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Oct 23, 2018 14:02:46 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 23, 2018 14:02:46 GMT
Come on then Captain Brexit, two years in and hundreds of posts later you still haven’t explained the positives of Brexit. The floor is yours, we’re all ears..... He can't and its plainly obvious. I have family members who still persist with the better off out line yet get all angry and defensive about it when I ask them to explain why, usually get smart arsed one liner comments like DBs on this thread. I would love nothing more than for a leave voter to explain why they think we're better off out. Thing is, majority are just incapable of doing it without sounding like a complete and utter tw@t*. *in my opinion Most of them are just plastic patriots, full of empty rhetoric and not much else. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 23, 2018 18:44:20 GMT
The thing is for me, having another referendum (Not a second one, because this is different from the first) is democracy. The simple truth is, because it was a binary vote, in real terms there was only a 2% difference in the polls, if it was that close in a by election, there would be a recount. Given the amount of people that voted it is only right that the deal we get is put to the people that asked for it. It may be that some people voted leave and based on the deal we get, change their minds, and vice versa for remainers. The referendum should have 3 three options, leave with the deal that has been finalized(if ever there will be one), leave with No deal, or remain. That really is democracy, it seems to me that the leave campaigners don't wont this because they are scared of the vote, and use the same old rhetoric that leave means leave and the country voted for it, well the fact is, if that is still the case then they shouldn't have anything to worry about then. This is a ludicrous proposition which is designed to keep us in the EU. It is obvious that such a three-way choice would split the Leave vote between the May Deal and the No Deal options and therefore allow the Remain option to win easily. The irony of describing that as real democracy when it is a clear attempt to rig the vote in favour of one option is slightly ironic. If, like the hummus-eating, first-time marching, Waitrose shopping protestors, you are happy to be part of a campaign that is led by Tony Blair, Nick Clegg, Eddie Marsan, Anna Soubry and Chuka Umunna then it really isn't worth even attempting to explain to you why millions of working class people voted Leave. If you don't question keeping company with morally reprehensible carpet-bagging cretins like that, then you are a lost cause as far as I am concerned. |
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Oct 23, 2018 20:21:14 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 23, 2018 20:21:14 GMT
No reprehensible carpet-bagging cretins on the Vote Leave side, no sir.
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Oct 23, 2018 20:56:25 GMT
Post by Mean Machine on Oct 23, 2018 20:56:25 GMT
I'd have so much more confidence leaving the EU with a socialist Labour government running the country, in the interest of its people, than these shambolic Tory cretins. Absolute rubbish, The only thing MPs are interested in are A,lining their own pockets,and B, imposing their own political ideology on the rest of the nation Oh I nearly forgot C, getting re elected and staying on the gravy train a bit longer People need to wake up to the fact that nobody cares about them. Does May, Corbyn, Farage, Johnson, Starmer etc care wether you can afford to put a roof over your head, or food on your table, do they F**K Brexit has just been 2.5 years of utter bull***t spouted by a bunch of utter F**Kwits with nothing better to do Well actually they did have better things to do like sort out the health service, education, housing and the like, but are clearly incapable of doing so, and prefer to argue like a bunch of prepubescent school kids among themselves instead of sorting the country out |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 23, 2018 21:04:17 GMT
No reprehensible carpet-bagging cretins on the Vote Leave side, no sir. Of course there are, even if few of them can quite match the levels of Blair and Clegg. However, as far as I can see, they aren't the ones trying to overturn a democratic mandate. |
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Oct 23, 2018 21:12:53 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 23, 2018 21:12:53 GMT
