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Jan 11, 2021 16:07:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 16:07:13 GMT
I thought we had seen the end of this after last night's shit storm.
I don't think people understand. There is nobody to hold the government to account because this is the way people voted. You may get your chance in 3 years time.
I was put on 75% warning for saying a lot less than I h b. Surely saying some one is slow on the uptake and correcting spelling is at best very childish and at worst very arrogant. You may not like this but not every one's opinion is the same as yours.
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Jan 11, 2021 16:11:53 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 16:11:53 GMT
I thought we had seen the end of this after last night's shit storm. I don't think people understand. There is nobody to hold the government to account because this is the way people voted. You may get your chance in 3 years time. I was put on 75% warning for saying a lot less than I h b. Surely saying some one is slow on the uptake and correcting spelling is at best very childish and at worst very arrogant. You may not like this but not every one's opinion is the same as yours. Correct. I have been treated the same by the mods, none of it justified and yet I Still have a 75% warning level. You can easily identify whether someone has a warning level by switching to the desktop version of the site in your browser and looking for the word 'offensive' on their profile. For some reason this is not visible on the mobile version of the site. I notice Mancot doesn't have this, and it bemuses me greatly |
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Jan 11, 2021 16:46:54 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 16:46:54 GMT
Yet again, you have no knowledge or information on any subject relating to Brexit, all you can do is link a newspaper article, or make a sweeping statement to hammer the government, this happens on a daily basis without fail. You don't offer solutions, you don't really care about the end result. All you care about is saying how shit it all is. Can you start to provide the labour generated solutions to all these problems in future? Maybe then I and others on here will start to take you and your party seriously Why should I offer solutions? You and the other Tory dullards own this mess. Very revealing that you recognise that this Government is so devoid of ideas they should be seeking advice from random non-league football fans. Still, couldn’t do a worse job that this shower. |
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Jan 11, 2021 16:53:52 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 16:53:52 GMT
Yet again, you have no knowledge or information on any subject relating to Brexit, all you can do is link a newspaper article, or make a sweeping statement to hammer the government, this happens on a daily basis without fail. You don't offer solutions, you don't really care about the end result. All you care about is saying how shit it all is. Can you start to provide the labour generated solutions to all these problems in future? Maybe then I and others on here will start to take you and your party seriously Why should I offer solutions? You and the other Tory dullards own this mess. Very revealing that you recognise that this Government is so devoid of ideas they should be seeking advice from random non-league football fans. Still, couldn’t do a worse job that this shower. Problems and solutions are the foundation of debate. But you don't want to debate, you just want to hammer the government. This is a forum, not a hate vehicle |
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Jan 11, 2021 17:00:49 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 17:00:49 GMT
Why should I offer solutions? You and the other Tory dullards own this mess. Very revealing that you recognise that this Government is so devoid of ideas they should be seeking advice from random non-league football fans. Still, couldn’t do a worse job that this shower. Problems and solutions are the foundation of debate. But you don't want to debate, you just want to hammer the government. This is a forum, not a hate vehicle If the Government was anything other than completely useless then there wouldn’t be a need to hammer them. We’ve had 10 years of Tory mis-rule inflicted upon us and in that time I cannot think of one policy they have successfully introduced that is of benefit to ordinary people. |
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Jan 11, 2021 17:18:54 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2021 17:18:54 GMT
Here’s a link from The Express of all places. Predictably they are blaming Johnny Foreigner for the temerity of enforcing rules we negotiated link
