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Jan 30, 2021 13:11:36 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 30, 2021 13:11:36 GMT
No Just stopped UK citizens enjoying the rights and previlages that other Europeans poccess Except for his own sons, who have German passports. Do you have a problem with that How do you not? The big champions of Brexit have all ensured they don’t lose out, be it Dyson moving to China, Farage/Johnson Snr getting European passports etc. One rule for them, the rest for us. If that doesn’t anger you then you aren’t paying attention. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2021 13:29:05 GMT
Getting angry does nothing except effect your own well being. Much better to just disagree.
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Jan 30, 2021 13:31:42 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 30, 2021 13:31:42 GMT
Do you have a problem with that How do you not? The big champions of Brexit have all ensured they don’t lose out, be it Dyson moving to China, Farage/Johnson Snr getting European passports etc. One rule for them, the rest for us. If that doesn’t anger you then you aren’t paying attention. I assume then you will condemn Midfield General for applying for an Irish passport and Dyson moved to China to avoid Brexit in 2002 thats some forsight |
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Jan 30, 2021 13:46:30 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 30, 2021 13:46:30 GMT
How do you not? The big champions of Brexit have all ensured they don’t lose out, be it Dyson moving to China, Farage/Johnson Snr getting European passports etc. One rule for them, the rest for us. If that doesn’t anger you then you aren’t paying attention. I assume then you will condemn Midfield General for applying for an Irish passport and Dyson moved to China to avoid Brexit in 2002 thats some forsight I am entitled to apply for one. Due to my Grandparents being Irish. And in the present climate it looks like an Irish passport trumps a British one and I have never claimed to be the biggest cheerleader of English Nationalism, unlike Farage. Looks like he is seeking previledge for his kids that He is denying others. |
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Jan 30, 2021 13:52:25 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 30, 2021 13:52:25 GMT
I assume then you will condemn Midfield General for applying for an Irish passport and Dyson moved to China to avoid Brexit in 2002 thats some forsight I am entitled to apply for one. Due to my Grandparents being Irish. And in the present climate it looks lile an Irish passport trumps a British one. Which is absolutley fine but you seemed to complain about others doing the same thing and FOP doesn't agree with others doing it so I just aked if he was condemming you for doing it |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 30, 2021 14:02:16 GMT
I am entitled to apply for one. Due to my Grandparents being Irish. And in the present climate it looks lile an Irish passport trumps a British one. Which is absolutley fine but you seemed to complain about others doing the same thing and FOP doesn't agree with others doing it so I just aked if he was condemming you for doing it There is zero hypocricy in my stance, as I always thought Brexit was going to be a shitshow. What I have got a problem with is the likes of Nigel Lawson et al.singing the benefits of Brexit, whilst rushing to get French citizenship. ,surely, if he thought it was such a good idea he should be back here supporting it, instead of sunning himself in Provence |
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Jan 30, 2021 14:08:36 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 30, 2021 14:08:36 GMT
Which is absolutley fine but you seemed to complain about others doing the same thing and FOP doesn't agree with others doing it so I just aked if he was condemming you for doing it There is zero hypocricy in my stance, as I always thought Brexit was going to be a shitshow. What I have got a problem with is the likes of Nigel Lawson et al.singing the benefits of Brexit, whilst rushing to get French citizenship. ,surely, if he thought it was such a good idea he should be back here supporting it, instead of sunning himself in Provence I am not saying you are being a hypocrit but you cannot condemn anyone who is doing the same as yourself i.e. ensuring the best of both worlds. Provence is a beautiful place to live and if I could afford it I would have property there myself nothing to do with Brexit but because of its beauty and climate |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 30, 2021 14:22:02 GMT
There is zero hypocricy in my stance, as I always thought Brexit was going to be a shitshow. What I have got a problem with is the likes of Nigel Lawson et al.singing the benefits of Brexit, whilst rushing to get French citizenship. ,surely, if he thought it was such a good idea he should be back here supporting it, instead of sunning himself in Provence I am not saying you are being a hypocrit but you cannot condemn anyone who is doing the same as yourself i.e. ensuring the best of both worlds. Provence is a beautiful place to live and if I could afford it I would have property there myself nothing to do with Brexit but because of its beauty and climate Doesnt ot tell you somethiing when the leading cheerleaders of Brexit are so keen to avoid its implecations? It tells me that they also think it a shitshow, but unfortunately it is the glue that keeps the Con Party together. |
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Jan 30, 2021 14:34:41 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 30, 2021 14:34:41 GMT