I'd have so much more confidence leaving the EU with a socialist Labour government running the country, in the interest of its people, than these shambolic Tory cretins. Absolute rubbish, The only thing MPs are interested in are A,lining their own pockets,and B, imposing their own political ideology on the rest of the nation Oh I nearly forgot C, getting re elected and staying on the gravy train a bit longer People need to wake up to the fact that nobody cares about them. Does May, Corbyn, Farage, Johnson, Starmer etc care wether you can afford to put a roof over your head, or food on your table, do they F**K Brexit has just been 2.5 years of utter bull***t spouted by a bunch of utter F**Kwits with nothing better to do Well actually they did have better things to do like sort out the health service, education, housing and the like, but are clearly incapable of doing so, and prefer to argue like a bunch of prepubescent school kids among themselves instead of sorting the country out To be fair I think Corbyn does care, which is a start and is why he gets my vote. Whether he can deliver it or not is another question. |
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Oct 23, 2018 21:22:07 GMT
No reprehensible carpet-bagging cretins on the Vote Leave side, no sir. Of course there are, even if few of them can quite match the levels of Blair and Clegg. However, as far as I can see, they aren't the ones trying to overturn a democratic mandate. Had Remain won 52/48 I don’t think there is any doubt that the Farage, Gove, Redwood, Rees-Mogg-ites would have been doing exactly what the remainers are doing right now. If anything Farage would have got even more publicity and he no doubt could have booked a season ticket with the BBC Question Time etc. The referendum was never going to settle anything indefinitely as the country is so divided. For my two pennies worth, May will come back with a shitty deal that won’t pacify a small minority of tories (when push comes to shove enough will always back their leader) but coupled with the DUP and a critical handful of Labour MPs she’ll get the deal through parliament. This won’t be the end of it though. It will continue to rumble on as the country falls further to the dogs as NHS waiting lists sore, local authority cuts continue, we carry on arming despotic rogue states and whore ourselves to strongmen like Trump and Orban whilst our wonderful media continue to give the current government free reign as the ‘scary boogeyman’ Corbyn is the alternative. |
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Oct 23, 2018 21:42:43 GMT
Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 23, 2018 21:42:43 GMT
Of course there are, even if few of them can quite match the levels of Blair and Clegg. However, as far as I can see, they aren't the ones trying to overturn a democratic mandate. Had Remain won 52/48 I don’t think there is any doubt that the Farage, Gove, Redwood, Rees-Mogg-ites would have been doing exactly what the remainers are doing right now. If anything Farage would have got even more publicity and he no doubt could have booked a season ticket with the BBC Question Time etc. The referendum was never going to settle anything indefinitely as the country is so divided. I don't disagree, they probably would be doing the same. And I would disagree with it. Democracy is incredibly important and I worry that beginning a process which is designed to overrule or undermine it would be like opening Pandora's box. It is similar to the Scottish Independence referendum - I have sympathy with those who want an independent Scotland, but they lost and they need to get on with it. There is plenty of time in the future to win these debates in the hearts and minds of a new generation - trying to force new referenda on incredibly divisive and debilitating issues is an incredibly dangerous path to go down. |
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Oct 24, 2018 0:16:25 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Oct 24, 2018 0:16:25 GMT
Like I said before, so democracy ended in June 2016 by the finest of margins? Sorry but I dont think so. Democracy is fluid and on going and lets not forget there was only one side in the referendum actively attempting to curtail individual rights . Also, still waiting to hear any positive arguments for Brexi
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Oct 24, 2018 5:07:29 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 24, 2018 5:07:29 GMT
I'd have so much more confidence leaving the EU with a socialist Labour government running the country, in the interest of its people, than these shambolic Tory cretins. Absolute rubbish, The only thing MPs are interested in are A,lining their own pockets,and B, imposing their own political ideology on the rest of the nation Oh I nearly forgot C, getting re elected and staying on the gravy train a bit longer People need to wake up to the fact that nobody cares about them. Does May, Corbyn, Farage, Johnson, Starmer etc care wether you can afford to put a roof over your head, or food on your table, do they F**K Brexit has just been 2.5 years of utter bull***t spouted by a bunch of utter F**Kwits with nothing better to do Well actually they did have better things to do like sort out the health service, education, housing and the like, but are clearly incapable of doing so, and prefer to argue like a bunch of prepubescent school kids among themselves instead of sorting the country out Your last paragraph is everything JC talks about and everything he based the 2017 manifesto on, and more. Your last remark concerning arguing amongst themselves sums up the current government nicely, and supports my original point. |
