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Sept 28, 2018 11:11:05 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 28, 2018 11:11:05 GMT
The "lost" files and the hostile environment were all under her watch in her previous cabinet role. I don't feel sorry for her at all.
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Post by Mean Machine on Sept 28, 2018 20:05:19 GMT
I never forget her "citizen of the world is a citizen of nowhere speech" and her red lines, that have now, completely boxed her in. In her arrogance she thought she could destroy Corbyn and the Labour party, for a generation, with her 20 point lead in the polls. But as it turned out Corbyn destroyed her. Dead woman walking . Lol. Thats not true though is it, Corbyn failed to win a majority at the last election, Labour were not even the largest party in the house of commons, thats hardly destroying May is it ? Talking to the guys at work [skilled manual workers, one early 20s, five early to mid 50s] probably what would have been core Labour voters 10+ years ago, not one of us would vote Labour today with Corbyn as leader. One of the guys is a staunch labour supporter Opinion was that Corbyn is too anti establishment, anti British, and would do little to benefit hard working guys doing a typical 9 to 5 Nobody would vote Tory either, party is tearing itself apart over brexit None of us could decide who we would vote for if an election was called now |
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Sept 28, 2018 20:26:55 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 28, 2018 20:26:55 GMT
You're complaining that he's anti-Establishment yet you're all working class traditional Labour core? K den.
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Sept 29, 2018 3:14:38 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 29, 2018 3:14:38 GMT
I never forget her "citizen of the world is a citizen of nowhere speech" and her red lines, that have now, completely boxed her in. In her arrogance she thought she could destroy Corbyn and the Labour party, for a generation, with her 20 point lead in the polls. But as it turned out Corbyn destroyed her. Dead woman walking . Lol. Thats not true though is it, Corbyn failed to win a majority at the last election, Labour were not even the largest party in the house of commons, thats hardly destroying May is it ? Talking to the guys at work [skilled manual workers, one early 20s, five early to mid 50s] probably what would have been core Labour voters 10+ years ago, not one of us would vote Labour today with Corbyn as leader. One of the guys is a staunch labour supporter Opinion was that Corbyn is too anti establishment, anti British, and would do little to benefit hard working guys doing a typical 9 to 5 Nobody would vote Tory either, party is tearing itself apart over brexit None of us could decide who we would vote for if an election was called now perhaps you havent noticed but May has zero majority and is being kept in power by bribing the DUP. From a position of strength she is clinging on by her finger tips. And true you can never discount the ability of certain sections of the working class to voted against their own interests. Fortunately Corbyn has a massive majority in the under 50 age group. And I have no doubt that a apercentage of the demographic you identify will be brought towards Corbyn by the traditional Labour programme of jobs housing and the NHS. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Sept 29, 2018 6:22:46 GMT
I never forget her "citizen of the world is a citizen of nowhere speech" and her red lines, that have now, completely boxed her inn. In her arrogance she thought she could destroy Corbyn and the Labour party, for a generation, with her 20 point lead in the polls. But as it turned out Corbyn destroyed her. Dead woman walking . Lol. Thats not true though is it, Corbyn failed to win a majority at the last election, Labour were not even the largest party in the house of commons, thats hardly destroying May is it ? Talking to the guys at work [skilled manual workers, one early 20s, five early to mid 50s] probably what would have been core Labour voters 10+ years ago, not one of us would vote Labour today with Corbyn as leader. One of the guys is a staunch labour supporter Opinion was that Corbyn is too anti establishment, anti British, and would do little to benefit hard working guys doing a typical 9 to 5 Nobody would vote Tory either, party is tearing itself apart over brexit None of us could decide who we would vote for if an election was called now You wouldn’t want to vote for anyone ‘anti-Establishment’, especially when the Eatablishment has such a long and distinguished history of looking out for working people. |
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Oct 8, 2018 8:44:17 GMT
Post by Ian H Block on Oct 8, 2018 8:44:17 GMT
 This is from yesterday’s Mail on Sunday. Would any Brexiteer remind me of the positives again? Also, if every Vote Leaver knew what they were voting for are they all batshit crazy? |
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Oct 10, 2018 17:18:42 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Oct 10, 2018 17:18:42 GMT
I see Michael Gove, now Secretary of State for the Environment, no less, today failed to attend an EU meeting on climate change despite the UN’s urgent report yesterday. In fact he hasn’t been to a single one since taking up his position.