I am not saying you are being a hypocrit but you cannot condemn anyone who is doing the same as yourself i.e. ensuring the best of both worlds. Provence is a beautiful place to live and if I could afford it I would have property there myself nothing to do with Brexit but because of its beauty and climate Doesnt ot tell you somethiing when the leading cheerleaders of Brexit are so keen to avoid its implecations? It tells me that they also think it a shitshow, but unfortunately it is the glue that keeps the Con Party together. It just confirms to me what I have known for a long time that Politicians of all denominations are only in it for what they can get out of it |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 30, 2021 14:38:47 GMT
How do you not? The big champions of Brexit have all ensured they don’t lose out, be it Dyson moving to China, Farage/Johnson Snr getting European passports etc. One rule for them, the rest for us. If that doesn’t anger you then you aren’t paying attention. I assume then you will condemn Midfield General for applying for an Irish passport and Dyson moved to China to avoid Brexit in 2002 thats some forsight Well no, he clearly didn’t champion Brexit whilst trying to retain the benefits of EU membership for himself on the sly. You obviously missed my point about the hypocrisy of it all. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 30, 2021 15:28:30 GMT
Given that the only industry we seem to be able to be able to talk about is fish and that's actually dominated by Scotland, I'm not so sure about that. I think Scotland would do fine on its own. I remember you previously describing the UK leaving the EU as regressive. Do you think Scotland leaving the UK would also therefore be regressive? Or would that be different? Not having a pop or anything mate, genuine question. I meant to reply to this.
Ideally, I think it would be better for Scotland to remain in the UK, but the reality of the situation is that they're at odds with Westminster on just about everything and want closer ties to the EU. I don't necessarily think countries wanting independence and autonomy is a bad thing - in fact smaller countries often have the best standards of living and larger ones seem to have massive polarisation. Perhaps we do need more independent nations?
But it needs better co-operation between those nations, and for countries to be outward-looking instead of insular. Brexit is not inherently regressive, it's just the way we've done it is. I don't get the same vibes and motives for Scottish independence as I do for Brexit. They want independence because they feel they're being ignored, whereas most (not all, but I do think most) Brits voted Brexit because of immigration and fairly trite stories about "bureaucracy" churned out by the Daily Mail and The Sun. Scottish independence seems more like a left-wing "underdog" thing, whereas Brexit to me appears rooted in colonialism and the idea that we won two wars on our own and are "better" than Europe.
What might actually work better than Scottish and Welsh independence etc, is an independent England followed by a Union of Celtic nations (Scotland, Wales and Ireland), although some parts of England like Cornwall and Liverpool probably identify more as Celtic than English.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 30, 2021 15:41:08 GMT
Given that the only industry we seem to be able to be able to talk about is fish and that's actually dominated by Scotland, I'm not so sure about that. I think Scotland would do fine on its own. Obviously the majority of Scots thought they wouldn’t do that well otherwise they’d have voted for independence when they had the chance surely? Well, there are a variety of reasons why they may not have voted for it then, but yes, they clearly didn't want independence in 2014. A lot has happened in the 6-7 years since though, and I think we're kidding ourselves if we think they wouldn't vote for it now.
The 2014 referendum was terrible timing for them really. We were still crawling out of recession, the 2015 General Election was not expected to be Tory landslide, and Brexit would just have sounded like a horrible breakfast cereal. It was a boring, apathetic period of doldrums, not like the madness of today.
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Jan 30, 2021 15:52:51 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 30, 2021 15:52:51 GMT
Obviously the majority of Scots thought they wouldn’t do that well otherwise they’d have voted for independence when they had the chance surely? Well, there are a variety of reasons why they may not have voted for it then, but yes, they clearly didn't want independence in 2014. A lot has happened in the 6-7 years since though, and I think we're kidding ourselves if we think they wouldn't vote for it now.
The 2014 referendum was terrible timing for them really. We were still crawling out of recession, the 2015 General Election was not expected to be Tory landslide, and Brexit would just have sounded like a horrible breakfast cereal. It was a boring, apathetic period of doldrums, not like the madness of today.
Okay I accept that there’s a good chance they might vote for independence but is now really the right time, you say that that 2014 was a bad time for a referendum with us crawling out of a recession well is 2021 any better when you consider that we’re still in the heart of the pandemic. Surely the best thing to do would be to wait for another year or so to see how everything pans out regarding COVID and Brexit. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 31, 2021 13:26:48 GMT
Liz Truss on the Andrew Marr Show: “we have always been clear” that Brexit would ruin large numbers of U.K. businesses.
