|
|
BREXIT
Jan 11, 2021 21:13:58 GMT
via mobile
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 21:13:58 GMT
So you want the government to bankrupt the country like Labour did last time they were in power so people can live beyond their means and claim benefits to the same level they used to? That old chestnut. The country was never bankrupt, it was just a lie to fool the gullible and hard of thinking. Bet you were one of those helmets telling anyone who’d listen that we ‘maxxed out the credit cards’ and need to ‘tighten our belts’: a walking, talking Daily Mail. Austerity was built on a lie and was a vehicle to roll back the state, destroy public services whilst diverting funds to the mega-rich. And in ten years the Tories have borrowed more money than every Labour administration put together and the country has absolutely nothing to show for it. So the banking crash in 2008 didn't happen? And every country in the globe hasn't introduced austerity measures since? What did we have to show for labours economic budgeting last time they were in power? I'm struggling to recall |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 11, 2021 21:24:12 GMT
via mobile
Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2021 21:24:12 GMT
It shouldn’t take a Premier League footballer campaigning for a government to feed its children. Look at it now - they want people to stay at home but don’t want to give them adequate sick pay or enough money to be able to self-isolate. Come on (Tory) boys, you’re scraping the barrel here. What about 2010-2020? didn't think you would bite. This the footballer man u signed 1 year younger than normal age because he was living in poverty. And as he says he often went hungry the first ten years of his life. Yes it is wrong no child should go hungry. But you do know who was in power the first 10 years of his life. Stand up Tony Blair and the Labour Party. Not that much difference in the parties I agree with you, not a major deal difference between 1997 and 2010 and the 2020- Labour Party and the Tories in terms of where their priorities lay. Of course the Tories have gone far too far than even Tory Lite Labour ever could. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 11, 2021 21:27:31 GMT
via mobile
Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2021 21:27:31 GMT
Yes, and that’s an exponential increase in food bank use. Don’t forget the Trussell Trust is just one supplier of food parcels amongst many and most people accessing them are in work. Most people accessing them are in work 🤣🤣🤣 How is the government to blame if they are EMPLOYED? Oh dear, you really don’t get it do you? Nurses and teachers using food banks to feed their family. Gig economy couriers. I could go on. The government are entirely responsible. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 11, 2021 21:28:23 GMT
via mobile
Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2021 21:28:23 GMT
Just spitballing here but maybe they could raise the minimum wage or introduce a mandatory living wage, reduce job insecurity, rent controls, maybe reverse the privatisation rip-offs of water and energy suppliers. It really doesn’t need to be like this, it’s just that we’ve had a succession of Tory Governments who prioritise tax cuts and handouts to the rich at the expense of the rest of us. So you want the government to bankrupt the country like Labour did last time they were in power so people can live beyond their means and claim benefits to the same level they used to? Oh dear, where’s the link for your spurious claims/fake news? |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 11, 2021 21:29:45 GMT
via mobile
Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2021 21:29:45 GMT
That old chestnut. The country was never bankrupt, it was just a lie to fool the gullible and hard of thinking. Bet you were one of those helmets telling anyone who’d listen that we ‘maxxed out the credit cards’ and need to ‘tighten our belts’: a walking, talking Daily Mail. Austerity was built on a lie and was a vehicle to roll back the state, destroy public services whilst diverting funds to the mega-rich. And in ten years the Tories have borrowed more money than every Labour administration put together and the country has absolutely nothing to show for it. So the banking crash in 2008 didn't happen? And every country in the globe hasn't introduced austerity measures since? What did we have to show for labours economic budgeting last time they were in power? I'm struggling to recall Hold on a minute, who are you blaming now? Labour or the Tories friends in the banks? I suggest you get your argument straight before you post next time. Then again you’re obviously told what to think by the Daily Mail judging by your earlier comments. |
|
|
|
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 21:31:28 GMT
That old chestnut. The country was never bankrupt, it was just a lie to fool the gullible and hard of thinking. Bet you were one of those helmets telling anyone who’d listen that we ‘maxxed out the credit cards’ and need to ‘tighten our belts’: a walking, talking Daily Mail. Austerity was built on a lie and was a vehicle to roll back the state, destroy public services whilst diverting funds to the mega-rich. And in ten years the Tories have borrowed more money than every Labour administration put together and the country has absolutely nothing to show for it. So the banking crash in 2008 didn't happen? And every country in the globe hasn't introduced austerity measures since? What did we have to show for labours economic budgeting last time they were in power? I'm struggling to recall Labour didn’t cause the global banking crash but you seemed to imply that it happened because they employed record numbers of nurses or reduced classroom sizes below 30. Austerity wasn’t the only option and it’s clear that countries who ditched this deeply flawed policy earlier have fared better: Portugal and its socialist government post 2015 is a case in point. It’s telling that the IMF is urging countries NOT to adopt austerity after Covid19. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 11, 2021 21:35:43 GMT
via mobile
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 11, 2021 21:35:43 GMT
I see you've both resorted to accusing me of reading the daily mail.