So to sum up... Some fish spoiled due to checks not being completed on time by the appointed vet. Scottish and UK governments are being asked to intervene due to problems with illegible customs documents filled out by exporters, and border systems not working as they should. What about the arrogance of the EU to demand all this stuff that didn't need to happen while we were in the EU? Is that not worth a mention? When legislation changes in any business or industry, there are ALWAYS teething problems. You chaps should know this due to your roles in local government and national health service... if you held a role of any importance that is... Who are you to say another persons job is any less important than anybody else’s? Talking of arrogance! |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 17:19:35 GMT
Problems and solutions are the foundation of debate. But you don't want to debate, you just want to hammer the government. This is a forum, not a hate vehicle If the Government was anything other than completely useless then there wouldn’t be a need to hammer them. We’ve had 10 years of Tory mis-rule inflicted upon us and in that time I cannot think of one policy they have successfully introduced that is of benefit to ordinary people. How would you even know if they did? All you see is the negative! |
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Jan 11, 2021 17:20:31 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2021 17:20:31 GMT
Why is it arrogance for the EU to demand stuff, we’re no longer in the EU? Logic fail there, especially as the rules and systems they are enforcing are ones we negotiated. Not sure if you’re deliberately obtuse or just slow on the uptake. Probably a bit of both. Just because we are no longer in the EU it doesn't mean the quality of our fish or means of transporting them have or will change. So in the case you provided there was absolutely no need for those huge quantities of fish to be spoiled. Its purely the child like attitude of the EU in an attempt to teach the UK a lesson. And you've swallowed it hook, line and sinker old bean Youre just begging for arguments on here, its pretty peurile if you ask me I could say you’ve swallowed the line that foreigners and the dastardly EU are to blame couldn’t I? This is the upshot of the deal that this government actually agreed before Christmas, no matter what else you suggest. |
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Jan 11, 2021 17:22:59 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 17:22:59 GMT
So to sum up... Some fish spoiled due to checks not being completed on time by the appointed vet. Scottish and UK governments are being asked to intervene due to problems with illegible customs documents filled out by exporters, and border systems not working as they should. What about the arrogance of the EU to demand all this stuff that didn't need to happen while we were in the EU? Is that not worth a mention? When legislation changes in any business or industry, there are ALWAYS teething problems. You chaps should know this due to your roles in local government and national health service... if you held a role of any importance that is... Who are you to say another persons job is any less important than anybody else’s? Talking of arrogance! Please accept my sincere apologies. |
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 11, 2021 17:37:23 GMT
Problems and solutions are the foundation of debate. But you don't want to debate, you just want to hammer the government. This is a forum, not a hate vehicle If the Government was anything other than completely useless then there wouldn’t be a need to hammer them. We’ve had 10 years of Tory mis-rule inflicted upon us and in that time I cannot think of one policy they have successfully introduced that is of benefit to ordinary people. This reminds me of that scene from Life of Brian. What have the Romans ever done for us? .......... |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jan 11, 2021 17:40:25 GMT
Problems and solutions are the foundation of debate. But you don't want to debate, you just want to hammer the government. This is a forum, not a hate vehicle If the Government was anything other than completely useless then there wouldn’t be a need to hammer them. I'm sure you'd find a reason Ian! |
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Jan 11, 2021 17:42:25 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2021 17:42:25 GMT
If the Government was anything other than completely useless then there wouldn’t be a need to hammer them. We’ve had 10 years of Tory mis-rule inflicted upon us and in that time I cannot think of one policy they have successfully introduced that is of benefit to ordinary people. This reminds me of that scene from Life of Brian. What have the Romans ever done for us? .......... Shocking comparison really, when you think about it. Suppose the Tories have built the roads to poverty, homelessness, destitution... |
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Jan 11, 2021 17:50:33 GMT
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Post by Bob on Jan 11, 2021 17:50:33 GMT
I do enjoy the mud slinging. Keep it up.