Meanwhile the Observer have reported that up to January 1st 500+ U.K.-based/owned businesses had made enquiries about setting up in the Netherlands alone - the number has accelerated since then. A loss of jobs and tax revenue here.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 31, 2021 14:04:04 GMT
Liz Truss on the Andrew Marr Show: “we have always been clear” that Brexit would ruin large numbers of U.K. businesses. Meanwhile the Observer have reported that up to January 1st 500+ U.K.-based/owned businesses had made enquiries about setting up in the Netherlands alone - the number has accelerated since then. A loss of jobs and tax revenue here. I didnt see that on the side of the bus. However, what a boost for the EU.Everyone knows that Brexit is a shitshow and would knacker up British business. |
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Jan 31, 2021 19:09:41 GMT
Post by blaconboy on Jan 31, 2021 19:09:41 GMT
Liz Truss on the Andrew Marr Show: “we have always been clear” that Brexit would ruin large numbers of U.K. businesses. Meanwhile the Observer have reported that up to January 1st 500+ U.K.-based/owned businesses had made enquiries about setting up in the Netherlands alone - the number has accelerated since then. A loss of jobs and tax revenue here. 1400 EU companies had made enquiries about setting up in the UK pre Christmas. |
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Jan 31, 2021 22:54:35 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 31, 2021 22:54:35 GMT
Sources please and the Daily Fail doesnt count
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jan 31, 2021 23:01:07 GMT
Liz Truss on the Andrew Marr Show: “we have always been clear” that Brexit would ruin large numbers of U.K. businesses. Meanwhile the Observer have reported that up to January 1st 500+ U.K.-based/owned businesses had made enquiries about setting up in the Netherlands alone - the number has accelerated since then. A loss of jobs and tax revenue here. 1400 EU companies had made enquiries about setting up in the UK pre Christmas. Actually, that is not new investment, but existing business, especially in finance ( Given the loss of passporting rights for financial services) maintaining their existing zUK base Thought I hadnt heard it anywhere. If the Brexiteers had managed to get 5 companies to invest in the UK , it would be all over the MSM |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 31, 2021 23:18:03 GMT
The difference between the two figures from what I can gather:
500 is the number of UK firms thinking of partially or entirely relocating to just one fairly small EU nation (the Netherlands) specifically for “Brexit-related reasons”.
1,400 is the number of firms from the entire EU, most of them established financial firms, applying for permission to operate in the UK, and around 400 of them are already here. And there's nothing to suggest this is because of because of Brexit rather than in spite of it. They would probably have done that anyway.
The figures are not comparable.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 1, 2021 12:05:43 GMT
Getting angry does nothing except effect your own well being. Much better to just disagree. Good job we didn't take that attitude with the Nazis then... |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 2, 2021 8:34:53 GMT
Getting angry does nothing except effect your own well being. Much better to just disagree. Good job we didn't take that attitude with the Nazis then... If you find yourself getting wound up by things like personalised numberplates and other people's haircuts, then yes, you need to chill out a bit, but anger at injustice and corruption is an important emotion. |
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Feb 5, 2021 10:43:41 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Feb 5, 2021 10:43:41 GMT
More good news
The owner of Cadbury is to bring more of its Dairy Milk production back to its historic Bournville factory.
Mondelez International, which split from Kraft two years after the US food firm bought Cadbury in 2010, has said it will move some chocolate production which currently takes place in continental Europe to Bournville.
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Feb 5, 2021 10:51:40 GMT
Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 5, 2021 10:51:40 GMT
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Feb 5, 2021 11:01:35 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Feb 5, 2021 11:01:35 GMT
I'm so sorry I only saw it today do accept my apologies for raking up the past |
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Feb 5, 2021 11:19:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 11:19:47 GMT
Good job we didn't take that attitude with the Nazis then... If you find yourself getting wound up by things like personalised numberplates and other people's haircuts, then yes, you need to chill out a bit, but anger at injustice and corruption is an important emotion. I don't get wound up over any thing probably due to my upbringing. Never allowed to use the word hate always told it is far better to say don't like, much nicer and a lot less aggressive. |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 5, 2021 11:24:46 GMT
I'm finding that a lot of the "positive news" Brexit apologists are bringing up is largely irrelevant news. Nissan staying in Sunderland for example - that's not because of Brexit. Them staying there depended on us getting a deal, so it's only because there was a threat of no deal that Nissan leaving was in any question. If your house it hit by a hurricane and stays in one piece, you wouldn't say that's because of the hurricane, it's in spite of it. If there had been no hurricane at all, the result would be the same.
