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Feb 20, 2020 13:14:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 13:14:31 GMT
I am not generalising and including everybody. But we have a lot of people who won't work. Unfortunately no work record or qualifications will only get you low payed jobs. Doesn't mean somebody else has to support you.
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Feb 20, 2020 14:26:53 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Feb 20, 2020 14:26:53 GMT
You're a French nurse or an Italian doctor, and you know that there are 29 other countries in Europe where you would be treated equally as one of their own, and the UK is the only one saying your wife or husband can't come because they’re only worth 30 points. Why would you bother?
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Post by Lobster on Feb 20, 2020 20:44:49 GMT
Two incidents in the last 24 hours - the murder of nine migrants in Berlin and the supposedly "not terror-related" stabbing of a muezzin in a London mosque - should remind us that the biggest danger and threat to world peace is not Islam, not immigration, not "political correctness". It is, always has been, and always will be, the far-right. Small-minded, fearful men who can't accept that there are other cultures.
These people are radicalised by the rubbish printed in mainstream newspapers and that comes out of the mouths of opportunistic politicians, just as Islamic extremists are by radical preachers. That's why this government worries me so much. I can't understand how anyone but the most rabid racist can be anything but appalled at what we've elected.
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Feb 20, 2020 21:50:41 GMT
Post by everhopeful on Feb 20, 2020 21:50:41 GMT
Anyway the point I was making was the deliberate action to impact on the NHS - to disinvest, to make it difficult to keep it running, to privatise, to then cash in. And sell it to Trump.
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Feb 21, 2020 7:19:25 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 21, 2020 7:19:25 GMT
Shall we say anybody who won't get off their arse to earn a living. there are plenty of jobs out there if you want them. Well that's not really an age group then is it? More like generalising really.
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Feb 21, 2020 8:21:35 GMT
Post by gezzer on Feb 21, 2020 8:21:35 GMT
Two incidents in the last 24 hours - the murder of nine migrants in Berlin and the supposedly "not terror-related" stabbing of a muezzin in a London mosque - should remind us that the biggest danger and threat to world peace is not Islam, not immigration, not "political correctness". It is, always has been, and always will be, the far-right. Small-minded, fearful men who can't accept that there are other cultures. These people are radicalised by the rubbish printed in mainstream newspapers and that comes out of the mouths of opportunistic politicians, just as Islamic extremists are by radical preachers. That's why this government worries me so much. I can't understand how anyone but the most rabid racist can be anything but appalled at what we've elected. Stupid comment. You comment on the murders in Germany and somehow manage to point the finger at this government. Do you have anything factual linking right wing extremism in this country to mass killings?
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Post by Lobster on Feb 21, 2020 8:39:01 GMT
Two incidents in the last 24 hours - the murder of nine migrants in Berlin and the supposedly "not terror-related" stabbing of a muezzin in a London mosque - should remind us that the biggest danger and threat to world peace is not Islam, not immigration, not "political correctness". It is, always has been, and always will be, the far-right. Small-minded, fearful men who can't accept that there are other cultures. These people are radicalised by the rubbish printed in mainstream newspapers and that comes out of the mouths of opportunistic politicians, just as Islamic extremists are by radical preachers. That's why this government worries me so much. I can't understand how anyone but the most rabid racist can be anything but appalled at what we've elected. Stupid comment. You comment on the murders in Germany and somehow manage to point the finger at this government. Do you have anything factual linking right wing extremism in this country to mass killings? There is plenty of evidence of a rise in hate crime and racism since Brexit and the increasing move to the populist right of politics, not just in this country but around the world.
I'm not directly trying to link events in Germany to our government, but saying that the far-right in Germany is basically the same as the far-right here, the only difference is their racists think Germany is the best whereas ours think England is. But perhaps more worrying than the far-right is the number of ordinary, moderate people who seem to have voted for what is, in my opinion and that of many political analysts, a far-right government and seem reasonably happy about the situation. Whether that's because they believe there was no alternative or whatever, it's still a disturbing situation.