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Jan 11, 2021 17:52:49 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 17:52:49 GMT
If the Government was anything other than completely useless then there wouldn’t be a need to hammer them. We’ve had 10 years of Tory mis-rule inflicted upon us and in that time I cannot think of one policy they have successfully introduced that is of benefit to ordinary people. This reminds me of that scene from Life of Brian. What have the Romans ever done for us? .......... What have the Tories ever done for us? I’m waiting....... |
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Jan 11, 2021 17:54:06 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 11, 2021 17:54:06 GMT
I do enjoy the mud slinging. Keep it up. Stay tuned Bob the night is still young and there’s nothing on the telly. 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Jan 11, 2021 17:54:44 GMT
Post by Lobster on Jan 11, 2021 17:54:44 GMT
The question is, how long do we accept "teething problems" for, and does the end justify the means? I've not heard anyone in five years put any sort of factual, coherent argument forward as to what we actually gain from this. It's us who has spat our dummy out, so the responsibility lies with our government to deliver Brexit successfullly. The Tories have won an election on the back of this. Well done. Now I think everyone should hold them to high standards in asking them to make a success of it. I agree, and I'm sure every effort will be made to ensure these horror stories are kept to a minimum. But please tell me, how exactly do Ian and Mancots posts "hold the government to account"? All I can see is petty grenades being left to spark arguments, agree or disagree Lobster? It sparks debate and presents a certain argument that other members can back up, disagree with or even prove wrong.
I actually think this thread has got better for people like you getting more involved. I welcome conflicting views. Maybe I'm in the minority but I actually miss NFBF!
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Post by Lobster on Jan 11, 2021 18:00:35 GMT
I thought we had seen the end of this after last night's shit storm. I don't think people understand. There is nobody to hold the government to account because this is the way people voted. You may get your chance in 3 years time. That's not really how democracy works. You don't lose an election and then go "ho-hum, let's hope for better luck in five years' time". You constantly apply pressure - that's why we have a shadow cabinet - hold the party in power to their word and ideally try and force another election. You're arguing you should just put up with whatever a government does because they won an election.
Can't answer your question about warn levels, sorry. I don't use that function. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 11, 2021 18:04:11 GMT
If the Government was anything other than completely useless then there wouldn’t be a need to hammer them. I'm sure you'd find a reason Ian! If you're ideologically opposed to a party like many of us are to the Conservatives, then yes, you would always find reason to criticise them. The only way the Tories could get me to agree with them would be by not being the Tories, and then what would be the point in them?
I don't get these people who say "I always vote Labour, but this time I voted Tory" or vice versa. I get how you could go from say Labour to Green, Tory to UKIP, or from either to Lib Dem, but those two parties should be like chalk and cheese.
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 11, 2021 18:12:06 GMT
I thought we had seen the end of this after last night's shit storm. I don't think people understand. There is nobody to hold the government to account because this is the way people voted. You may get your chance in 3 years time. That's not really how democracy works. You don't lose an election and then go "ho-hum, let's hope for better luck in five years' time". You constantly apply pressure - that's why we have a shadow cabinet - hold the party in power to their word and ideally try and force another election. You're arguing you should just put up with whatever a government does because they won an election.
Can't answer your question about warn levels, sorry. I don't use that function. Look I’m not a Tory and I didn’t vote leave, but do you really think that the current Labour Party under Starmer represents a viable opposition. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 18:15:02 GMT
I thought we had seen the end of this after last night's shit storm. I don't think people understand. There is nobody to hold the government to account because this is the way people voted. You may get your chance in 3 years time. That's not really how democracy works. You don't lose an election and then go "ho-hum, let's hope for better luck in five years' time". You constantly apply pressure - that's why we have a shadow cabinet - hold the party in power to their word and ideally try and force another election. You're arguing you should just put up with whatever a government does because they won an election.
