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Jan 11, 2021 18:53:14 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2021 18:53:14 GMT
I know you don’t get the people who say ‘I always vote Labour but this time I voted Tory’ but how do you feel about those who say ‘I always vote Labour and that’s the way I always vote regardless of policies’? Good question. I think you should vote based on ideology first and foremost rather than any particular politician, so if you believe the heart of the party is closest to what you identify with, I can understand picking your side and sticking with it. That said, I don't really think it's healthy to become too attached to one party. Parties should be accountable to their own voters as well as their opposition, so if you support them blindly, you're not making them earn your backing. For the first time this year, I won’t be voting Labour (Senedd elections in May). Unless Welsh Labour can break ties with their big brother in Westminster that is. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 18:53:26 GMT
Why should I have to Google it? You should be posting multiple links like you require other posters to do. Your lack of self-awareness is remarkable. Its simple, I dont have an agenda on here, only to challenge the lies you post. Which is remarkably easy once you understand just how bitter and spiteful you are as an individual Bitter and spiteful? There you go with the zero self-awareness again. Still waiting for these positive Tory stories. |
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Jan 11, 2021 19:05:30 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 11, 2021 19:05:30 GMT
Good question. I think you should vote based on ideology first and foremost rather than any particular politician, so if you believe the heart of the party is closest to what you identify with, I can understand picking your side and sticking with it. That said, I don't really think it's healthy to become too attached to one party. Parties should be accountable to their own voters as well as their opposition, so if you support them blindly, you're not making them earn your backing. For the first time this year, I won’t be voting Labour (Senedd elections in May). Unless Welsh Labour can break ties with their big brother in Westminster that is. So will you vote for an alternative party or not vote, out of interest? |
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Jan 11, 2021 19:12:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 19:12:48 GMT
How about furlough payments loans and grants to companies. Mortgage breaks. Feeding children during school holidays. Eat out to help out (you all used it)
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Jan 11, 2021 19:28:30 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2021 19:28:30 GMT
For the first time this year, I won’t be voting Labour (Senedd elections in May). Unless Welsh Labour can break ties with their big brother in Westminster that is. So will you vote for an alternative party or not vote, out of interest? I will vote for an alternative Party. |
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Jan 11, 2021 19:59:05 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2021 19:59:05 GMT
How about furlough payments loans and grants to companies. Mortgage breaks. Feeding children during school holidays. Eat out to help out (you all used it) So throughout ten years, you only list the minor short-term measures that it took a killer virus for them to implement? The “feeding hungry children” one is a stretch, let’s be honest. |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:01:50 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 20:01:50 GMT
How about furlough payments loans and grants to companies. Mortgage breaks. Feeding children during school holidays. Eat out to help out (you all used it) So throughout ten years, you only list the minor short-term measures that it took a killer virus for them to implement? The “feeding hungry children” one is a stretch, let’s be honest. Didn't take you long to turn that positive into a negative 🙄 |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:02:58 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 11, 2021 20:02:58 GMT
How about furlough payments loans and grants to companies. Mortgage breaks. Feeding children during school holidays. Eat out to help out (you all used it) So throughout ten years, you only list the minor short-term measures that it took a killer virus for them to implement? The “feeding hungry children” one is a stretch, let’s be honest. I’m not sure everyone who received furlough payments would describe them as a minor measure. |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:04:25 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2021 20:04:25 GMT
So throughout ten years, you only list the minor short-term measures that it took a killer virus for them to implement? The “feeding hungry children” one is a stretch, let’s be honest. Didn't take you long to turn that positive into a negative 🙄 It shouldn’t take a Premier League footballer campaigning for a government to feed its children. Look at it now - they want people to stay at home but don’t want to give them adequate sick pay or enough money to be able to self-isolate. Come on (Tory) boys, you’re scraping the barrel here. What about 2010-2020? |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:08:31 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 20:08:31 GMT
Didn't take you long to turn that positive into a negative 🙄 It shouldn’t take a Premier League footballer campaigning for a government to feed its children. Look at it now - they want people to stay at home but don’t want to give them adequate sick pay or enough money to be able to self-isolate. Come on (Tory) boys, you’re scraping the barrel here. What about 2010-2020? I'm not a tory and have no desire to spend my time fighting their corner. My issue is with you chaps who love to spread hate |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:09:48 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 20:09:48 GMT
So throughout ten years, you only list the minor short-term measures that it took a killer virus for them to implement? The “feeding hungry children” one is a stretch, let’s be honest. Didn't take you long to turn that positive into a negative 🙄 So it’s a positive that after 10 years of Tory rule there are millions of children going hungry? |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:12:20 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 20:12:20 GMT