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Oct 25, 2018 6:47:25 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Oct 25, 2018 6:47:25 GMT
The thing is for me, having another referendum (Not a second one, because this is different from the first) is democracy. The simple truth is, because it was a binary vote, in real terms there was only a 2% difference in the polls, if it was that close in a by election, there would be a recount. Given the amount of people that voted it is only right that the deal we get is put to the people that asked for it. It may be that some people voted leave and based on the deal we get, change their minds, and vice versa for remainers. The referendum should have 3 three options, leave with the deal that has been finalized(if ever there will be one), leave with No deal, or remain. That really is democracy, it seems to me that the leave campaigners don't wont this because they are scared of the vote, and use the same old rhetoric that leave means leave and the country voted for it, well the fact is, if that is still the case then they shouldn't have anything to worry about then. This is a ludicrous proposition which is designed to keep us in the EU. It is obvious that such a three-way choice would split the Leave vote between the May Deal and the No Deal options and therefore allow the Remain option to win easily. The irony of describing that as real democracy when it is a clear attempt to rig the vote in favour of one option is slightly ironic. If, like the hummus-eating, first-time marching, Waitrose shopping protestors, you are happy to be part of a campaign that is led by Tony Blair, Nick Clegg, Eddie Marsan, Anna Soubry and Chuka Umunna then it really isn't worth even attempting to explain to you why millions of working class people voted Leave. If you don't question keeping company with morally reprehensible carpet-bagging cretins like that, then you are a lost cause as far as I am concerned. So you would quite happily accept a deal that will have a detrimental effect on the economy? Quite possibly could see Northern Ireland go back to the way it was before the peace process?
As I said in my post, enough people voted leave, by a small majority, it is only right that the rest of the country gets a say in how that happens. I also don't "keep company" with any of the people you mention above, I could also be childish and push out a few leave names who are repulsive, odious and totally lacking in morality, I see the NHS is still waiting for its millions of pounds promised on the side of the bus. Millions of working class people voted leave, not because they had any insight to economics, politics or anything else, but because they were fed complete drivel by those who were going to benefit from a leave vote. As was in the case of the remain campaign, also fed complete drivel by people who benefitted from staying.
I made my choice to remain, purely on the basis that my livelihood is dependent on the company I work for selling its product mainly to Europe. I would love my company to be able to sell its products elsewhere around the world, such as Singapore (Didn't the EU ratify a free trade agreement with them just as Theresa May was going round shaking the collection bucket?)
As for your argument regarding Scotland rejecting the independence vote, that was before the Brexit vote, I think you will find that will get extremely messy when they get the chance to rejoin the EU. and so all those people who voted because of immigration will be able to welcome all the Europeans flooding into England and Wales via Glasgow airport and it will be impossible to control.
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Post by Hannibal on Oct 25, 2018 7:31:50 GMT
I voted remain, but realise now that that was a terrible error on my part.
We need to get out for no other reason than the EU is an unaccountable gravy train for the few who are elected and that it is unaccountable for the billions it spends and has never been audited.
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Oct 25, 2018 7:42:15 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 25, 2018 7:42:15 GMT
I find it strange how many of the people who complain that the EU is not democratic are not so bothered that we have an unelected head of state, and that we just spent £2m of taxpayers' money on the wedding of a Royal I hadn't even heard of.
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Oct 25, 2018 7:48:15 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 25, 2018 7:48:15 GMT
Don’t forget our unelected second chamber whose members like to entertain racist ‘Tommy Robinson’ in taxpayer subsidised dining rooms.