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Post by Ian H Block on Feb 21, 2020 8:43:26 GMT
Two incidents in the last 24 hours - the murder of nine migrants in Berlin and the supposedly "not terror-related" stabbing of a muezzin in a London mosque - should remind us that the biggest danger and threat to world peace is not Islam, not immigration, not "political correctness". It is, always has been, and always will be, the far-right. Small-minded, fearful men who can't accept that there are other cultures. These people are radicalised by the rubbish printed in mainstream newspapers and that comes out of the mouths of opportunistic politicians, just as Islamic extremists are by radical preachers. That's why this government worries me so much. I can't understand how anyone but the most rabid racist can be anything but appalled at what we've elected. Stupid comment. You comment on the murders in Germany and somehow manage to point the finger at this government. Do you have anything factual linking right wing extremism in this country to mass killings? Finsbury Park Mosque, Jo Cox? Just spitballing here, but I think you can point the finger of blame at right wing terrorists for those murders? I believe the fast growing terrorist threat in the U.K. is from the far right, according to the Home Office.
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Post by gezzer on Feb 21, 2020 8:57:14 GMT
Stupid comment. You comment on the murders in Germany and somehow manage to point the finger at this government. Do you have anything factual linking right wing extremism in this country to mass killings? There is plenty of evidence of a rise in hate crime and racism since Brexit and the increasing move to the populist right of politics, not just in this country but around the world.
I'm not directly trying to link events in Germany to our government, but saying that the far-right in Germany is basically the same as the far-right here, the only difference is their racists think Germany is the best whereas ours think England is. But perhaps more worrying than the far-right is the number of ordinary, moderate people who seem to have voted for what is, in my opinion and that of many political analysts, a far-right government and seem reasonably happy about the situation. Whether that's because they believe there was no alternative or whatever, it's still a disturbing situation.
So the answer to my question is No (not yet anyway). I also note your comment "These people are radicalised by the rubbish printed in mainstream newspapers" and you go on to show "plenty of evidence" provided by 2 left leaning newspapers. You are quite right that too many people really believe the BS sensationalised in many media streams these days, I have not read a newspaper for over 20 years although will research articles that interest me across as many online outlets, left and right, in order to try and get a balanced view (too much time on my hands now retired).
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Feb 21, 2020 9:06:00 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Feb 21, 2020 9:06:00 GMT
There is plenty of evidence of a rise in hate crime and racism since Brexit and the increasing move to the populist right of politics, not just in this country but around the world.
I'm not directly trying to link events in Germany to our government, but saying that the far-right in Germany is basically the same as the far-right here, the only difference is their racists think Germany is the best whereas ours think England is. But perhaps more worrying than the far-right is the number of ordinary, moderate people who seem to have voted for what is, in my opinion and that of many political analysts, a far-right government and seem reasonably happy about the situation. Whether that's because they believe there was no alternative or whatever, it's still a disturbing situation.
So the answer to my question is No (not yet anyway). I also note your comment "These people are radicalised by the rubbish printed in mainstream newspapers" and you go on to show "plenty of evidence" provided by 2 left leaning newspapers. You are quite right that too many people really believe the BS sensationalised in many media streams these days, I have not read a newspaper for over 20 years although will research articles that interest me across as many online outlets, left and right, in order to try and get a balanced view (too much time on my hands now retired). Not read a newspaper in 20 years? You were copy and pasting from the Metro on this thread a couple of days ago. Absolute fraud.
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Feb 21, 2020 9:07:59 GMT
Post by gezzer on Feb 21, 2020 9:07:59 GMT
So the answer to my question is No (not yet anyway). I also note your comment "These people are radicalised by the rubbish printed in mainstream newspapers" and you go on to show "plenty of evidence" provided by 2 left leaning newspapers. You are quite right that too many people really believe the BS sensationalised in many media streams these days, I have not read a newspaper for over 20 years although will research articles that interest me across as many online outlets, left and right, in order to try and get a balanced view (too much time on my hands now retired). Not read a newspaper in 20 years? You were copy and pasting from the Metro on this thread a couple of days ago. Absolute fraud. Continue reading the rest of my comment. You sound like one of these people who read the headline and make up the rest of the story
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Feb 21, 2020 9:13:12 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Feb 21, 2020 9:13:12 GMT
Not read a newspaper in 20 years? You were copy and pasting from the Metro on this thread a couple of days ago. Absolute fraud. Continue reading the rest of my comment. You sound like one of these people who read the headline and make up the rest of the story So you have read a newspaper then?