Can't answer your question about warn levels, sorry. I don't use that function. I'm not arguing you should just put up with anything, I am saying this government was returned with a massive majority, so no matter what. they will do exactly what they want to. There is no way this opposition will shift them or force them into a general election.we all don't like it when things go against us but arguing on here will change Jack.if you want to argue for the next 3 years it will seriously damage your life. You will get your chance in 3 years. |
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Jan 11, 2021 18:15:13 GMT
Post by Bob on Jan 11, 2021 18:15:13 GMT
I do enjoy the mud slinging. Keep it up. Stay tuned Bob the night is still young and there’s nothing on the telly. 🤣🤣🤣 Haha, it's great tbf.  |
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Jan 11, 2021 18:17:49 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 18:17:49 GMT
I agree, and I'm sure every effort will be made to ensure these horror stories are kept to a minimum. But please tell me, how exactly do Ian and Mancots posts "hold the government to account"? All I can see is petty grenades being left to spark arguments, agree or disagree Lobster? It sparks debate and presents a certain argument that other members can back up, disagree with or even prove wrong.
I actually think this thread has got better for people like you getting more involved. I welcome conflicting views. Maybe I'm in the minority but I actually miss NFBF!
So you don't think Ian and Mancot are using this thread as a hate vehicle to peddle every single negative story about the current government? And are you really trying to convince me that they are trying to spark debate? 🤣🤣🤣 Christ, you really do have rose tinted specs on! |
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Jan 11, 2021 18:21:09 GMT
Post by Lobster on Jan 11, 2021 18:21:09 GMT
That's not really how democracy works. You don't lose an election and then go "ho-hum, let's hope for better luck in five years' time". You constantly apply pressure - that's why we have a shadow cabinet - hold the party in power to their word and ideally try and force another election. You're arguing you should just put up with whatever a government does because they won an election.
Can't answer your question about warn levels, sorry. I don't use that function. Look I’m not a Tory and I didn’t vote leave, but do you really think that the current Labour Party under Starmer represents a viable opposition. No I don't. That's not the point I'm making. |
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Jan 11, 2021 18:23:31 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 11, 2021 18:23:31 GMT
I'm sure you'd find a reason Ian! If you're ideologically opposed to a party like many of us are to the Conservatives, then yes, you would always find reason to criticise them. The only way the Tories could get me to agree with them would be by not being the Tories, and then what would be the point in them?
I don't get these people who say "I always vote Labour, but this time I voted Tory" or vice versa. I get how you could go from say Labour to Green, Tory to UKIP, or from either to Lib Dem, but those two parties should be like chalk and cheese.
I know you don’t get the people who say ‘I always vote Labour but this time I voted Tory’ but how do you feel about those who say ‘I always vote Labour and that’s the way I always vote regardless of policies’? |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 18:27:16 GMT
It sparks debate and presents a certain argument that other members can back up, disagree with or even prove wrong.
I actually think this thread has got better for people like you getting more involved. I welcome conflicting views. Maybe I'm in the minority but I actually miss NFBF!
So you don't think Ian and Mancot are using this thread as a hate vehicle to peddle every single negative story about the current government? And are you really trying to convince me that they are trying to spark debate? 🤣🤣🤣 Christ, you really do have rose tinted specs on! Hate vehicle? Listen to yourself man. This is the off-topic section of Deva Chat, not Parler or QAnon. As for only posting negative stories about this Government, show me some positive ones. I’ve asked another poster to identify all the great things the Tories have done for ordinary people in the past 10 years, perhaps you would like to have a go too. |
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Jan 11, 2021 18:32:49 GMT
Post by Lobster on Jan 11, 2021 18:32:49 GMT
If you're ideologically opposed to a party like many of us are to the Conservatives, then yes, you would always find reason to criticise them. The only way the Tories could get me to agree with them would be by not being the Tories, and then what would be the point in them?
I don't get these people who say "I always vote Labour, but this time I voted Tory" or vice versa. I get how you could go from say Labour to Green, Tory to UKIP, or from either to Lib Dem, but those two parties should be like chalk and cheese.