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Oct 25, 2018 8:33:45 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Oct 25, 2018 8:33:45 GMT
This is a ludicrous proposition which is designed to keep us in the EU. It is obvious that such a three-way choice would split the Leave vote between the May Deal and the No Deal options and therefore allow the Remain option to win easily. The irony of describing that as real democracy when it is a clear attempt to rig the vote in favour of one option is slightly ironic. If, like the hummus-eating, first-time marching, Waitrose shopping protestors, you are happy to be part of a campaign that is led by Tony Blair, Nick Clegg, Eddie Marsan, Anna Soubry and Chuka Umunna then it really isn't worth even attempting to explain to you why millions of working class people voted Leave. If you don't question keeping company with morally reprehensible carpet-bagging cretins like that, then you are a lost cause as far as I am concerned. So you would quite happily accept a deal that will have a detrimental effect on the economy? Quite possibly could see Northern Ireland go back to the way it was before the peace process?
As I said in my post, enough people voted leave, by a small majority, it is only right that the rest of the country gets a say in how that happens. I also don't "keep company" with any of the people you mention above, I could also be childish and push out a few leave names who are repulsive, odious and totally lacking in morality, I see the NHS is still waiting for its millions of pounds promised on the side of the bus. Millions of working class people voted leave, not because they had any insight to economics, politics or anything else, but because they were fed complete drivel by those who were going to benefit from a leave vote. As was in the case of the remain campaign, also fed complete drivel by people who benefitted from staying.
I made my choice to remain, purely on the basis that my livelihood is dependent on the company I work for selling its product mainly to Europe. I would love my company to be able to sell its products elsewhere around the world, such as Singapore (Didn't the EU ratify a free trade agreement with them just as Theresa May was going round shaking the collection bucket?)
As for your argument regarding Scotland rejecting the independence vote, that was before the Brexit vote, I think you will find that will get extremely messy when they get the chance to rejoin the EU. and so all those people who voted because of immigration will be able to welcome all the Europeans flooding into England and Wales via Glasgow airport and it will be impossible to control.
Ah, so you voted to Remain out of self-interest (your livelihood). I don't have a problem with that, but isn't that what the hardcore Remainer on here accuse the Leavers of. We all are influenced by self-interest - some here want the Utopia of Jeremy leading us to the sunlight uplands of a Venezualan future. |
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Oct 25, 2018 8:38:12 GMT
Post by Hannibal on Oct 25, 2018 8:38:12 GMT
I find it strange how many of the people who complain that the EU is not democratic are not so bothered that we have an unelected head of state, and that we just spent £2m of taxpayers' money on the wedding of a Royal I hadn't even heard of. You're not a Royalist then Lobster? |
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Oct 25, 2018 10:59:10 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Oct 25, 2018 10:59:10 GMT
So you would quite happily accept a deal that will have a detrimental effect on the economy? Quite possibly could see Northern Ireland go back to the way it was before the peace process?
As I said in my post, enough people voted leave, by a small majority, it is only right that the rest of the country gets a say in how that happens. I also don't "keep company" with any of the people you mention above, I could also be childish and push out a few leave names who are repulsive, odious and totally lacking in morality, I see the NHS is still waiting for its millions of pounds promised on the side of the bus. Millions of working class people voted leave, not because they had any insight to economics, politics or anything else, but because they were fed complete drivel by those who were going to benefit from a leave vote. As was in the case of the remain campaign, also fed complete drivel by people who benefitted from staying.
I made my choice to remain, purely on the basis that my livelihood is dependent on the company I work for selling its product mainly to Europe. I would love my company to be able to sell its products elsewhere around the world, such as Singapore (Didn't the EU ratify a free trade agreement with them just as Theresa May was going round shaking the collection bucket?)
As for your argument regarding Scotland rejecting the independence vote, that was before the Brexit vote, I think you will find that will get extremely messy when they get the chance to rejoin the EU. and so all those people who voted because of immigration will be able to welcome all the Europeans flooding into England and Wales via Glasgow airport and it will be impossible to control.
