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Dec 10, 2018 17:06:40 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 10, 2018 17:06:40 GMT
Arch twat Ian Duncan Smith threatening civil disobedience if Brexit is thwarted. What are they going to use for the blockades zimmer frames and mobility scooters? The pro brexit Yaxley Lennon rally had a couple of thousand, whilst the Anti Fascist rally had 15000. Says it all really. You’re an insulting twat linking people who voted leave with that git Tommy Robinson. Mind you that’s been the typical binary attitude of people like you all the way through this issue. Anyone who disagrees with the wonderful you with your brilliant insights must be a racist. unfortunately, Yaxley Lennon and his band of knuckle dragging Racists are the logical conclusion of a Brexit vote like it or not? |
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Dec 10, 2018 17:43:20 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Dec 10, 2018 17:43:20 GMT
Theresa May really is a car crash. The Tories need to keep her as long as possible.
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Dec 11, 2018 9:58:40 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Dec 11, 2018 9:58:40 GMT
Now it's been unveiled that the Tories' Foreign Office are funding a "thinktank" to the tune of £2million of OUR money to smear Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Party and its members. These bastards never learn do they? Ironically the operation is called the "Integrity Initiative". They should be sued. When the next election comes, the Tory campaign is going to be the most negative piece of shit you’ve ever seen, even by their standards. They know perfectly well that all they can offer is “it’s Corbyn or us” so their sole tactic will be to play on people’s insecurities about Corbyn. If it works and they stay in power, we really will deserve everything we get. |
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Post by jb on Dec 11, 2018 10:32:47 GMT
Now it's been unveiled that the Tories' Foreign Office are funding a "thinktank" to the tune of £2million of OUR money to smear Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Party and its members. These bastards never learn do they? Ironically the operation is called the "Integrity Initiative". They should be sued. When the next election comes, the Tory campaign is going to be the most negative piece of shit you’ve ever seen, even by their standards. They know perfectly well that all they can offer is “it’s Corbyn or us” so their sole tactic will be to play on people’s insecurities about Corbyn. If it works and they stay in power, we really will deserve everything we get. Maybe Labour should get rid of Corbyn and replace him with a leader who working people can relate to? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 11:20:35 GMT
When the next election comes, the Tory campaign is going to be the most negative piece of shit you’ve ever seen, even by their standards. They know perfectly well that all they can offer is “it’s Corbyn or us” so their sole tactic will be to play on people’s insecurities about Corbyn. If it works and they stay in power, we really will deserve everything we get. Maybe Labour should get rid of Corbyn and replace him with a leader who working people can relate to? Are you trying to say the privileged, privately educated, vegetarian career politician from metropolitan North London isn't one of us ?
If Labour want to represent the working class, perhaps they should start recruiting one as a leader ?
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Dec 11, 2018 11:20:51 GMT
Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 11, 2018 11:20:51 GMT
When the next election comes, the Tory campaign is going to be the most negative piece of shit you’ve ever seen, even by their standards. They know perfectly well that all they can offer is “it’s Corbyn or us” so their sole tactic will be to play on people’s insecurities about Corbyn. If it works and they stay in power, we really will deserve everything we get. Maybe Labour should get rid of Corbyn and replace him with a leader who working people can relate to? Like who, exactly? |
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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 11, 2018 11:46:26 GMT
Maybe Labour should get rid of Corbyn and replace him with a leader who working people can relate to? Are you trying to say the privileged, privately educated, vegetarian career politician from metropolitan North London isn't one of us ?
If Labour want to represent the working class, perhaps they should start recruiting one as a leader ?
Just a tiny bit my patronising to suggest that working class people can only relate to their own kind. As a fully paid up member of the proletariat I will support any individual with the right politics, regardless of class or education. |
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Dec 11, 2018 12:19:00 GMT
Post by Lobster on Dec 11, 2018 12:19:00 GMT
Maybe Labour should get rid of Corbyn and replace him with a leader who working people can relate to? Are you trying to say the privileged, privately educated, vegetarian career politician from metropolitan North London isn't one of us ?