It shouldn’t take a Premier League footballer campaigning for a government to feed its children. Look at it now - they want people to stay at home but don’t want to give them adequate sick pay or enough money to be able to self-isolate. Come on (Tory) boys, you’re scraping the barrel here. What about 2010-2020? I'm not a tory and have no desire to spend my time fighting their corner. My issue is with you chaps who love to spread hate Have you got a link for this ‘not a Tory’ claim? |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:14:02 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 11, 2021 20:14:02 GMT
Didn't take you long to turn that positive into a negative 🙄 It shouldn’t take a Premier League footballer campaigning for a government to feed its children. Look at it now - they want people to stay at home but don’t want to give them adequate sick pay or enough money to be able to self-isolate. Come on (Tory) boys, you’re scraping the barrel here. What about 2010-2020? Sorry (ex Labour) boy. I didn’t realize you needed evidence for a particular month of the last ten years, who exactly is scraping the bottom of the barrel here? |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:16:15 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jan 11, 2021 20:16:15 GMT
Good question. I think you should vote based on ideology first and foremost rather than any particular politician, so if you believe the heart of the party is closest to what you identify with, I can understand picking your side and sticking with it. That said, I don't really think it's healthy to become too attached to one party. Parties should be accountable to their own voters as well as their opposition, so if you support them blindly, you're not making them earn your backing. Okay then. So if there was an election tomorrow you would vote Labour, based on ideology, even though you don’t think that, in their current state, they are a viable opposition? They're more viable than the alternative, so probably yes. Plus I vote for my local MP as well. |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:20:08 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 20:20:08 GMT
I'm not a tory and have no desire to spend my time fighting their corner. My issue is with you chaps who love to spread hate Have you got a link for this ‘not a Tory’ claim? Here's your PUERILE side again, how old are you? I'm gonna guess at... 48 Should know better |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 20:21:56 GMT
Didn't take you long to turn that positive into a negative 🙄 It shouldn’t take a Premier League footballer campaigning for a government to feed its children. Look at it now - they want people to stay at home but don’t want to give them adequate sick pay or enough money to be able to self-isolate. Come on (Tory) boys, you’re scraping the barrel here. What about 2010-2020? didn't think you would bite. This the footballer man u signed 1 year younger than normal age because he was living in poverty. And as he says he often went hungry the first ten years of his life. Yes it is wrong no child should go hungry. But you do know who was in power the first 10 years of his life. Stand up Tony Blair and the Labour Party. Not that much difference in the parties |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:28:14 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 20:28:14 GMT
Have you got a link for this ‘not a Tory’ claim? Here's your PUERILE side again, how old are you? I'm gonna guess at... 48 Should know better Well done you. Only took you three goes to get the spelling right. |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 20:29:21 GMT
Here's your PUERILE side again, how old are you? I'm gonna guess at... 48 Should know better Well done you. Only took you three goes to get the spelling right. Thanks, I'm a really quick learner. Its on my CV |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:32:52 GMT
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 20:32:52 GMT
It shouldn’t take a Premier League footballer campaigning for a government to feed its children. Look at it now - they want people to stay at home but don’t want to give them adequate sick pay or enough money to be able to self-isolate. Come on (Tory) boys, you’re scraping the barrel here. What about 2010-2020? didn't think you would bite. This the footballer man u signed 1 year younger than normal age because he was living in poverty. And as he says he often went hungry the first ten years of his life. Yes it is wrong no child should go hungry. But you do know who was in power the first 10 years of his life. Stand up Tony Blair and the Labour Party. Not that much difference in the parties When the Tories came to power in 2010, 41,000 people were reliant on food banks. Ten years on, that number has increased to 1.2 million. Bit of a difference, I’m sure you’ll agree link |
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 11, 2021 20:40:30 GMT
didn't think you would bite. This the footballer man u signed 1 year younger than normal age because he was living in poverty. And as he says he often went hungry the first ten years of his life. Yes it is wrong no child should go hungry. But you do know who was in power the first 10 years of his life. Stand up Tony Blair and the Labour Party. Not that much difference in the parties When the Tories came to power in 2010, 41,000 people were reliant on food banks. Ten years on, that number has increased to 1.2 million. Bit of a difference, I’m sure you’ll agree linkDid you read all of the article or just the first few paragraphs? |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:43:00 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 20:43:00 GMT
didn't think you would bite. This the footballer man u signed 1 year younger than normal age because he was living in poverty. And as he says he often went hungry the first ten years of his life. Yes it is wrong no child should go hungry. But you do know who was in power the first 10 years of his life. Stand up Tony Blair and the Labour Party. Not that much difference in the parties When the Tories came to power in 2010, 41,000 people were reliant on food banks. Ten years on, that number has increased to 1.2 million. Bit of a difference, I’m sure you’ll agree linkFood banks have become more prominent in all countries in the developed world since 2008... Its a mixture of governments cutting welfare, not just in UK, and more people being made aware that they can get food from them Also, that link you posted is a bit of an own goal... That charity has no idea who and how many people use them on a daily basis 🙄 so the numbers can't be validated |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:46:45 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 20:46:45 GMT