That man is an absolute toilet.
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Oct 11, 2018 10:23:53 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Oct 11, 2018 10:23:53 GMT
I think the clock is ticking for this administration. May has tried to keep things as vague as possible re: Brexit to try to keep her party together, split as it is between Brixiteers and Remainers, whilst trying to keep the flat earthers of the DUP on side. Unfortunately, whatever she does is likely to piss off one side or the other
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Oct 15, 2018 11:23:25 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 15, 2018 11:23:25 GMT
Imagine if Remain had won by a tiny margin and the government went full-on "HARD REMAIN" - Schengen, the Euro currency, multilingual signage. People would go apeshit.
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Oct 15, 2018 13:54:44 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 15, 2018 13:54:44 GMT
We are complicit in this. Why is it never reported that the UK is in effect at war with Yemen, thanks to our very questionable alliance with arguably the world's most wicked nation in Saudi Arabia?
The thing is, when 13 million people are starving to death, what do you expect them to do? Sit there and starve or try and find somewhere else to live like, let's say, the UK? Oh right, now we start caring, don't we?
Similarly when 10 million+ Bangladeshis get flooded out of their homes in the next decade due to rising sea levels caused by the habits of the Western world. Where do we think they're going to go? And yet our Environmental Secretary can't even be bothered to attend EU meetings on the matter.
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Oct 18, 2018 19:12:26 GMT
Post by Mean Machine on Oct 18, 2018 19:12:26 GMT
We are complicit in this. Why is it never reported that the UK is in effect at war with Yemen, thanks to our very questionable alliance with arguably the world's most wicked nation in Saudi Arabia?
The thing is, when 13 million people are starving to death, what do you expect them to do? Sit there and starve or try and find somewhere else to live like, let's say, the UK? Oh right, now we start caring, don't we?
Similarly when 10 million+ Bangladeshis get flooded out of their homes in the next decade due to rising sea levels caused by the habits of the Western world. Where do we think they're going to go? And yet our Environmental Secretary can't even be bothered to attend EU meetings on the matter.
This is going slightly off thread, however, climate scientists recently announced that we have 12 years to turn the rise in global temperatures around or at least stabilize them. Since that time we have restarted fracking in an attempt to burn more fossil fuel, Australia voted to keep burning coal, Trump is in total denial that climate change even exists. Have you seen any mention of this ticking time bomb in the papers, no, lets face it governments dont give a F**k about the environment, its just about making a quick buck now. In 12 years time it will be someone elses problem, yeah thats right, your childrens problem, but by then it will be too late |
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Oct 18, 2018 19:28:42 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Oct 18, 2018 19:28:42 GMT
We are complicit in this. Why is it never reported that the UK is in effect at war with Yemen, thanks to our very questionable alliance with arguably the world's most wicked nation in Saudi Arabia?
The thing is, when 13 million people are starving to death, what do you expect them to do? Sit there and starve or try and find somewhere else to live like, let's say, the UK? Oh right, now we start caring, don't we?
Similarly when 10 million+ Bangladeshis get flooded out of their homes in the next decade due to rising sea levels caused by the habits of the Western world. Where do we think they're going to go? And yet our Environmental Secretary can't even be bothered to attend EU meetings on the matter.