If Labour want to represent the working class, perhaps they should start recruiting one as a leader ?
You're talking as though the last election didn't happen.
Even Labour MPs like Angela Eagle who were fiercely against Corbyn have no accepted that he's united voters in a way Labour hasn't managed in decades.
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Dec 11, 2018 12:27:13 GMT
Post by Al on Dec 11, 2018 12:27:13 GMT
Maybe Labour should get rid of Corbyn and replace him with a leader who working people can relate to? Like who, exactly? I'll be shocked if you get a specific answer back.
Just like all critics bemoaning his leadership of the party, they can't offer an alternative.
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Dec 11, 2018 12:28:54 GMT
Post by Al on Dec 11, 2018 12:28:54 GMT
Maybe Labour should get rid of Corbyn and replace him with a leader who working people can relate to? Are you trying to say the privileged, privately educated, vegetarian career politician from metropolitan North London isn't one of us ?
If Labour want to represent the working class, perhaps they should start recruiting one as a leader ?
Any names to suggest there? Or just another throwaway comment? |
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Dec 11, 2018 13:34:09 GMT
Post by jb on Dec 11, 2018 13:34:09 GMT
Maybe Labour should get rid of Corbyn and replace him with a leader who working people can relate to? Like who, exactly? A mistake was made when not electing Andy Burnham. One of the few politicians who comes across with dignity and candour. Apparently he had to tell Corbyn to stay away after the Manchester Evening News bombings as he was going to use that as a political football and go on the steps of the Arena and give a speech. |
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Dec 11, 2018 16:21:41 GMT
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Post by Hannibal on Dec 11, 2018 16:21:41 GMT
Agree about Andy Burnham. He's everything that Corbyn isn't.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 11, 2018 16:49:47 GMT
Actually, the entire labout movement owes a debt of gratitude to Corbyn. Not only has he re built the Labour Party into a mass socialist party, he has provided a critique of failed neo liberalism and austerity. ( that Burham and co were happy to tag along with) . Also, at the General election he fatally wounded the hapless May and possibly Brexit with it.
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Dec 11, 2018 17:00:14 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Dec 11, 2018 17:00:14 GMT
She can’t even get out of a car without a cock-up!
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Dec 11, 2018 17:08:54 GMT
Post by Derry Blue on Dec 11, 2018 17:08:54 GMT
She can’t even get out of a car without a cock-up! What a sad bugger you are. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 11, 2018 17:19:32 GMT
Andy Burnham stood to be leader of the Labour Party twice. And lost twice. Resoundingly, both times. He lost precisely because he was everything Corbyn isn't. Just imagine being the sort of person who describes Jeremy Corbyn as a 'career politician' and then a few sentences later says that Andy Burnham should be leader of the party. Ignorance or stupidity, I'm not sure which.
I really don't understand why people find it so hard to believe that a socialist party should be led by an actual socialist. Unsure why people who supposedly class themselves as Labour can't comprehend this - it's probably a pretty good hint that you are in the wrong party. If your idea of opposition is the 'cut a little bit less than the Tories, privatise a little less frequently than the Tories, don't cut welfare quite as much as the Tories, hate immigrants just a little bit less than the Tories, start wars abroad just as often as the Tories and support and sell weapons to criminals like Netanyahu and Bin Salman because money talks', then just join the Liberal Democrats already and let the rest of us get on with opposing this heinous government.