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Feb 21, 2020 10:23:39 GMT
Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Feb 21, 2020 10:23:39 GMT
Priti Patel warned her immigration crackdown will 'cut the legs off' the UK music industry
... “Enormous” numbers of bands from EU countries will be shut out by the huge cost and frightening bureaucracy of performing, dealing a hammer blow to the venues that host them, it says. And UK artists will also feel the pain if Brussels slaps similar restrictions on tours to EU countries, in the post-Brexit trade talks that are already turning ugly. In just 10 months’ time, anyone from the EU seeking to perform will need to: * Apply for a visa to enter the UK, at a cost of £244 for each group member. * Provide proof, 90 days before applying, that they have nearly £1,000 in savings and so can support themselves, unless they are ‘A-rated’. * Provide a certificate of sponsorship from an event organiser - who must take responsibility for them - or a letter of invitation in some circumstances. But hey, we’ve got Roy “Chubby” Brown and Jim Davidson to entertain us for the rest of our days.
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Feb 21, 2020 13:56:51 GMT
Post by luke90 on Feb 21, 2020 13:56:51 GMT
Priti Patel warned her immigration crackdown will 'cut the legs off' the UK music industry
... “Enormous” numbers of bands from EU countries will be shut out by the huge cost and frightening bureaucracy of performing, dealing a hammer blow to the venues that host them, it says. And UK artists will also feel the pain if Brussels slaps similar restrictions on tours to EU countries, in the post-Brexit trade talks that are already turning ugly. In just 10 months’ time, anyone from the EU seeking to perform will need to: * Apply for a visa to enter the UK, at a cost of £244 for each group member. * Provide proof, 90 days before applying, that they have nearly £1,000 in savings and so can support themselves, unless they are ‘A-rated’. * Provide a certificate of sponsorship from an event organiser - who must take responsibility for them - or a letter of invitation in some circumstances. But hey, we’ve got Roy “Chubby” Brown and Jim Davidson to entertain us for the rest of our days. How is this any different to what other industries are going to face? Anyone coming to the country, or any other country for that reason, would need some form of work visa. That is what happens now with countries outside the EU.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 21, 2020 14:42:29 GMT
Priti Patel warned her immigration crackdown will 'cut the legs off' the UK music industry
... “Enormous” numbers of bands from EU countries will be shut out by the huge cost and frightening bureaucracy of performing, dealing a hammer blow to the venues that host them, it says. And UK artists will also feel the pain if Brussels slaps similar restrictions on tours to EU countries, in the post-Brexit trade talks that are already turning ugly. In just 10 months’ time, anyone from the EU seeking to perform will need to: * Apply for a visa to enter the UK, at a cost of £244 for each group member. * Provide proof, 90 days before applying, that they have nearly £1,000 in savings and so can support themselves, unless they are ‘A-rated’. * Provide a certificate of sponsorship from an event organiser - who must take responsibility for them - or a letter of invitation in some circumstances. But hey, we’ve got Roy “Chubby” Brown and Jim Davidson to entertain us for the rest of our days. How is this any different to what other industries are going to face? Anyone coming to the country, or any other country for that reason, would need some form of work visa. That is what happens now with countries outside the EU. Well, yeah, this is just one example of how it cuts us of from the world and deprives us of culture and opportunity. You're not making it sound any better by saying it affects other industries as well!