When the Tories came to power in 2010, 41,000 people were reliant on food banks. Ten years on, that number has increased to 1.2 million. Bit of a difference, I’m sure you’ll agree linkDid you read all of the article or just the first few paragraphs? Yes, and that’s an exponential increase in food bank use. Don’t forget the Trussell Trust is just one supplier of food parcels amongst many and most people accessing them are in work. |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:49:08 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 20:49:08 GMT
Did you read all of the article or just the first few paragraphs? Yes, and that’s an exponential increase in food bank use. Don’t forget the Trussell Trust is just one supplier of food parcels amongst many and most people accessing them are in work. Most people accessing them are in work 🤣🤣🤣 How is the government to blame if they are EMPLOYED? |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:52:40 GMT
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 20:52:40 GMT
When the Tories came to power in 2010, 41,000 people were reliant on food banks. Ten years on, that number has increased to 1.2 million. Bit of a difference, I’m sure you’ll agree linkFood banks have become more prominent in all countries in the developed world since 2008... Its a mixture of governments cutting welfare, not just in UK, and more people being made aware that they can get food from them Also, that link you posted is a bit of an own goal... That charity has no idea who and how many people use them on a daily basis 🙄 so the numbers can't be validated These people seem to have a very accurate idea of the number of people accessing food banks link |
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 11, 2021 20:53:13 GMT
Did you read all of the article or just the first few paragraphs? Yes, and that’s an exponential increase in food bank use. Don’t forget the Trussell Trust is just one supplier of food parcels amongst many and most people accessing them are in work. Did you miss the bit that said that they can’t be sure that the increased use of food banks is down to increased demand? |
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Jan 11, 2021 20:56:17 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 20:56:17 GMT
Food banks have become more prominent in all countries in the developed world since 2008... Its a mixture of governments cutting welfare, not just in UK, and more people being made aware that they can get food from them Also, that link you posted is a bit of an own goal... That charity has no idea who and how many people use them on a daily basis 🙄 so the numbers can't be validated These people seem to have a very accurate idea of the number of people accessing food banks linkSo tell me, what point are you trying to make? |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 20:58:47 GMT
Yes, and that’s an exponential increase in food bank use. Don’t forget the Trussell Trust is just one supplier of food parcels amongst many and most people accessing them are in work. Most people accessing them are in work 🤣🤣🤣 How is the government to blame if they are EMPLOYED? Just spitballing here but maybe they could raise the minimum wage or introduce a mandatory living wage, reduce job insecurity, rent controls, maybe reverse the privatisation rip-offs of water and energy suppliers. It really doesn’t need to be like this, it’s just that we’ve had a succession of Tory Governments who prioritise tax cuts and handouts to the rich at the expense of the rest of us. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 21:01:06 GMT
These people seem to have a very accurate idea of the number of people accessing food banks linkSo tell me, what point are you trying to make? It’s hardly a nebulous concept, but after 10 years of Tory rule many, many more people are having to access food banks to feed themselves. |
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Jan 11, 2021 21:03:49 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 21:03:49 GMT
Most people accessing them are in work 🤣🤣🤣 How is the government to blame if they are EMPLOYED? Just spitballing here but maybe they could raise the minimum wage or introduce a mandatory living wage, reduce job insecurity, rent controls, maybe reverse the privatisation rip-offs of water and energy suppliers. It really doesn’t need to be like this, it’s just that we’ve had a succession of Tory Governments who prioritise tax cuts and handouts to the rich at the expense of the rest of us. So you want the government to bankrupt the country like Labour did last time they were in power so people can live beyond their means and claim benefits to the same level they used to? |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 21:10:16 GMT
Just spitballing here but maybe they could raise the minimum wage or introduce a mandatory living wage, reduce job insecurity, rent controls, maybe reverse the privatisation rip-offs of water and energy suppliers. It really doesn’t need to be like this, it’s just that we’ve had a succession of Tory Governments who prioritise tax cuts and handouts to the rich at the expense of the rest of us. So you want the government to bankrupt the country like Labour did last time they were in power so people can live beyond their means and claim benefits to the same level they used to? That old chestnut. The country was never bankrupt, it was just a lie to fool the gullible and hard of thinking. Bet you were one of those helmets telling anyone who’d listen that we ‘maxxed out the credit cards’ and need to ‘tighten our belts’: a walking, talking Daily Mail. Austerity was built on a lie and was a vehicle to roll back the state, destroy public services whilst diverting funds to the mega-rich. And in ten years the Tories have borrowed more money than every Labour administration put together and the country has absolutely nothing to show for it. |
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