There is a reason that the sort of vapid, fiddle whilst Rome burns, status quo centrism proposed by the likes of Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper is being wiped out in the polls across Europe. It provides no answers to the problems and gross inequalities in our society. Just look at what is happening in France where the presidency of that despicable little elitist cretin Macron is being ripped down around him. And you want someone like that in charge of the Labour Party? Behave.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 17:26:56 GMT
"Just imagine being the sort of person who describes Jeremy Corbyn as a 'career politician' and then a few sentences later says that Andy Burnham should be leader of the party. Ignorance or stupidity, I'm not sure which." Did I say that, or did you just make it up ? Ignorance or stupidity, or perhaps you cant read ? |
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Dec 11, 2018 17:56:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 17:56:12 GMT
Oh dear, internet hardman alert.
Just for clarity princess the person (me) who stated JC was a career politician was a different person to the one who mentioned Andy Burnham would be a good option. No one went on to say, one thing and then another.
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Dec 11, 2018 18:20:15 GMT
Post by Lobster on Dec 11, 2018 18:20:15 GMT
She can’t even get out of a car without a cock-up! What a sad bugger you are. And you clearly live a full life, with your ‘I know you are but what am I?’ responses all the way through this thread that don’t put forward any arguments of your own. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Dec 11, 2018 18:42:17 GMT
How is a bloody stuck car door an argument for anything?
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Dec 11, 2018 18:59:27 GMT
Post by Lobster on Dec 11, 2018 18:59:27 GMT
It’s not, it’s a bit of humour - something I think you need to maintain in this dire situation.
It’s also quite a fitting metaphor for a pretty hapless women.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Dec 12, 2018 7:59:03 GMT
Corbyn has played a blinder here. Ignored calls from Sturgeon, Cable and neoliberals like them to call a vote of no confidence to, instead, have the pleasure of watching the Tories implode on themselves today.
What an absolute boy.
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Dec 12, 2018 8:28:13 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Dec 12, 2018 8:28:13 GMT
In days like these I’m just glad we can still enjoy the ‘strong and stable leadership, in the national interest’ only the Conservative Party can offer.
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Dec 12, 2018 11:19:13 GMT
Post by Hannibal on Dec 12, 2018 11:19:13 GMT
Andy Burnham stood to be leader of the Momentum Party twice. And lost twice. Resoundingly, both times. He lost precisely because he was everything Corbyn isn't. Just imagine being the sort of person who describes Jeremy Corbyn as a 'career politician' and then a few sentences later says that Andy Burnham should be leader of the party. Ignorance or stupidity, I'm not sure which. I really don't understand why people find it so hard to believe that a socialist party should be led by an actual socialist. Unsure why people who supposedly class themselves as Labour can't comprehend this - it's probably a pretty good hint that you are in the wrong party. If your idea of opposition is the 'cut a little bit less than the Tories, privatise a little less frequently than the Tories, don't cut welfare quite as much as the Tories, hate immigrants just a little bit less than the Tories, start wars abroad just as often as the Tories and support and sell weapons to criminals like Netanyahu and Bin Salman because money talks', then just join the Liberal Democrats already and let the rest of us get on with opposing this heinous government. There is a reason that the sort of vapid, fiddle whilst Rome burns, status quo centrism proposed by the likes of Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper is being wiped out in the polls across Europe. It provides no answers to the problems and gross inequalities in our society. Just look at what is happening in France where the presidency of that despicable little elitist cretin Macron is being ripped down around him. And you want someone like that in charge of the Labour Party? Behave. There I've corrected that for you. |
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Dec 12, 2018 11:28:56 GMT
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Post by 1paulcarden on Dec 12, 2018 11:28:56 GMT