Good night you predictable bores
I'll see if I have the energy to debunk your lies in future, its pretty draining trying to have a reasonable debate with such negativity
|
|
|
|
Post by Si on Jan 11, 2021 21:38:02 GMT
This has been a cracking read today. It's like when kids play football in the streets and their old dears call them in for tea but then its straight back out to play afterwards. I love it, keep going fellas 😂
|
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 11, 2021 21:39:59 GMT
via mobile
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 21:39:59 GMT
I see you've both resorted to accusing me of reading the daily mail. Good night you predictable bores I'll see if I have the energy to debunk your lies in future, its pretty draining trying to have a reasonable debate with such negativity So ruddy, bloody brave. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 11, 2021 21:42:12 GMT
via mobile
Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2021 21:42:12 GMT
I see you've both resorted to accusing me of reading the daily mail. Good night you predictable bores I'll see if I have the energy to debunk your lies in future, its pretty draining trying to have a reasonable debate with such negativity Imagine saying hospitals aren’t being overwhelmed and Labour caused the worldwide financial crisis of 2008 in one breath, and then throw “debunk your lies” at others in another. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 11, 2021 23:12:14 GMT
Post by Deva Chanter on Jan 11, 2021 23:12:14 GMT
Purposefully not engaged with this for a while, but fair does, claiming Labour was responsible for the 2008 economic crash is a bit like saying the Tories are at fault for the creation of Covid.
I absolutely loathe Tony Blair and think he should be rotting in a prison cell and yes, the rampant neoliberal bollocks he has always supported was responsible for 2008 but seriously, bore off with the Labour crashed the global economy in 2008 bollocks - its astonishingly embarrassing.
|
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 9:35:02 GMT
via mobile
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 12, 2021 9:35:02 GMT
Purposefully not engaged with this for a while, but fair does, claiming Labour was responsible for the 2008 economic crash is a bit like saying the Tories are at fault for the creation of Covid. I absolutely loathe Tony Blair and think he should be rotting in a prison cell and yes, the rampant neoliberal bollocks he has always supported was responsible for 2008 but seriously, bore off with the Labour crashed the global economy in 2008 bollocks - its astonishingly embarrassing. Good greif, you and Mancot need to put your glasses on. I didnt say Labour caused the crash in 2008 🙄 I did say that I believe it is the main cause of the introduction of food banks to the globe, not just the UK. And austerity measures have followed which have probably also contributed to the necessary growth in numbers of food banks. But we are not alone far from it. So to go after the current government for that means you have to go after all major economy governments for it too. But that doesn't fit the narrative of this off topic forum |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 11:42:19 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 12, 2021 11:42:19 GMT
Purposefully not engaged with this for a while, but fair does, claiming Labour was responsible for the 2008 economic crash is a bit like saying the Tories are at fault for the creation of Covid. I absolutely loathe Tony Blair and think he should be rotting in a prison cell and yes, the rampant neoliberal bollocks he has always supported was responsible for 2008 but seriously, bore off with the Labour crashed the global economy in 2008 bollocks - its astonishingly embarrassing. Good greif, you and Mancot need to put your glasses on. I didnt say Labour caused the crash in 2008 🙄 I did say that I believe it is the main cause of the introduction of food banks to the globe, not just the UK. And austerity measures have followed which have probably also contributed to the necessary growth in numbers of food banks. But we are not alone far from it. So to go after the current government for that means you have to go after all major economy governments for it too. But that doesn't fit the narrative of this off topic forum You said that Labour bankrupted the country when they were last in Government. Was it Labour or the banking crash that you said they didnt cause, please enlighten us? |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 11:45:17 GMT
via mobile
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 12, 2021 11:45:17 GMT
Good greif, you and Mancot need to put your glasses on. I didnt say Labour caused the crash in 2008 🙄 I did say that I believe it is the main cause of the introduction of food banks to the globe, not just the UK. And austerity measures have followed which have probably also contributed to the necessary growth in numbers of food banks. But we are not alone far from it. So to go after the current government for that means you have to go after all major economy governments for it too. But that doesn't fit the narrative of this off topic forum You said that Labour bankrupted the country when they were last in Government. Was it Labour or the banking crash that you said they didnt cause, please enlighten us? Labour were in power when it happened so I guess using Mancots, Ians, devachanter and it seems your predictable and boring argument, the government in power allowed it to happen 👍 |
|
|
|
Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 12, 2021 12:16:54 GMT
You said that Labour bankrupted the country when they were last in Government. Was it Labour or the banking crash that you said they didnt cause, please enlighten us? Labour were in power when it happened so I guess using Mancots, Ians, devachanter and it seems your predictable and boring argument, the government in power allowed it to happen 👍 So using your predictable and boring retort, The Government in power at the time (Labour) allowed the world economic crash to happen? Using your request to provide substantial information to back arguments up could you provide a link to this? |
|
|
|
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 12, 2021 12:31:27 GMT
You said that Labour bankrupted the country when they were last in Government. Was it Labour or the banking crash that you said they didnt cause, please enlighten us? Labour were in power when it happened so I guess using Mancots, Ians, devachanter and it seems your predictable and boring argument, the government in power allowed it to happen 👍 Aye, I’m just about old enough to remember Ted Heath causing the Oil Crisis in 1973. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 12:34:13 GMT
via mobile
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 12, 2021 12:34:13 GMT
So, got any negative press cuttings about Brexit to keep this thread on topic? Or should this one be shut down too?