Ah, so you voted to Remain out of self-interest (your livelihood). I don't have a problem with that, but isn't that what the hardcore Remainer on here accuse the Leavers of. We all are influenced by self-interest - some here want the Utopia of Jeremy leading us to the sunlight uplands of a Venezualan future. I haven't spoken to anyone who voted either way that didn't vote for their own self interests. My livelihood is above and beyond anything else, without it I am homeless, I cant feed myself or my children, I don't have money to share in the economy or to give to others who may need support such as Charities or the football team we all share a common interest in.I then become reliant on the Welfare state, which in turn affects others. If anyone tells you they voted for anything other than their own self interests then they are being economical with the truth.
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Oct 25, 2018 11:56:19 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 25, 2018 11:56:19 GMT
I find it strange how many of the people who complain that the EU is not democratic are not so bothered that we have an unelected head of state, and that we just spent £2m of taxpayers' money on the wedding of a Royal I hadn't even heard of. You're not a Royalist then Lobster? I have nothing against them as individuals, but no, I don't think we should have people born into power. Then again, you look at the highly priveleged absolute fruit loops they're electing over in the 'Land of Opportunity' and I suppose it could be worse!
But any monarchy is undemocratic, so anyone who has that particular beef with the EU should also be against having the Queen's name on their nice new blue passport.
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Oct 25, 2018 16:32:54 GMT
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Post by Hannibal on Oct 25, 2018 16:32:54 GMT
You're not a Royalist then Lobster? I have nothing against them as individuals, but no, I don't think we should have people born into power. Then again, you look at the highly priveleged absolute fruit loops they're electing over in the 'Land of Opportunity' and I suppose it could be worse!
But any monarchy is undemocratic, so anyone who has that particular beef with the EU should also be against having the Queen's name on their nice new blue passport.
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Oct 26, 2018 10:55:55 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 26, 2018 10:55:55 GMT
Ah, so you voted to Remain out of self-interest (your livelihood). I don't have a problem with that, but isn't that what the hardcore Remainer on here accuse the Leavers of. We all are influenced by self-interest - some here want the Utopia of Jeremy leading us to the sunlight uplands of a Venezualan future. I haven't spoken to anyone who voted either way that didn't vote for their own self interests. My livelihood is above and beyond anything else, without it I am homeless, I cant feed myself or my children, I don't have money to share in the economy or to give to others who may need support such as Charities or the football team we all share a common interest in.I then become reliant on the Welfare state, which in turn affects others. If anyone tells you they voted for anything other than their own self interests then they are being economical with the truth.
Self-interest always comes into it, but I don’t think it’s the be all and end all of why people vote the way they do. In Ireland, recent years have seen the public vote in favour of legalising same-sex marriage and abortions, but most Irish people are not gay, nor are they women with unwanted pregnancies. On the other hand, you have people like that wazzock who owns Wetherspoons where every Brexit argument he puts forward appears to be about his own business. His business is a big part of the lifestyle of many of us too, so he’s a pretty powerful force. Sorry to go a bit philosophical, but the Veil of Ignorance theory works quite well for Brexit, I think. It proposes the idea of how you would vote and make decisions if you didn’t know who you are or how it will affect you. So if you apply that to Brexit, you might be a businessman who wants free trade or a low-paid indigenous Brit in a town like Burnley who is concerned at what immigration is doing. On the other hand, you might be an immigrant or married to one, fearful of your future and the rise in hate crime. You might be working for a company that does most of its business in Europe and concerned that you’ll lose your job. You might live on the Northern Irish border and dread the mayhem that awaits over there. Under these circumstances, I think most would have voted Remain, which is why I consider it the more moral and common good vote, but obviously many will disagree. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 26, 2018 12:39:57 GMT
People need to understand that most 'Brexiteers' didn't vote for Brexit because of 'positive' reasons, they voted against the European Union for negative reasons. For example, I voted Leave for a number of reasons, such as the fact that the EU is a constitutionally capitalist organisation that makes the implementation of austerity and privatisation a legal requirement of member states. How any socialist can support that genuinely staggers me. And in fact, it has always been the socialist tradition to oppose the European Union, as was done consistently by the likes of Tony Benn, Bob Crow and Jeremy Corbyn whilst he was on the backbenches.
