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Mar 4, 2020 21:50:06 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 4, 2020 21:50:06 GMT
It isn’t always new developments that are affected by natural storms. Coastal areas and even town centres are often hit hard. Government need to act but to vote against a motion thanking the emergency services, volunteers and even the Environmental Agency shows just how much contempt this shower have for decency. Then again, climate change is a hoax invented by China isn’t it...
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Mar 4, 2020 22:29:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 22:29:37 GMT
what on earth are they doing having a vote on wether or not to say thanks.like thoughts and prayers they mean nothing.if the ditches streams etc had been maintained there would have been no flooding thats the problem years and years of neglect by every government.words mean nothing.we should get a few dutch engineers over here to show us how its done
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Mar 4, 2020 23:00:10 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 4, 2020 23:00:10 GMT
we should get a few dutch engineers over here to show us how its done I can only assume, given your posting history, that you’re being ironic.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 5, 2020 7:41:45 GMT
what on earth are they doing having a vote on wether or not to say thanks.like thoughts and prayers they mean nothing.if the ditches streams etc had been maintained there would have been no flooding thats the problem years and years of neglect by every government.words mean nothing.we should get a few dutch engineers over here to show us how its done But the vote wasnt just to say thanks was it, it called for a review of the way this Government has reacted to letting down millions of people, no surprise they (The Government voted against it). Whilst thousands of homes and businesses lay under water with no hope of any insurance because they cant even get a quote never mind afford one, the Prime Minister was announcing he had another woman who he is engaged to up the fluff, even though he is still legally married to his second wife, that's conservative family values for you. Even his Wiki page puts his children down as 5 or 6. You are quite right though, the ditches and streams needed maintaining, but ten years of austerity and constant cuts in budgets put paid to those, not incompetent British engineers.
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Mar 5, 2020 8:31:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 8:31:47 GMT
I am not interested in people's personal life it's up to them how they live it. You are saying that 10 years of austerity is the cause. Well I checked a few facts last night. Hebden bridge area has suffered again and the whole of that area. The first recorded flooding of the area was 1635 and has continued to flood every 2to3 years. But they continue to build in the area. There has been over 100 cases of flooding. You would think they would do there homework.
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Mar 5, 2020 10:30:32 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Mar 5, 2020 10:30:32 GMT
I am not interested in people's personal life it's up to them how they live it. You are saying that 10 years of austerity is the cause. Well I checked a few facts last night. Hebden bridge area has suffered again and the whole of that area. The first recorded flooding of the area was 1635 and has continued to flood every 2to3 years. But they continue to build in the area. There has been over 100 cases of flooding. You would think they would do there homework. Not sure what point you are trying to make here. Are you saying the increases in serious flooding we’ve experienced in recent years are solely due to building on flood plains and has nothing to do with climate change?
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Mar 5, 2020 11:38:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 11:38:06 GMT
I am saying if you don't learn by your mistakes you will continue to make them. There are solutions. I worked on a contract in 90s near sandicroft a known flood area we built a very large warehouse near to the dee. A large lagoon was dug with all the spoil going on to raising th banks of the dee. All drainage from the site went into the lagoon. From the lagoon to the dee a 1 metre pipe was laid. A large hinged steel door fitted on the end of it. When the tide was in the river pressure kept it closed and the lagoon would fill. When tide went out pressure from lagoon opened it and emptied into the dee. I haven't seen it flood since
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Post by Ian H Block on Mar 5, 2020 12:14:26 GMT
I am saying if you don't learn by your mistakes you will continue to make them. There are solutions. I worked on a contract in 90s near sandicroft a known flood area we built a very large warehouse near to the dee. A large lagoon was dug with all the spoil going on to raising th banks of the dee. All drainage from the site went into the lagoon. From the lagoon to the dee a 1 metre pipe was laid. A large hinged steel door fitted on the end of it. When the tide was in the river pressure kept it closed and the lagoon would fill. When tide went out pressure from lagoon opened it and emptied into the dee. I haven't seen it flood since Not sure how a balancing pond would help communities being flooded by rivers such as the Severn, Wye, Wharfe and Great Ouse. Whilst these towns did used to flood every 20 or 30 years, it is now happening with a lot more regularity and a lot more severely. This can only be the result of climate change, but it is very frustrating when a lot of people prefer to look at the symptoms rather than the causes of all this devastation.
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Mar 5, 2020 12:38:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 12:38:37 GMT
Just as frustrating when you know it will happen again yet nothing is done till it's too late. I know not building in valleys and on flood plains is not helping people who are already flooded but for want of a better solution it's a quick fix. Get the ditches and streams dreaded these are not expensive things to do. But to sit back and wait for the next one is stupidity
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Mar 5, 2020 12:40:58 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 5, 2020 12:40:58 GMT
Just as frustrating when you know it will happen again yet nothing is done till it's too late. I know not building in valleys and on flood plains is not helping people who are already flooded but for want of a better solution it's a quick fix. Get the ditches and streams dreaded these are not expensive things to do. But to sit back and wait for the next one is stupidity So what do you propose to do to centuries old settlements that are experiencing ever-worsening flooding? Town centre river areas etc. Bulldoze the lot?