|
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 14:18:22 GMT
Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 12, 2021 14:18:22 GMT
|
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 14:45:09 GMT
via mobile
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 12, 2021 14:45:09 GMT
Did you read the bit at the bottom with the governments response given on Sunday? "The flow of goods between GB and NI has been smooth overall and arrivals of freight have continued to increase substantially over this week," a NIO spokeswoman said. "There are no significant queues at NI ports, and supermarkets are reporting healthy supplies into their Northern Ireland stores." Again, you are trying to make a point based on manufacturers not providing the right paperwork with the goods. In other words the 3 years they had to prepare and make sure their paperwork was compliant was wasted. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 14:56:59 GMT
via mobile
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 12, 2021 14:56:59 GMT
Did you read the bit at the bottom with the governments response given on Sunday? "The flow of goods between GB and NI has been smooth overall and arrivals of freight have continued to increase substantially over this week," a NIO spokeswoman said. "There are no significant queues at NI ports, and supermarkets are reporting healthy supplies into their Northern Ireland stores." Again, you are trying to make a point based on manufacturers not providing the right paperwork with the goods. In other words the 3 years they had to prepare and make sure their paperwork was compliant was wasted. How have they had 3 years when up until a fortnight ago nobody knew what the arrangements were going to be. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 14:58:10 GMT
via mobile
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 12, 2021 14:58:10 GMT
Did you read the bit at the bottom with the governments response given on Sunday? "The flow of goods between GB and NI has been smooth overall and arrivals of freight have continued to increase substantially over this week," a NIO spokeswoman said. "There are no significant queues at NI ports, and supermarkets are reporting healthy supplies into their Northern Ireland stores." Again, you are trying to make a point based on manufacturers not providing the right paperwork with the goods. In other words the 3 years they had to prepare and make sure their paperwork was compliant was wasted. How have they had 3 years when up until a fortnight ago nobody knew what the arrangements were going to be. Prepare for the worst case scenario, like most of the other businesses did... not wait until last minute looking for someone to blame... |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 15:20:25 GMT
Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 12, 2021 15:20:25 GMT
How have they had 3 years when up until a fortnight ago nobody knew what the arrangements were going to be. Prepare for the worst case scenario, like most of the other businesses did... not wait until last minute looking for someone to blame... I'm not savvy with import/export so might be a stupid question - were businesses aware of exactly what paperwork would be required if we didn't have a deal in place and what would be required if we did? If so then, fair enough, you probably should have had both sets in hand then thrown away the set you didn't need. You'd have to eat the cost of course, but I suppose you'd do it if it was essential to keep you trading. If not I can see how it would be difficult for some businesses at short notice. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 15:23:38 GMT
via mobile
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 12, 2021 15:23:38 GMT
Prepare for the worst case scenario, like most of the other businesses did... not wait until last minute looking for someone to blame... I'm not savvy with import/export so might be a stupid question - were businesses aware of exactly what paperwork would be required if we didn't have a deal in place and what would be required if we did? If so then, fair enough, you probably should have had both sets in hand then thrown away the set you didn't need. You'd have to eat the cost of course, but I suppose you'd do it if it was essential to keep you trading. If not I can see how it would be difficult for some businesses at short notice. Depends on the goods being shipped. I deal with medicines which are heavily regulated. And the terms we have with our NI customers mean they sort the customs declarations out. But even so, good preparation and last minute agility was done before the deadline where I work. I doubt foodstuffs are bound by the same level of regulation so I have no sympathy |
|
|
|
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 12, 2021 15:29:31 GMT