Andy Burnham stood to be leader of the Labour Party twice. And lost twice. Resoundingly, both times. He lost precisely because he was everything Corbyn isn't. Just imagine being the sort of person who describes Jeremy Corbyn as a 'career politician' and then a few sentences later says that Andy Burnham should be leader of the party. Ignorance or stupidity, I'm not sure which. I really don't understand why people find it so hard to believe that a socialist party should be led by an actual socialist. Unsure why people who supposedly class themselves as Labour can't comprehend this - it's probably a pretty good hint that you are in the wrong party. If your idea of opposition is the 'cut a little bit less than the Tories, privatise a little less frequently than the Tories, don't cut welfare quite as much as the Tories, hate immigrants just a little bit less than the Tories, start wars abroad just as often as the Tories and support and sell weapons to criminals like Netanyahu and Bin Salman because money talks', then just join the Liberal Democrats already and let the rest of us get on with opposing this heinous government. There is a reason that the sort of vapid, fiddle whilst Rome burns, status quo centrism proposed by the likes of Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper is being wiped out in the polls across Europe. It provides no answers to the problems and gross inequalities in our society. Just look at what is happening in France where the presidency of that despicable little elitist cretin Macron is being ripped down around him. And you want someone like that in charge of the Labour Party? Behave. Someone who isn’t 5 points behind in the polls to the worst government in living memory? Someone who might actually win an election you mean? Yes. That’s exactly what I would want. You seem to hate those left of centre more than the far right (I suppose far right and far left do overlap at times). Keep on with the Seamus Milne line of thinking and when we end up like East Germany please pat yourself on the back. |
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Dec 12, 2018 12:12:50 GMT
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Post by rjshbdhmtrm on Dec 12, 2018 12:12:50 GMT
Just out of interest, latest bookmakers odds on the next Labour leader:
Emile Thornberry 6/1
Angela Rayner 10/1
Keir Starmer 12/1
John McDowell 16/1
Rebecca Long-Bailey 16/1
Clive Lewis 20/1
Yvette Cooper 25/1
Chuka Umunna 25/1
Lisa Nandy 25/1
. . . anyone fancy a flutter?
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Dec 12, 2018 12:18:31 GMT
Post by jb on Dec 12, 2018 12:18:31 GMT
Andy Burnham stood to be leader of the Labour Party twice. And lost twice. Resoundingly, both times. He lost precisely because he was everything Corbyn isn't. Just imagine being the sort of person who describes Jeremy Corbyn as a 'career politician' and then a few sentences later says that Andy Burnham should be leader of the party. Ignorance or stupidity, I'm not sure which. I really don't understand why people find it so hard to believe that a socialist party should be led by an actual socialist. Unsure why people who supposedly class themselves as Labour can't comprehend this - it's probably a pretty good hint that you are in the wrong party. If your idea of opposition is the 'cut a little bit less than the Tories, privatise a little less frequently than the Tories, don't cut welfare quite as much as the Tories, hate immigrants just a little bit less than the Tories, start wars abroad just as often as the Tories and support and sell weapons to criminals like Netanyahu and Bin Salman because money talks', then just join the Liberal Democrats already and let the rest of us get on with opposing this heinous government. There is a reason that the sort of vapid, fiddle whilst Rome burns, status quo centrism proposed by the likes of Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper is being wiped out in the polls across Europe. It provides no answers to the problems and gross inequalities in our society. Just look at what is happening in France where the presidency of that despicable little elitist cretin Macron is being ripped down around him. And you want someone like that in charge of the Labour Party? Behave. Someone who isn’t 5 points behind in the polls to the worst government in living memory? Someone who might actually win an election you mean? Yes. That’s exactly what I would want. You seem to hate those left of centre more than the far right (I suppose far right and far left do overlap at times). Keep on with the Seamus Milne line of thinking and when we end up like East Germany please pat yourself on the back. Absolutely spot on. Never a true word spoken. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 12, 2018 12:51:18 GMT
