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Mar 9, 2021 21:34:54 GMT
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Post by Si on Mar 9, 2021 21:34:54 GMT
Definition of racism according to Google dictionary.....
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
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Mar 9, 2021 21:44:27 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 9, 2021 21:44:27 GMT
Definition of racism according to Google dictionary..... prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. Thanks Si. So if someone hates a whole nation (England) then by default that person hates all of the people who live there. English people are a race. Anyone want to guess who is racist in this thread? |
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Mar 9, 2021 21:54:33 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 9, 2021 21:54:33 GMT
Nationality is different to race, I’d say.
As if you genuinely believe someone saying “I hate this country” is racist. Absolute madness.
Then again, you don’t believe it - you’re on a mega-WUM.
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Mar 9, 2021 22:00:23 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 9, 2021 22:00:23 GMT
Nationality is different to race, I’d say. As if you genuinely believe someone saying “I hate this country” is racist. Absolute madness. Then again, you don’t believe it - you’re on a mega-WUM. My definition as described above is the exact same as youve used when saying all Tories are racist. But then again you're on a mega WUM as well, aren't you |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 9, 2021 22:31:23 GMT
Strange isn't it Welsh Nationalism = Patriotic Scottish Nationalism = Patriotic Irish Nationalism = Patriotic Anyone English who voted to leave Europe is Racist and xenophobic Its even more galling when you add to this that 51% of the United Kingdom, yes that means Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England voted to leave the EU. But its just England that's to blame... 🙄 Its nice to be able to weed out the real racists though, those people who have been dying to display their hatred of England, can now use Brexit as their stick to beat the English with. Take Scotland and Northern Ireland off the list. They voted remain, and looks like Wales has now come over to the remain side So, the Celtic countires are pro Europe |
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Mar 9, 2021 22:36:13 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 9, 2021 22:36:13 GMT
A bit rich a Brixiteer calling someone a Racist Farage's immigration poster was like something out of Nazi Germany I was quite happy being British and European. Unfortunately, Brexit has driven a wedge through the UK and and has forced people to take sides. Given I am Anglo Irish i would chose this over being classed, as English. I dont hate England just what it has become. Yes because the people who voted remain keep trying to force another vote. You lost the vote get over it, or shall we keep having a vote until you win? Just like National League clubs who lost the vote to prolong the season and are now trying to get that vote overturned. I've yet to see a post on DC supporting that view. Wrong. If the UK breaks up. , it will be solely down to the actions of the Brixiteers. We are just responding to their stupidity |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 9, 2021 23:38:40 GMT
Its even more galling when you add to this that 51% of the United Kingdom, yes that means Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England voted to leave the EU. But its just England that's to blame... 🙄 Its nice to be able to weed out the real racists though, those people who have been dying to display their hatred of England, can now use Brexit as their stick to beat the English with. Take Scotland and Northern Ireland off the list. They voted remain, and looks like Wales has now come over to the remain side So, the Celtic countires are pro Europe. I also used to celebrate the fact that the UK was a tolerant and multi racial country, but Brexit rather ahut down that that notion. /quote] |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Mar 10, 2021 9:08:32 GMT
Yes because the people who voted remain keep trying to force another vote. You lost the vote get over it, or shall we keep having a vote until you win? Just like National League clubs who lost the vote to prolong the season and are now trying to get that vote overturned. I've yet to see a post on DC supporting that view. Wrong. If the UK breaks up. , it will be solely down to the actions of the Brixiteers. We are just responding to their stupidity So anyone who disagrees with you on this issue (and presumably all issues) are stupid? |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 10, 2021 9:20:15 GMT
Well he isn’t wrong on the point he made about Brexit leading to the breakup of the Union. Brexit will be the only reason why the union breaks up seeing as, once again, as always, it’s the people of England that make the decisions for the entire union.