How have they had 3 years when up until a fortnight ago nobody knew what the arrangements were going to be. Prepare for the worst case scenario, like most of the other businesses did... not wait until last minute looking for someone to blame... I think it was the Tory Government who waited until the very last minute to formulate the new arrangements, business leaders had been asking about the protocols for months. Considering they had four years to conclude the ‘easiest negotiation in the world’ (their description), unsurprisingly they’ve made a complete mess of it. Tory Death Cult enthusiasts are not really in a strong position to lecture others about planning for worst case scenarios after BoJo the Clown has so fatally let us down with the pandemic. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 15:30:31 GMT
via mobile
Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 12, 2021 15:30:31 GMT
Prepare for the worst case scenario, like most of the other businesses did... not wait until last minute looking for someone to blame... I think it was the Tory Government who waited until the very last minute to formulate the new arrangements, business leaders had been asking about the protocols for months. Considering they had four years to conclude the ‘easiest negotiation in the world’ (their description), unsurprisingly they’ve made a complete mess of it. Tory Death Cult enthusiasts are not really in a strong position to lecture others about planning for worst case scenarios after BoJo the Clown has so fatally let us down with the pandemic. Expert on import and export documentation now are you Ian? |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 15:40:13 GMT
via mobile
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 12, 2021 15:40:13 GMT
I think it was the Tory Government who waited until the very last minute to formulate the new arrangements, business leaders had been asking about the protocols for months. Considering they had four years to conclude the ‘easiest negotiation in the world’ (their description), unsurprisingly they’ve made a complete mess of it. Tory Death Cult enthusiasts are not really in a strong position to lecture others about planning for worst case scenarios after BoJo the Clown has so fatally let us down with the pandemic. Expert on import and export documentation now are you Ian? Not really, but I sit on the NW Regional Emergency Planning / Resiliance Forum and we currently have a lot of dealings with HMRC and the Inland Border Facility at Warrington. Whilst much of what is discussed is covered by OSA I can tell you that the promised Government App to allow hauliers to fill out paperwork and book their trucks in at the IBF has still not gone live, 2 weeks post-Brexshit, causing unnecessary difficulties for businesses. |
|
|
|
Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 12, 2021 15:46:19 GMT
I'm not savvy with import/export so might be a stupid question - were businesses aware of exactly what paperwork would be required if we didn't have a deal in place and what would be required if we did? If so then, fair enough, you probably should have had both sets in hand then thrown away the set you didn't need. You'd have to eat the cost of course, but I suppose you'd do it if it was essential to keep you trading. If not I can see how it would be difficult for some businesses at short notice. Depends on the goods being shipped. I deal with medicines which are heavily regulated. And the terms we have with our NI customers mean they sort the customs declarations out. But even so, good preparation and last minute agility was done before the deadline where I work. I doubt foodstuffs are bound by the same level of regulation so I have no sympathy Cheers. It seems that business would probably have had a broad-ish idea of what would be needed with some details to be finalised when the deal was announced. I can see both sides I guess - smaller businesses or those that have traded exclusively within the EU might have struggled with new regulations. It's not my area though so I wouldn't want to come down too hard on one side or the other. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 17:13:06 GMT
Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 12, 2021 17:13:06 GMT
How about furlough payments loans and grants to companies. Mortgage breaks. Feeding children during school holidays. Eat out to help out (you all used it) Suppose now is as good a time as any to go back and pick up on this point after today’s upsetting revelations of more Tory money laundering. Harrowing, horrifying, angering. |
|
|
|
Post by lincolnexile on Jan 12, 2021 18:04:08 GMT
How about furlough payments loans and grants to companies. Mortgage breaks. Feeding children during school holidays. Eat out to help out (you all used it) Suppose now is as good a time as any to go back and pick up on this point after today’s upsetting revelations of more Tory money laundering. Harrowing, horrifying, angering. Sorry you’re going to have to explain the Tory money laundering comment. |
|
|
|
BREXIT
Jan 12, 2021 18:12:16 GMT
Post by Ian H Block on Jan 12, 2021 18:12:16 GMT
Suppose now is as good a time as any to go back and pick up on this point after today’s upsetting revelations of more Tory money laundering. Harrowing, horrifying, angering. Sorry you’re going to have to explain the Tory money laundering comment. Google is your friend link |
|