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Feb 21, 2020 16:41:30 GMT
Post by luke90 on Feb 21, 2020 16:41:30 GMT
How is this any different to what other industries are going to face? Anyone coming to the country, or any other country for that reason, would need some form of work visa. That is what happens now with countries outside the EU. Well, yeah, this is just one example of how it cuts us of from the world and deprives us of culture and opportunity. You're not making it sound any better by saying it affects other industries as well! My point being, other nations outside the EU currently have to do this. If an American wants to work here, or anywhere else in the EU, they'd need the relevant documentation. Admittedly, closing our self off isn't great, but this happens in every country currently, including our own.
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Feb 21, 2020 22:10:31 GMT
Post by Lobster on Feb 21, 2020 22:10:31 GMT
Very poor from the BBC to share this racist and inaccurate rant from a nasty QT audience member.
Classic example of them trying to be so unbiased that they're legitimising racism as somebody's "opinion".
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Post by Ian H Block on Feb 22, 2020 5:04:06 GMT
I don’t believe they are trying to be ‘unbiased’. The Producer of Question Time has form for actively seeking out EDL members and other racists to be audience members and when people ask ‘where do these people get radicalised?’, the answer is unfortunately, Question Time. This charmer from Weymouth is a Free Tommy racist campaigner and was allowed to spout complete bollocks for over a minute without interruption. Attachments:
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Feb 22, 2020 9:23:27 GMT
Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Feb 22, 2020 9:23:27 GMT
Classic case of that Labour supporter in the studio audience the other week managing to challenge the government, everyone wondered how on earth he got past security -turns out he passed himself of as a Conservative Party supporter at every application stage. Says it all.
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Feb 22, 2020 10:03:23 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 22, 2020 10:03:23 GMT
You could tell the sort of person she was going to be from her opening line “68 million people now live in England and going up “ Not factually correct and completely chose to ignore the other countries within the UK. With lovely people like her it’s no wonder the Scots seem desperate for independence.
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Feb 22, 2020 20:28:02 GMT
Post by Lobster on Feb 22, 2020 20:28:02 GMT
It's always a close battle, but I think Priti Patel is beginning to replace Michael Gove as the biggest shithouse in Westminster. I can't help but think as well that the Tories are using her to project the voice of the bigoted, xenophobic white Brit, knowing that it's much less likely to be called out as racist if it comes from a relatively young African/Indian woman.
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Feb 24, 2020 13:02:59 GMT
Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Feb 24, 2020 13:02:59 GMT
The Brexit job loss index up to the 31st January has been released by Small Business Prices and here are the stats. last updated 31/01/2020: Total Jobs Lost: 436,296 Total Annual Wages Lost: £12,511,660,392 Reduction in Annual Income Tax & National Insurance Receipts: £3,747,289,625.52 Job Losses By Region Scotland: 30,223 Midlands: 26,318 North East: 22,324 London: 22,245 Wales 14,265 South West: 13,959 North West: 9,144 South East: 5,095 East of England: 5,027 Northern Ireland: 2,555 Gibraltar: 1,000 Southern England: 870 No specific region: 283,729 10 Worst Hit Cities & Towns Glasgow: 24,612 London: 22,245 Wylfa Newydd: 9,350 Scunthorpe: 6077 Swindon: 4,951 Manchester: 4,912 Yorkshire: 4,362 Bridgend: 4,010 Derby: 4,000 Hull: 3287 10 Worst Hit Sectors Automotive: 66,032 Transport: 39,143 Food & drink: 32,081 Finance: 18,399 Construction: 15,102 Clothing: 12,445 Aerospace: 4,324 Agriculture: 3,100 Hospitality: 2,700 Consumer durables: 2,556 ICT: 2,527
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Feb 24, 2020 21:47:25 GMT
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Post by luke90 on Feb 24, 2020 21:47:25 GMT