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Mar 10, 2021 9:34:38 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 10, 2021 9:34:38 GMT
Well he isn’t wrong on the point he made about Brexit leading to the breakup of the Union. Brexit will be the only reason why the union breaks up seeing as, once again, as always, it’s the people of England that make the decisions for the entire union. You do realise you are asking for your own version of brexit. The UK leaving the EU is exactly the same as a Wales or Scotland wanting to leave the UK. You are no better than the stupid racist English who voted for brexit |
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Mar 10, 2021 12:26:36 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 10, 2021 12:26:36 GMT
Its even more galling when you add to this that 51% of the United Kingdom, yes that means Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England voted to leave the EU. But its just England that's to blame... 🙄 Its nice to be able to weed out the real racists though, those people who have been dying to display their hatred of England, can now use Brexit as their stick to beat the English with. Take Scotland and Northern Ireland off the list. They voted remain, and looks like Wales has now come over to the remain side So, the Celtic countires are pro Europe I won't be taking any country off the list, there are significant numbers of people in those countries that voted leave, just because they were not in the majority for regions of those countries doesn't mean they don't exist. |
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Mar 10, 2021 12:33:53 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 10, 2021 12:33:53 GMT
Take Scotland and Northern Ireland off the list. They voted remain, and looks like Wales has now come over to the remain side So, the Celtic countires are pro Europe I won't be taking any country off the list, there are significant numbers of people in those countries that voted leave, just because they were not in the majority for regions of those countries doesn't mean they don't exist. 👀 Interesting. |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 10, 2021 12:36:44 GMT
Well he isn’t wrong on the point he made about Brexit leading to the breakup of the Union. Brexit will be the only reason why the union breaks up seeing as, once again, as always, it’s the people of England that make the decisions for the entire union. You do realise you are asking for your own version of brexit. The UK leaving the EU is exactly the same as a Wales or Scotland wanting to leave the UK. You are no better than the stupid racist English who voted for brexit No it isn't. Brexit is about not wanting to be part of an ecomonic union of separate states that already have their own laws, borders etc. Scottish and Welsh independence are about wanting to be recognised as an independent nation - something the UK already was with or without Brexit. You only have to listen to Scottish independence arguments to realise they're not the same as Brexit. They've got other things to talk about apart from fruit, fish and foreigners, for a start. |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 10, 2021 12:45:06 GMT
Take Scotland and Northern Ireland off the list. They voted remain, and looks like Wales has now come over to the remain side So, the Celtic countires are pro Europe I won't be taking any country off the list, there are significant numbers of people in those countries that voted leave, just because they were not in the majority for regions of those countries doesn't mean they don't exist. Let's be honest, we're quibbling about a couple of percent either way in all parts of the UK. There's no "will of the people" as certain politician like to say. You could have done that vote a fortnight later and got a different result, and then a different one again another two weeks later. I find a lot of Brexit fans exasperating, but I don't really blame either group for what's happened. I'm more annoyed at the cynical use of Brexit to get people to vote for people they normally wouldn't, and the binary and almost tribal tone of the debate, and the government is to blame for that. If we could put more energy into scrutinising them - because let's be honest, nobody actually likes them even if they voted for them - we might actually be able to salvage something from the Brexit situation. |
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Mar 10, 2021 12:46:29 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 10, 2021 12:46:29 GMT
You do realise you are asking for your own version of brexit. The UK leaving the EU is exactly the same as a Wales or Scotland wanting to leave the UK. You are no better than the stupid racist English who voted for brexit No it isn't. Brexit is about not wanting to be part of an ecomonic union of separate states that already have their own laws, borders etc. Scottish and Welsh independence are about wanting to be recognised as an independent nation - something the UK already was with or without Brexit. You only have to listen to Scottish independence arguments to realise they're not the same as Brexit. They've got other things to talk about apart from fruit, fish and foreigners, for a start. Of course it's the same! The devolved nations want to be able to elect a PM that has the power to change their own country for the better and not be governed by Westminster. I'm watching with interest, I'm especially interested to see how much of the population will vote to leave the UK when they see the impact on their pensions and working arrangements, especially those that benefit from working in England and living in the utopias Wales and Scotland. And when Wales and Scotland realise they have to offer tax havens etc. to big businesses to setup there and boost the economies you'll all be whinging about how much you hate the ethics of it all. It's going be glorious to see you lot squirm again 🤣 |
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Mar 10, 2021 12:55:06 GMT
Post by jedthehumanoid on Mar 10, 2021 12:55:06 GMT