I know you don’t get the people who say ‘I always vote Labour but this time I voted Tory’ but how do you feel about those who say ‘I always vote Labour and that’s the way I always vote regardless of policies’? Good question. I think you should vote based on ideology first and foremost rather than any particular politician, so if you believe the heart of the party is closest to what you identify with, I can understand picking your side and sticking with it. That said, I don't really think it's healthy to become too attached to one party. Parties should be accountable to their own voters as well as their opposition, so if you support them blindly, you're not making them earn your backing. |
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Jan 11, 2021 18:38:45 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 11, 2021 18:38:45 GMT
I know you don’t get the people who say ‘I always vote Labour but this time I voted Tory’ but how do you feel about those who say ‘I always vote Labour and that’s the way I always vote regardless of policies’? Good question. I think you should vote based on ideology first and foremost rather than any particular politician, so if you believe the heart of the party is closest to what you identify with, I can understand picking your side and sticking with it. That said, I don't really think it's healthy to become too attached to one party. Parties should be accountable to their own voters as well as their opposition, so if you support them blindly, you're not making them earn your backing. Okay then. So if there was an election tomorrow you would vote Labour, based on ideology, even though you don’t think that, in their current state, they are a viable opposition? |
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Jan 11, 2021 18:41:52 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 18:41:52 GMT
So you don't think Ian and Mancot are using this thread as a hate vehicle to peddle every single negative story about the current government? And are you really trying to convince me that they are trying to spark debate? 🤣🤣🤣 Christ, you really do have rose tinted specs on! Hate vehicle? Listen to yourself man. This is the off-topic section of Deva Chat, not Parler or QAnon. As for only posting negative stories about this Government, show me some positive ones. I’ve asked another poster to identify all the great things the Tories have done for ordinary people in the past 10 years, perhaps you would like to have a go too. Theres plenty of policy changes they have promised and achieved since 2010. Just Google it to find reports and articles on it. I dont feel the need to post any of that here because I'm not a tory. Let's be clear, my opposition here is you two who love to hammer whoever is in charge. You don't even like the leader of your chosen party for christs sake! Yet you want to influence people to vote against them by posting negative stories about the tory party everyday, with a blatant disregard for anything positive they have done. Tell me, how has Brexit affected your own life? What have you as a self proclaimed ordinary man lost? |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 18:44:46 GMT
Hate vehicle? Listen to yourself man. This is the off-topic section of Deva Chat, not Parler or QAnon. As for only posting negative stories about this Government, show me some positive ones. I’ve asked another poster to identify all the great things the Tories have done for ordinary people in the past 10 years, perhaps you would like to have a go too. Theres plenty of policy changes they have promised and achieved since 2010. Just Google it to find reports and articles on it. I dont feel the need to post any of that here because I'm not a tory. Let's be clear, my opposition here is you two who love to hammer whoever is in charge. You don't even like the leader of your chosen party for christs sake! Yet you want to influence people to vote against them by posting negative stories about the tory party everyday, with a blatant disregard for anything positive they have done. Tell me, how has Brexit affected your own life? What are you as a self proclaimed ordinary man lost? Why should I have to Google it? You should be posting multiple links like you require other posters to do. Your lack of self-awareness is remarkable. Still waiting to hear any positive Tory news, silence is deafening. |
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Jan 11, 2021 18:47:31 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 18:47:31 GMT
Theres plenty of policy changes they have promised and achieved since 2010. Just Google it to find reports and articles on it. I dont feel the need to post any of that here because I'm not a tory. Let's be clear, my opposition here is you two who love to hammer whoever is in charge. You don't even like the leader of your chosen party for christs sake! Yet you want to influence people to vote against them by posting negative stories about the tory party everyday, with a blatant disregard for anything positive they have done. Tell me, how has Brexit affected your own life? What are you as a self proclaimed ordinary man lost? Why should I have to Google it? You should be posting multiple links like you require other posters to do. Your lack of self-awareness is remarkable. Its simple, I dont have an agenda on here, only to challenge the lies you post. Which is remarkably easy once you understand just how bitter and spiteful you are as an individual |
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