at the future. It's also time for Remainers to stop calling Leavers stupid and racist, and for Leavers to drop the smarmy "get over it snowflakes, you lost!" crap. I have a feeling we've all lost, it's just that 48% of us already know it!
Ordinary people need to stop having a go at each other. EVERYBODY should be angry at the Conservative government for the dreadful way this has been handled from start to finish. When the next election comes round I imagine their sole slogan will be 'Vote for us or you'll get Corbyn' - even more so than last time - as there really is nothing else they can offer. Tragically, it probably will work.
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