No it isn't. Brexit is about not wanting to be part of an ecomonic union of separate states that already have their own laws, borders etc. Scottish and Welsh independence are about wanting to be recognised as an independent nation - something the UK already was with or without Brexit. You only have to listen to Scottish independence arguments to realise they're not the same as Brexit. They've got other things to talk about apart from fruit, fish and foreigners, for a start. Of course it's the same! The devolved nations want to be able to elect a PM that has the power to change their own country for the better and not be governed by Westminster. I'm watching with interest, I'm especially interested to see how much of the population will vote to leave the UK when they see the impact on their pensions and working arrangements, especially those that benefit from working in England and living in the utopias Wales and Scotland. And when Wales and Scotland realise they have to offer tax havens etc. to big businesses to setup there and boost the economies you'll all be whinging about how much you hate the ethics of it all. It's going be glorious to see you lot squirm again 🤣 Just out of interest - do you support the way big business is seemingly allowed to influence sovereign nations in such a way? Is striving for a more equal and fair system that is not held to ransom by unethical companies not a worthwhile cause? Is a better way not possible? |
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Mar 10, 2021 12:59:51 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 10, 2021 12:59:51 GMT
Of course it's the same! The devolved nations want to be able to elect a PM that has the power to change their own country for the better and not be governed by Westminster. I'm watching with interest, I'm especially interested to see how much of the population will vote to leave the UK when they see the impact on their pensions and working arrangements, especially those that benefit from working in England and living in the utopias Wales and Scotland. And when Wales and Scotland realise they have to offer tax havens etc. to big businesses to setup there and boost the economies you'll all be whinging about how much you hate the ethics of it all. It's going be glorious to see you lot squirm again 🤣 Just out of interest - do you support the way big business is seemingly allowed to influence sovereign nations in such a way? Is striving for a more equal and fair system that is not held to ransom by unethical companies not a worthwhile cause? Is a better way not possible? There probably is, but governments aren't staffed by intelligent people who know how to negotiate with big businesses, and probably never will be. Its a nice idea though, the big businesses will always hold all the cards |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 10, 2021 13:17:41 GMT
No it isn't. Brexit is about not wanting to be part of an ecomonic union of separate states that already have their own laws, borders etc. Scottish and Welsh independence are about wanting to be recognised as an independent nation - something the UK already was with or without Brexit. You only have to listen to Scottish independence arguments to realise they're not the same as Brexit. They've got other things to talk about apart from fruit, fish and foreigners, for a start. Of course it's the same! The devolved nations want to be able to elect a PM that has the power to change their own country for the better and not be governed by Westminster. I'm watching with interest, I'm especially interested to see how much of the population will vote to leave the UK when they see the impact on their pensions and working arrangements, especially those that benefit from working in England and living in the utopias Wales and Scotland. And when Wales and Scotland realise they have to offer tax havens etc. to big businesses to setup there and boost the economies you'll all be whinging about how much you hate the ethics of it all. It's going be glorious to see you lot squirm again 🤣 Lobster is entirely correct in his summations, the two arguments are not the same at all. Please educate yourself. |
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Mar 10, 2021 13:37:21 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 10, 2021 13:37:21 GMT
Of course it's the same! The devolved nations want to be able to elect a PM that has the power to change their own country for the better and not be governed by Westminster. I'm watching with interest, I'm especially interested to see how much of the population will vote to leave the UK when they see the impact on their pensions and working arrangements, especially those that benefit from working in England and living in the utopias Wales and Scotland. And when Wales and Scotland realise they have to offer tax havens etc. to big businesses to setup there and boost the economies you'll all be whinging about how much you hate the ethics of it all. It's going be glorious to see you lot squirm again 🤣 Your understanding of Brexit versus Scottish and Welsh independence movements belies your senior position in a multinational organisation. Lobster is entirely correct in his summations, the two arguments are not the same at all. Please educate yourself. I hope you're not being personal |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 10, 2021 13:42:31 GMT
No it isn't. Brexit is about not wanting to be part of an ecomonic union of separate states that already have their own laws, borders etc. Scottish and Welsh independence are about wanting to be recognised as an independent nation - something the UK already was with or without Brexit. You only have to listen to Scottish independence arguments to realise they're not the same as Brexit. They've got other things to talk about apart from fruit, fish and foreigners, for a start. Of course it's the same! The devolved nations want to be able to elect a PM that has the power to change their own country for the better and not be governed by Westminster. How's that the same then? We already had a PM before Brexit, unless I'm mistaken! What I'd agree on is that there are progressive and regressive arguments for both. Personally, I tend to see more of the former for Scottish independence, and more of the latter for Brexit. |
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Mar 10, 2021 13:55:55 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 10, 2021 13:55:55 GMT