Andy Burnham stood to be leader of the Labour Party twice. And lost twice. Resoundingly, both times. He lost precisely because he was everything Corbyn isn't. Just imagine being the sort of person who describes Jeremy Corbyn as a 'career politician' and then a few sentences later says that Andy Burnham should be leader of the party. Ignorance or stupidity, I'm not sure which. I really don't understand why people find it so hard to believe that a socialist party should be led by an actual socialist. Unsure why people who supposedly class themselves as Labour can't comprehend this - it's probably a pretty good hint that you are in the wrong party. If your idea of opposition is the 'cut a little bit less than the Tories, privatise a little less frequently than the Tories, don't cut welfare quite as much as the Tories, hate immigrants just a little bit less than the Tories, start wars abroad just as often as the Tories and support and sell weapons to criminals like Netanyahu and Bin Salman because money talks', then just join the Liberal Democrats already and let the rest of us get on with opposing this heinous government. There is a reason that the sort of vapid, fiddle whilst Rome burns, status quo centrism proposed by the likes of Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper is being wiped out in the polls across Europe. It provides no answers to the problems and gross inequalities in our society. Just look at what is happening in France where the presidency of that despicable little elitist cretin Macron is being ripped down around him. And you want someone like that in charge of the Labour Party? Behave. Someone who isn’t 5 points behind in the polls to the worst government in living memory? Someone who might actually win an election you mean? Yes. That’s exactly what I would want. You seem to hate those left of centre more than the far right (I suppose far right and far left do overlap at times). Keep on with the Seamus Milne line of thinking and when we end up like East Germany please pat yourself on the back. Are you actually suggesting that if somebody like Yvette Cooper or Chuka Umunna was leader of the Labour Party they would be ahead in the polls?  Bless. Labour were 23 points behind the Tories heading into the last general election and yet received their largest share of the vote for decades. Unsurprisingly, when purdah kicked in and the right-wing press actually had to give Labour a fair hearing, our poll ratings climbed 15 points. It also coincided with the **** you'd like leading the party having to actually go out and campaign to save their own jobs rather than spending their every breathing hour whoring themselves out to whichever TV studio would give them the airtime to launch ridiculous smears against their own members. I do indeed fiercely dislike what you describe as 'left of centre' which in reality means supporters of status quo neoliberal policies that create and perpetuate gross inequalities in our society. It's funny really that you mention the notion that the far left and far right overlap at times without even a hint of irony. Whilst the sort of politicians you'd like in charge of the Labour Party were attacking immigrants, supporting mandatory I.D cards and pandering to the BNP in places like Barking (oh hello again Margaret Hodge), the 'far left' were out on the streets opposing fascism and fighting fascists, like they always have. The left in the UK has always been the first on the streets to oppose fascism, whilst 'social democrats' like Blair and Clinton think the best way to oppose them is to imitate some of their policies. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 12, 2018 12:53:25 GMT
Andy Burnham stood to be leader of the Momentum Party twice. And lost twice. Resoundingly, both times. He lost precisely because he was everything Corbyn isn't. Just imagine being the sort of person who describes Jeremy Corbyn as a 'career politician' and then a few sentences later says that Andy Burnham should be leader of the party. Ignorance or stupidity, I'm not sure which. I really don't understand why people find it so hard to believe that a socialist party should be led by an actual socialist. Unsure why people who supposedly class themselves as Labour can't comprehend this - it's probably a pretty good hint that you are in the wrong party. If your idea of opposition is the 'cut a little bit less than the Tories, privatise a little less frequently than the Tories, don't cut welfare quite as much as the Tories, hate immigrants just a little bit less than the Tories, start wars abroad just as often as the Tories and support and sell weapons to criminals like Netanyahu and Bin Salman because money talks', then just join the Liberal Democrats already and let the rest of us get on with opposing this heinous government. There is a reason that the sort of vapid, fiddle whilst Rome burns, status quo centrism proposed by the likes of Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper is being wiped out in the polls across Europe. It provides no answers to the problems and gross inequalities in our society. Just look at what is happening in France where the presidency of that despicable little elitist cretin Macron is being ripped down around him. And you want someone like that in charge of the Labour Party? Behave. There I've corrected that for you. Just for your information, Burnham stood to be leader in 2010 and 2015. Momentum was formed after both of these elections. So no, you haven't corrected anything for me. |
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