As well as that, the absolute contempt the EU showed for the democratic mandate given to the Syriza government by the Greek people and the more general way in which they have laid ruin to the very fibre of Greek society is utterly reprehensible. They are now doing the same with the newly elected Italian government and it is probably going to end in tears. And to top it off, when the migrant crisis ensued following the EU-backed Western destruction of Libya, they allowed member states to build walls and fences, leaving refugees to drown in their thousands in the Mediterranean Sea.
People who claim to be on the left voting to remain a member of such an organisation is an example of some pretty serious cognitive dissonance.
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Oct 26, 2018 17:11:53 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 26, 2018 17:11:53 GMT
People need to understand that most 'Brexiteers' didn't vote for Brexit because of 'positive' reasons, they voted against the European Union for negative reasons. For example, I voted Leave for a number of reasons, such as the fact that the EU is a constitutionally capitalist organisation that makes the implementation of austerity and privatisation a legal requirement of member states. How any socialist can support that genuinely staggers me. And in fact, it has always been the socialist tradition to oppose the European Union, as was done consistently by the likes of Tony Benn, Bob Crow and Jeremy Corbyn whilst he was on the backbenches. As well as that, the absolute contempt the EU showed for the democratic mandate given to the Syriza government by the Greek people and the more general way in which they have laid ruin to the very fibre of Greek society is utterly reprehensible. They are now doing the same with the newly elected Italian government and it is probably going to end in tears. And to top it off, when the migrant crisis ensued following the EU-backed Western destruction of Libya, they allowed member states to build walls and fences, leaving refugees to drown in their thousands in the Mediterranean Sea. People who claim to be on the left voting to remain a member of such an organisation is an example of some pretty serious cognitive dissonance. I don’t disagree with anything you say, but unfortunately with the Tories driving the car, working people have little or no influence on the final destination of Brexit. With the state of this government it can only ever end in disaster, with working people paying the price. I see Liam Fox cannot even get a trade deal with the WTO, so the future looks bleaker by the day. I’m certain the Tories will use the economic crisis to steamroll through emergency measures that will further erode workers rights, health and safety standards etc. The first rule of politics is that you should only try to instigate fundamentals change when you’re in a position of power, able to influence events. As it stands at the moment, Labour can only sit on the sidelines, waiting for thiose Tory rebel MPs to appear on the horizon, riding unicorns. |
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Oct 28, 2018 15:21:51 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Oct 28, 2018 15:21:51 GMT
People need to understand that most 'Brexiteers' didn't vote for Brexit because of 'positive' reasons, they voted against the European Union for negative reasons. For example, I voted Leave for a number of reasons, such as the fact that the EU is a constitutionally capitalist organisation that makes the implementation of austerity and privatisation a legal requirement of member states. How any socialist can support that genuinely staggers me. And in fact, it has always been the socialist tradition to oppose the European Union, as was done consistently by the likes of Tony Benn, Bob Crow and Jeremy Corbyn whilst he was on the backbenches. As well as that, the absolute contempt the EU showed for the democratic mandate given to the Syriza government by the Greek people and the more general way in which they have laid ruin to the very fibre of Greek society is utterly reprehensible. They are now doing the same with the newly elected Italian government and it is probably going to end in tears. And to top it off, when the migrant crisis ensued following the EU-backed Western destruction of Libya, they allowed member states to build walls and fences, leaving refugees to drown in their thousands in the Mediterranean Sea. People who claim to be on the left voting to remain a member of such an organisation is an example of some pretty serious cognitive dissonance. All good points, but I would suggest the reasons you give are actually not the reasons why the majority of Leave voters voted the way they did.