Of course it's the same! The devolved nations want to be able to elect a PM that has the power to change their own country for the better and not be governed by Westminster. How's that the same then? We already had a PM before Brexit, unless I'm mistaken! What I'd agree on is that there are progressive and regressive arguments for both. Personally, I tend to see more of the former for Scottish independence, and more of the latter for Brexit. Why don't you get off your deckchair, put the popcorn down and do something about the personal nature of the post from your mate Frank? |
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Mar 10, 2021 14:00:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 14:00:29 GMT
i wonder how scotland or wales would survive if the following is true
public spending per head 2020
england 3% below uk average
scotland 17% above uk average
wales 10 % above uk average
west midlands 10 % below uk average
they don't appear to be doing too badly compared to england
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Mar 10, 2021 14:02:33 GMT
Just out of interest - do you support the way big business is seemingly allowed to influence sovereign nations in such a way? Is striving for a more equal and fair system that is not held to ransom by unethical companies not a worthwhile cause? Is a better way not possible? There probably is, but governments aren't staffed by intelligent people who know how to negotiate with big businesses, and probably never will be. Its a nice idea though, the big businesses will always hold all the cards Fair enough. I get the impression that government and big business are one and the same in many cases - plenty of ex-MP's end up in cushy, non-executive positions with massive salaries. I'd be interested to see a what happens when a country really takes a revolutionary stand against businesses that act in this way, just not sure I'd want to live in that country while it's happening. |
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Mar 10, 2021 14:04:18 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 10, 2021 14:04:18 GMT
There probably is, but governments aren't staffed by intelligent people who know how to negotiate with big businesses, and probably never will be. Its a nice idea though, the big businesses will always hold all the cards Fair enough. I get the impression that government and big business are one and the same in many cases - plenty of ex-MP's end up in cushy, non-executive positions with massive salaries. I'd be interested to see a what happens when a country really takes a revolutionary stand against businesses that act in this way, just not sure I'd want to live in that country while it's happening. You don't have to worry, it'll never happen. Plenty of other countries willing to oblige |
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Mar 10, 2021 14:16:39 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 10, 2021 14:16:39 GMT
i wonder how scotland or wales would survive if the following is true public spending per head 2020 england 3% below uk average scotland 17% above uk average wales 10 % above uk average west midlands 10 % below uk average they don't appear to be doing too badly compared to england The same way any small to medium-sized nation survives. Cardiff is bigger than the capitals of Switzerland, New Zealand, Belgium, Iceland, Bolivia, Cyprus, Slovenia, Luxembourg, Costa Rica... More than 50 countries have opted out of Westminster rule - none have ever asked to return. |
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Mar 10, 2021 14:22:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 14:22:43 GMT
how do you feel about the amount spent in south wales against amount spent in the north do you feel you get good value as a northern dweller
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Post by Lobster on Mar 10, 2021 14:53:51 GMT
How's that the same then? We already had a PM before Brexit, unless I'm mistaken! What I'd agree on is that there are progressive and regressive arguments for both. Personally, I tend to see more of the former for Scottish independence, and more of the latter for Brexit. Why don't you get off your deckchair, put the popcorn down and do something about the personal nature of the post from your mate Frank? Can't see that it was that personal. You called him the "King of pointless arguments" earlier and referenced his job. You two have been asked nicely many times to either get on or ignore each other. I'm not babysitting the pair of you. |
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Mar 10, 2021 15:01:45 GMT
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 10, 2021 15:01:45 GMT
Why don't you get off your deckchair, put the popcorn down and do something about the personal nature of the post from your mate Frank? Can't see that it was that personal. You called him the "King of pointless arguments" earlier and referenced his job. You two have been asked nicely many times to either get on or ignore each other. I'm not babysitting the pair of you. No I didn't |
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Mar 10, 2021 16:21:09 GMT
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Mar 10, 2021 16:21:09 GMT
Just out of interest - do you support the way big business is seemingly allowed to influence sovereign nations in such a way? Is striving for a more equal and fair system that is not held to ransom by unethical companies not a worthwhile cause? Is a better way not possible? There probably is, but governments aren't staffed by intelligent people who know how to negotiate with big businesses, and probably never will be. Its a nice idea though, the big businesses will always hold all the cards Actually, it doesnt hold all the cards with the Village Idiot Boris and his gang of Brexit morons Didnt Boris say F*** Business? |
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Mar 10, 2021 16:44:48 GMT
Post by Si on Mar 10, 2021 16:44:48 GMT
Can't see that it was that personal. You called him the "King of pointless arguments" earlier and referenced his job. You two have been asked nicely many times to either get on or ignore each other. I'm not babysitting the pair of you. No I didn't I think the king of pointless arguments was posted by someone else, but you have referenced his job on another thread (as below). Perhaps if you don't mention his job, he doesn't mention your job, nobody mentions jobs, and we'll all get on happily ever after. I trust you'll be handing your notice in at the countess soon anyway, to go and devote your working life to the welsh NHS, which is clearly far superior. |
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