Positive Brexit should be something where we're better off for being out. Boris Johnson and certain others have told us lots of things will, so I'm surprised those who believed him and voted for it would be so easily satisfied.
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Feb 5, 2021 11:33:32 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Feb 5, 2021 11:33:32 GMT
I'm finding that a lot of the "positive news" Brexit apologists are bringing up is largely irrelevant news. Nissan staying in Sunderland for example - that's not because of Brexit. Them staying there depended on us getting a deal, so it's only because there was a threat of no deal that Nissan leaving was in any question. If your house it hit by a hurricane and stays in one piece, you wouldn't say that's because of the hurricane, it's in spite of it. If there had been no hurricane at all, the result would be the same. Positive Brexit should be something where we're better off for being out. Boris Johnson and certain others have told us lots of things will, so I'm surprised those who believed him and voted for it would be so easily satisfied. Probably because positivity breeds positivity whilst negativity breeds negativity. People need to have positivity especially with all the crap the world is going through at the moment, I'd rather have a positive outlook than always looking for the negative. Always look on the bright side of life instead of being miserable doom and gloom merchants all the time thats my philosophy anyway, I've learnt to be like that through being a Chester fan for nigh on 60 years |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 5, 2021 11:41:57 GMT
I'm finding that a lot of the "positive news" Brexit apologists are bringing up is largely irrelevant news. Nissan staying in Sunderland for example - that's not because of Brexit. Them staying there depended on us getting a deal, so it's only because there was a threat of no deal that Nissan leaving was in any question. If your house it hit by a hurricane and stays in one piece, you wouldn't say that's because of the hurricane, it's in spite of it. If there had been no hurricane at all, the result would be the same. Positive Brexit should be something where we're better off for being out. Boris Johnson and certain others have told us lots of things will, so I'm surprised those who believed him and voted for it would be so easily satisfied. Probably because positivity breeds positivity whilst negativity breeds negativity. People need to have positivity especially with all the crap the world is going through at the moment, I'd rather have a positive outlook than always looking for the negative. Always look on the bright side of life instead of being miserable doom and gloom merchants all the time thats my philosophy anyway, I've learnt to be like that through being a Chester fan for nigh on 60 years You have totally missed Lobster’s point with your vague “let’s feel positive” response. Lobster is quite right - we were told Brexit would make things better, but companies staying in the U.K. isn’t “better” - it’s the same. I am still yet to see one point of Brexit that has or will improve the lives of Average Joe Bloggs. |
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Feb 5, 2021 11:50:12 GMT
Post by Wortleyblue on Feb 5, 2021 11:50:12 GMT
Probably because positivity breeds positivity whilst negativity breeds negativity. People need to have positivity especially with all the crap the world is going through at the moment, I'd rather have a positive outlook than always looking for the negative. Always look on the bright side of life instead of being miserable doom and gloom merchants all the time thats my philosophy anyway, I've learnt to be like that through being a Chester fan for nigh on 60 years You have totally missed Lobster’s point with your vague “let’s feel positive” response. Lobster is quite right - we were told Brexit would make things better, but companies staying in the U.K. isn’t “better” - it’s the same. I am still yet to see one point of Brexit that has or will improve the lives of Average Joe Bloggs. How about this little snippet then Ursula von der Leyen has compared Brexit Britain to a “speedboat” when it comes to securing coronavirus vaccines, while likening the EU to a slower ship. The European Commission president accidentally made the case for Brexit after enduring weeks of criticism after delays in supplies of the AstraZeneca vaccine to the EU She admitted that the bloc of 27 countries took longer to make decisions over contracts for Covid-19 jabs than a single country would. “Alone, a country can be a speedboat, while the EU is more like a ship,” Mrs von der Leyen said. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 5, 2021 12:00:10 GMT
Obviously that wasn’t in the Brexit manifesto in 2016. Also, I guess the highest death toll in Europe sort of balances that out somewhat, doesn’t it?
The government were told by their own experts over the past five years that every possible Brexit outcome would make the population poorer. I am yet to see them wrong.
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