This is going slightly off thread, however, climate scientists recently announced that we have 12 years to turn the rise in global temperatures around or at least stabilize them. Since that time we have restarted fracking in an attempt to burn more fossil fuel, Australia voted to keep burning coal, Trump is in total denial that climate change even exists. Have you seen any mention of this ticking time bomb in the papers, no, lets face it governments dont give a F**k about the environment, its just about making a quick buck now. In 12 years time it will be someone elses problem, yeah thats right, your childrens problem, but by then it will be too late It’s alright though, because we’ll have blue passports and bendy bananas. |
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Oct 18, 2018 20:50:56 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Oct 18, 2018 20:50:56 GMT
This is going slightly off thread, however, climate scientists recently announced that we have 12 years to turn the rise in global temperatures around or at least stabilize them. Since that time we have restarted fracking in an attempt to burn more fossil fuel, Australia voted to keep burning coal, Trump is in total denial that climate change even exists. Have you seen any mention of this ticking time bomb in the papers, no, lets face it governments dont give a F**k about the environment, its just about making a quick buck now. In 12 years time it will be someone elses problem, yeah thats right, your childrens problem, but by then it will be too late It’s alright though, because we’ll have blue passports and bendy bananas. Pathetic, even for you. |
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Oct 19, 2018 6:18:35 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 19, 2018 6:18:35 GMT
It’s alright though, because we’ll have blue passports and bendy bananas. Pathetic, even for you. Come on then Captain Brexit, two years in and hundreds of posts later you still haven’t explained the positives of Brexit. The floor is yours, we’re all ears..... |
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Oct 19, 2018 6:20:40 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 19, 2018 6:20:40 GMT
It’s alright though, because we’ll have blue passports and bendy bananas. Pathetic, even for you. I will tell you what is pathetic. What's pathetic is this sorry Brexit MESS. Amazing really, the entire reason behind the original clamour for this referendum from certain sections of the Nasty party was to get out of the EU before their clampdown on tax evasion and offshore loopholes comes into force. That's it. Literally. That's what you voted for, no matter what you think. |
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Oct 19, 2018 7:39:31 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 19, 2018 7:39:31 GMT
It’s alright though, because we’ll have blue passports and bendy bananas. Pathetic, even for you. I know you are, but what am I? |
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Oct 19, 2018 8:02:50 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Oct 19, 2018 8:02:50 GMT
I know you are, but what am I? Come on, bendy bananas. Is that the best you can do. I know Midfield General will like the peurility of it, however. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 19, 2018 8:11:35 GMT
I know you are, but what am I? Come on, bendy bananas. Is that the best you can do. I know Midfield General will like the peurility of it, however. Still waiting for you to list all the benefits of Brexit, as bendy bananas are all we’ve got so far. |
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Oct 19, 2018 8:25:37 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 19, 2018 8:25:37 GMT
I know you are, but what am I? Come on, bendy bananas. Is that the best you can do. I know Midfield General will like the peurility of it, however. It's not the best I can do, but it's the best a lot of Brexit voters can do.
It's disingenuous to pretend that the go-to argument of many (not all) Brexiteers is not to do with bendy and straight bananas. There was a Question Time in Wallasey shortly after the vote where a women in the audience admitted that she would've voted Remain, but then went to the supermarket and noticed all the bananas were straight, and on that basis she voted Leave.
James O'Brien (who admittedly is a bit of a tit) regularly challenges callers who say they don't like EU laws to name one of them. The banana thing is always the only one they can come out with.
This story, which even if true is a very trivial First World problem, has struck a chord with Eurosceptics and I would honestly go as far as to say that if the story didn't exist and wasn't widely believed, the vote would probably have gone narrowly in Remain's favour.
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Oct 19, 2018 12:23:32 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 19, 2018 12:23:32 GMT
No word from Billy Brexshit I see.
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Oct 20, 2018 18:36:55 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Oct 20, 2018 18:36:55 GMT
700000 marched in London for a Peoples vote, whilst 1500 turned up to listen to the twat Farage, in Harlow. Pretty much sayz it all. Looks like people are well and truly turning against this Tory Brexit.
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Oct 22, 2018 11:56:52 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 22, 2018 11:56:52 GMT
It's rather alarming that the Conservative Party don't even seem capable of being kind to each other, let alone anybody else.