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Mar 5, 2020 12:45:07 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 5, 2020 12:45:07 GMT
Just as frustrating when you know it will happen again yet nothing is done till it's too late. I know not building in valleys and on flood plains is not helping people who are already flooded but for want of a better solution it's a quick fix. Get the ditches and streams dreaded these are not expensive things to do. But to sit back and wait for the next one is stupidity Who is it exactly you think is sitting back and waiting for the next one to happen.. the homeowners?, the council?, the Environment Agency, The Government?, please do tell who is being stupid here?
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Mar 5, 2020 12:58:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 12:58:40 GMT
So what does you solution entail that will bring instant relief. The people who buy houses in these areas know what they are buying. The planning committee know the dangers but continually wave applications through.. Would you buy a house in a known flood area. My earlier comments about flooding 400 years ago in the same areas. we still haven't learned any thing.
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Post by Ian H Block on Mar 5, 2020 13:44:58 GMT
So what does you solution entail that will bring instant relief. The people who buy houses in these areas know what they are buying. The planning committee know the dangers but continually wave applications through.. Would you buy a house in a known flood area. My earlier comments about flooding 400 years ago in the same areas. we still haven't learned any thing. Again, you are looking at symptoms not causes. When parts of the U.K. have experienced monthly rainfall 237% higher than the 40 year average, you are going to get flooding in places that normally never see it.
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Mar 5, 2020 13:58:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 13:58:00 GMT
Totally agree so what is your solution.
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Mar 5, 2020 14:35:21 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 5, 2020 14:35:21 GMT
Totally agree so what is your solution. That governments recognise the climate crisis and act on it.
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Mar 5, 2020 14:40:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 14:40:25 GMT
and in the meantime .
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Mar 5, 2020 14:40:34 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Mar 5, 2020 14:40:34 GMT
Totally agree so what is your solution. In the short-term, increased resources for the Environment Agency and Local Authorities to engage in flood barriers, river dredging, natural flood management and tree planting. Long term we need to lead the way on tackling the climate emergency, not just pay lip service.
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Mar 5, 2020 14:54:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 14:54:51 GMT
All of those will have immediate effect. I've just seen planning permission for 120 House near garden City. On a flood plain. The river has been very high in this area recently.
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Post by Lobster on Mar 5, 2020 14:57:13 GMT
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Mar 5, 2020 15:03:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 15:03:18 GMT
That is true especially in Wales.
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Mar 6, 2020 7:14:03 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 6, 2020 7:14:03 GMT
So what does you solution entail that will bring instant relief. The people who buy houses in these areas know what they are buying. The planning committee know the dangers but continually wave applications through.. Would you buy a house in a known flood area. My earlier comments about flooding 400 years ago in the same areas. we still haven't learned any thing. That didn't answer my question.
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Mar 6, 2020 8:22:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 8:22:39 GMT
Local councils. Planners. People who know property is in flood areas yet still buy.i know what you would like me to say but I'm not biting.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 6, 2020 9:40:13 GMT
Local councils. Planners. People who know property is in flood areas yet still buy.i know what you would like me to say but I'm not biting. That doesn't make sense, Planners and people who buy property are not sitting back and waiting for the next one akin to stupidity. You know full well who could have mitigated this and its the current Government. Spineless, heartless and greedy.Adopt an i am alright jack position and then point the finger at everyone else. Class.
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Mar 6, 2020 9:42:08 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 6, 2020 9:42:08 GMT
Local councils. Planners. People who know property is in flood areas yet still buy.i know what you would like me to say but I'm not biting. That’s some tangent you’re going off on.
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Mar 6, 2020 9:53:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 9:53:14 GMT
I presume by your user name sychden blue that you live in Wales as I do. So who is to blame for the Welsh floods. Would that be our labour government
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Mar 6, 2020 9:55:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 9:55:01 GMT
That's me for today I'm off fishing while the sun shines.
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Mar 6, 2020 10:09:12 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 6, 2020 10:09:12 GMT
I presume by your user name sychden blue that you live in Wales as I do. So who is to blame for the Welsh floods. Would that be our labour government I actually live in Sychdyn. There’s no easy “blame” for any flooding, it’s an incredibly complex issue centred around historic events, changes in use of land over decades/centuries, development and the worsening climate crisis, but over a decade of cuts from central Westminster government to devolved governments and local councils certainly haven’t helped with planning for such eventualities.
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Mar 6, 2020 10:09:18 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Mar 6, 2020 10:09:18 GMT
I presume by your user name sychden blue that you live in Wales as I do. So who is to blame for the Welsh floods. Would that be our labour government Without tax-raising powers the Welsh Government just delivers Tory austerity by proxy.
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Mar 6, 2020 10:09:48 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Mar 6, 2020 10:09:48 GMT
That's me for today I'm off fishing while the sun shines. I hope you fare better there than you did here x
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Mar 6, 2020 10:54:28 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Mar 6, 2020 10:54:28 GMT
That's me for today I'm off fishing while the sun shines. Shame you dont live in somewhere like Ironbridge, you could just stick your rod out of an upstairs window (Although this may cause offence to some people!!)
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