I'd also suggest that even the most ardent Remainer acknowledges that the EU has problems.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Oct 29, 2018 6:33:35 GMT
Traditionally, sections of the Labour Left opposed the EU, but given the impotence of the left under Thatcherisn, the left started to look to Europe, in a more positive light. So, there was something of a 'sea change' in peoples attitudes to Europe during the 80's. A lot of the workers rights and health and safety legislation was supported by Europe and many of its governments were centre left. I accept that you voted leave through ideological reasons, but large sections of the working class voted leave because of the lies on the side of the bus and probably wouldnt, had they known what a Tory Brexit entailed. Yes, there is a democratic deficit at the heart of the EU, but its positives come from the regulations and standards, which the Tories are so keen to role back, particularly in the area of employment protection. Also, the positve of the E.U is that it has kept peace, in Europe.5for over 70 years and that is no small feat, given its history of carnage. Finally, anything that makes it harder to trade or travel with our closest neighbourz has got to be a dangerous idea.
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Oct 29, 2018 18:12:41 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Oct 29, 2018 18:12:41 GMT
I see there is going to be a 50p piece minted to commorate Brexit. I am going to lobby for Robert Falcon Scott to be remembered, as the true symbol of Brexit. For those of you who dont know, Scott by his sheer ineptitude managed to kill himself and all his crewe, on his ill fated mission to be the first man to trek to the South pole, in 1912. Refusing to use teans of dogs, because it was unsporting. He managed to reach the pole, only to find that he had been beaten to it by a European. Dying on the return journey. So I give you the ultimate symbol of Brexit and glorious failure, epitomised so well by the England football team: Robert Falcon Scott
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Post by Mean Machine on Oct 29, 2018 22:21:52 GMT
I would argue that NATO and the need to counter the threat posed by the USSR has played a large part in keeping western europe free from war since the end of WWII, rather than any effect of being part of the EU or its any of its previous incarnations
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Oct 29, 2018 22:54:29 GMT
Post by Mean Machine on Oct 29, 2018 22:54:29 GMT
I see there is going to be a 50p piece minted to commorate Brexit. I am going to lobby for Robert Falcon Scott to be remembered, as the true symbol of Brexit. For those of you who dont know, Scott by his sheer ineptitude managed to kill himself and all his crewe, on his ill fated mission to be the first man to trek to the South pole, in 1912. Refusing to use teans of dogs, because it was unsporting. He managed to reach the pole, only to find that he had been beaten to it by a European. Dying on the return journey. So I give you the ultimate symbol of Brexit and glorious failure, epitomised so well by the England football team: Robert Falcon Scott Falcon Scott didnt use dogs because he used ponies instead, due to Shackletons perceived success using them on a previous exploration To suggest that Scott didnt use dogs because it was unsporting is incorrect You seem to delight in rubbishing who was at the time a national hero, also you seem to suggest that the England football team is a failure You may recall that England have indeed won the World cup on one occasion, so perhaps they are not such failures as you seem to think, just because England failed to win the last world cup tournament |
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Oct 29, 2018 23:06:17 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Oct 29, 2018 23:06:17 GMT
Or the 12 World Cup tournements inbetween. Lol England are the epitomy of abject failure.
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Nov 8, 2018 18:09:48 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Nov 8, 2018 18:09:48 GMT
Good to hear that Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab “hadn’t quite understood” the importance of the Dover-Calais crossing in international trade.
Going well, this Brexit stuff.
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Post by cartographer on Nov 10, 2018 12:00:55 GMT
I voted remain, but realise now that that was a terrible error on my part. We need to get out for no other reason than the EU is an unaccountable gravy train for the few who are elected and that it is unaccountable for the billions it spends and has never been audited.
This isn't true though, it's just a soundbite you've picked up on.
Can you provide any source for this claim?
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