Although it's obviously meant figuratively, the language some of their backbenchers are using about May is disgusting, and no doubt they would be the first to cry "death threats" if it came from the left.
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Oct 23, 2018 7:02:18 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Oct 23, 2018 7:02:18 GMT
Obnoxious bastards the lot of them and its a sign they are failing. Dan Hodges in the Daily Fail, was saying the worrying thing is that hapless May doesnt havr a plan. Well done Sherlock, you dont need to be a mastermind to work that out.The leavers and the right wing press are wetting their pants. Marches the size of Saturdays are rarely on thd wrong side of history and before anyone starts moaning about betrayal of democracy, their was only one side in the referendum that was actively trying to take away peoples rights.
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Oct 23, 2018 7:17:33 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Oct 23, 2018 7:17:33 GMT
The thing is for me, having another referendum (Not a second one, because this is different from the first) is democracy.
The simple truth is, because it was a binary vote, in real terms there was only a 2% difference in the polls, if it was that close in a by election, there would be a recount.
Given the amount of people that voted it is only right that the deal we get is put to the people that asked for it.
It may be that some people voted leave and based on the deal we get, change their minds, and vice versa for remainers.
The referendum should have 3 three options, leave with the deal that has been finalized(if ever there will be one), leave with No deal, or remain.
That really is democracy, it seems to me that the leave campaigners don't wont this because they are scared of the vote, and use the same old rhetoric that leave means leave and the country voted for it, well the fact is, if that is still the case then they shouldn't have anything to worry about then.
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Oct 23, 2018 7:41:34 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 23, 2018 7:41:34 GMT
Keep changing my mind about whether another referendum would be a good thing. We had a General Election in 2015 and another one in 2017. What's the difference between that and another EU referendum, really? Democracy takes into account that the political landscape changes. If it didn't we would just accept that we voted into the EEC in 1973 or whenever it was, and never challenge that. At the same time, I'm thinking now that perhaps the best thing to do is go through with it, see what a disaster it turns out to be, and then perhaps admit to the EU in five years or so that we've been a bit silly and ask nicely if we can join it again.
Sychdyn makes a good point that the type of Brexit we go for should reflect the fact that it was a very close vote. A 52%-48% outcome does not suggest that we want to completely sever ties with Europe, and similarly if it had gone narrowly in the other way, it would not mean that the issue of withdrawing from the EU was completely off the table. In fact I think Farage is on record as saying he would be pushing for another referendum if it was any less than 60% in favour of Remain. Funny that he's not so bothered when it's narrowly the other way.
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Oct 23, 2018 11:04:04 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 23, 2018 11:04:04 GMT
It wasn't me who said that! I do agree though.
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Oct 23, 2018 11:35:17 GMT
Post by Lobster on Oct 23, 2018 11:35:17 GMT
It wasn't me who said that! I do agree though. You made the 'Hard Remain' comparison above, which is kind of what I was getting at. |
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Oct 23, 2018 11:38:15 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 23, 2018 11:38:15 GMT
Fair enough I thought you were referring to the post immediately above yours with the 2% split mention.
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Oct 23, 2018 12:59:34 GMT
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Post by Al on Oct 23, 2018 12:59:34 GMT
Come on then Captain Brexit, two years in and hundreds of posts later you still haven’t explained the positives of Brexit. The floor is yours, we’re all ears..... He can't and its plainly obvious. I have family members who still persist with the better off out line yet get all angry and defensive about it when I ask them to explain why, usually get smart arsed one liner comments like DBs on this thread. I would love nothing more than for a leave voter to explain why they think we're better off out. Thing is, majority are just incapable of doing it without sounding like a complete and utter tw@t*. *in my opinion |
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Oct 23, 2018 13:55:11 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 23, 2018 13:55:11 GMT
I'd have so much more confidence leaving the EU with a socialist Labour government running the country, in the interest of its people, than these shambolic Tory cretins.
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