The Brexit job loss index up to the 31st January has been released by Small Business Prices and here are the stats. last updated 31/01/2020: Total Jobs Lost: 436,296 Total Annual Wages Lost: £12,511,660,392 Reduction in Annual Income Tax & National Insurance Receipts: £3,747,289,625.52 Job Losses By Region Scotland: 30,223 Midlands: 26,318 North East: 22,324 London: 22,245 Wales 14,265 South West: 13,959 North West: 9,144 South East: 5,095 East of England: 5,027 Northern Ireland: 2,555 Gibraltar: 1,000 Southern England: 870 No specific region: 283,729 10 Worst Hit Cities & Towns Glasgow: 24,612 London: 22,245 Wylfa Newydd: 9,350 Scunthorpe: 6077 Swindon: 4,951 Manchester: 4,912 Yorkshire: 4,362 Bridgend: 4,010 Derby: 4,000 Hull: 3287 10 Worst Hit Sectors Automotive: 66,032 Transport: 39,143 Food & drink: 32,081 Finance: 18,399 Construction: 15,102 Clothing: 12,445 Aerospace: 4,324 Agriculture: 3,100 Hospitality: 2,700 Consumer durables: 2,556 ICT: 2,527 Sorry, I know you're a massive labour supporter and anti brexiteer. But you can't quote this. For a start, the employment level is at a record high. Half of these job losses are nothing to do with Brexit and 133,000 are foreign investment job losses that may, or may not have happened.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 24, 2020 22:58:21 GMT
The Brexit job loss index up to the 31st January has been released by Small Business Prices and here are the stats. last updated 31/01/2020: Total Jobs Lost: 436,296 Total Annual Wages Lost: £12,511,660,392 Reduction in Annual Income Tax & National Insurance Receipts: £3,747,289,625.52 Job Losses By Region Scotland: 30,223 Midlands: 26,318 North East: 22,324 London: 22,245 Wales 14,265 South West: 13,959 North West: 9,144 South East: 5,095 East of England: 5,027 Northern Ireland: 2,555 Gibraltar: 1,000 Southern England: 870 No specific region: 283,729 10 Worst Hit Cities & Towns Glasgow: 24,612 London: 22,245 Wylfa Newydd: 9,350 Scunthorpe: 6077 Swindon: 4,951 Manchester: 4,912 Yorkshire: 4,362 Bridgend: 4,010 Derby: 4,000 Hull: 3287 10 Worst Hit Sectors Automotive: 66,032 Transport: 39,143 Food & drink: 32,081 Finance: 18,399 Construction: 15,102 Clothing: 12,445 Aerospace: 4,324 Agriculture: 3,100 Hospitality: 2,700 Consumer durables: 2,556 ICT: 2,527 Sorry, I know you're a massive labour supporter and anti brexiteer. But you can't quote this. For a start, the employment level is at a record high. That is at best a piece of figure fudging. I shared an article that challenges this claim earlier in the thread - www.businessinsider.com/unemployment-in-the-uk-is-now-so-low-its-in-danger-of-exposing-the-lie-used-to-create-the-numbers-2017-7Not sure about this job loss report. The methodology does seem a bit contrived, but I certainly don't think Brexit is doing anyone's job security any good.
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Feb 25, 2020 18:35:52 GMT
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Post by luke90 on Feb 25, 2020 18:35:52 GMT
Would agree on the job security assessment. Still so much uncertainty. We've not even left really. Just got to wait and see really
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Post by Lobster on Feb 25, 2020 22:01:48 GMT
Not being funny but since we left the EU the weather has been absolute shite.
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Feb 26, 2020 8:54:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 8:54:18 GMT
As has their's. Apart from the warmer regions. Must be something to do with global warming
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Feb 26, 2020 10:34:32 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Feb 26, 2020 10:34:32 GMT
As has their's. Apart from the warmer regions. Must be something to do with global warming Thought global warming and the climate crisis didn’t exist?
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Feb 26, 2020 12:07:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 12:07:45 GMT
Pardon my attempt at humour. I had a feeling it would be you that came back with something.
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Feb 26, 2020 18:38:58 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Feb 26, 2020 18:38:58 GMT
Pardon my attempt at humour. I had a feeling it would be you that came back with something. It would be helpful if you would flag up when you’re attempting humour, just so we know.
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